Brexit, Grexit, Scoxit? Plus, FT says UK’s Cameron needs to hold EU referendum sooner than later

David Cameron (Official UK photo)

Europe is concerned about all kinds of possible exits from the status quo after the recent election in the UK as well as because of maters related to Greece:

11 May 2015

Prime Minister David Cameron is under pressure from Conservative backbenchers to timetable a referendum on Britain’s membership of the European Union.

Cameron, whose party secured a narrow majority in last Thursday’s general election, is expected to introduce legislation for an in/out referendum on the EU within the first 100 days of this parliament.

It is widely suggested the prime minister will use a plebiscite on EU membership as a bargaining chip to wrestle power back from Brussels.

Cameron has pledged to reform Britain’s role in the EU to curb benefits migration and limit freedom of movement within the bloc.

The prime minister is already facing calls for a referendum from a vocal anti-EU faction within his party.

Conservative MP John Redwood told reporters Cameron must win concessions from Brussels to avoid a Brexit.

“The British people will leave the EU unless there is a sensible offer on the table,” he said. …

According to a recent opinion poll by YouGov, 45 percent of people in Britain want to stay in the EU, while 35 percent would vote to leave.

Another 4 percent said they would not vote and 16 percent were undecided. http://rt.com/uk/257477-britain-eu-cameron-exit/

May 11, 2015

David Cameron’s outright victory in Britain’s general election gives him the chance of a fresh start in Downing Street. On no matter should he grasp that opportunity more firmly than the UK’s relations with Europe. Britain will hold an in-out referendum on its EU membership by the end of 2017 and the outcome of the poll cannot be predicted with certainty. The prime minister and his European partners therefore need to focus urgently on what it will take to keep the UK inside the bloc. Throughout the past five years, Mr Cameron’s relations with his European counterparts have been fraught. …

With the EU already straining under the threat of Greece’s exit from the eurozone, the bloc cannot afford a crisis over Brexit as well.

On Europe, Mr Cameron needs to take two decisions quickly. First, he must decide the timing of the referendum. Although it could be put off for up to two and a half years, it should take place as quickly as possible. The credibility of governments fades after they reach midterm; and the longer the EU vote is delayed, the more the issue will unsettle Britain’s economic outlook. Mr Cameron should aim to have the renegotiation completed by Christmas with a referendum, if possible, taking place in the autumn of 2016. The second issue is what Mr Cameron will ask for in terms of EU reform. While he has hitherto been vague on the matter, he can make justifiable demands in some areas. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5c7b911c-f7ce-11e4-9beb-00144feab7de.html#ixzz3ZrRD7Emt

May 11, 2015
Leading German magazine Der Spiegel wrote that the Prime Minister’s re-election was “bad news”.

“A referendum on Europe is now certain and it will be fatal for Europe,” a comment piece said. …

In France, the left-leaning Liberation said the election had turned the British political landscape “topsy turvy” as Mr Cameron is confronted with the “chilling prospect of his country shattering”.It added: “The crushing victory of the Conservatives, combined with the fiasco of an opposition that has been decapitated, has for the moment, confirmed the Prime Minister as above any threat.” http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-results-world-worried-about-possible-brexit-from-eu-after-tory-victory-10241123.html

May 11, 2015

The business view is clear – Britain needs to be in the EU. Yes, reform would be good and we must articulate what that reform is. The hope must be for a quick “renegotiation” – not of British terms but of the EU itself, followed by a referendum as soon as possible.The higher the perceived chance of Britain leaving the EU, the more damage there will be to investment in Britain. The chance of a good outcome will be enhanced if Britain adopts a more constructive approach to its membership of the EU rather than the confrontational approach of the past. Hopefully, the post-election period will allow this, but David Cameron’s small majority will give Eurosceptics in the parliamentary party plenty of scope.

And nationally, a United Kingdom with Scotland entirely controlled by a party dedicated to breaking up the country looks uncomfortable. That is a real challenge for the politicians.

The threats of “Brexit” and “Scoxit” are not helpful to business, which needs a reasonably stable political environment in which to work. They need to be tackled and resolved. That is the task for the new government and indeed all the political parties. http://www.cityam.com/215441/twin-threats-brexit-and-scoxit-will-mar-good-result-city

The Germans do not want a Grexit, which for this purpose, normally means Greece pulling out of the Eurozone. It is not currently contemplated that Greece would actually the the European Union. Even if Greece were to have a Grexit it will still be in the European Union. And even if Greece were to leave the European Union, biblically, I believe that it will have to return to it. Greece will support the end-time European Beast power.

As far as the UK goes, it never adopted the Euro. The term Brexit means that British exit from the European Union. Germany does not want that at this time, but many in the UK do. Germany and others are concerned about this. Irrespective of what current polls indicate, circumstances can change and those in the UK may vote to leave the EU.

This, then, would cause issues for Scotland. Although Scottish independence lost the in a vote last year (see Scotland stays, UK pays–but division will still come), many feel that the gains by the Scottish National Party (SNP) in last week’s election mean that this issue is not closed. The increase in the SNP suggests that more in Scotland may be having second thoughts about that. But the way I understood it before, the SNP wants the UK in the EU so that if it leaves the UK, Scotland will still be in the EU.

Irrespective of Scottish National Party intentions, I want to mention that I do believe that the lands of the United Kingdom will ultimately be divided.

The Bible shows that before he died, Jacob (also known as Israel) stated that he wanted the descendants of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) to be named after him (Genesis 48:16). Therefore, Bible readers need to be aware that many of the scriptures that involve end time prophecies and “Israel” are directed towards the descendants of Joseph. In modern times, these descendants are the major ethnic group in the USA, Canada, Australia, UK (including territories such Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands), and New Zealand. More details on this are in the article Anglo – America in Prophecy & the Lost Tribes of Israel for those who wish to research this further.

Many verses in the Bible show that those who represent end time Israel will have their lands divided and peoples scattered.

Although many do not accept that the USA and its Anglo-Saxon allies are descended from Joseph, all should still find the following end time scripture provides compelling evidence that the the USA, at least, will have its lands divided by the final King of the North:

39 Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain (Daniel 11:39, NKJV except as otherwise specified).

The “he” in the Daniel 11:39 is the final end time King of the North; the final Beast of Revelation 13. Notice that he goes against the “strongest fortresses.”

Who could have the “strongest fortresses”?

At this time, the strongest fortresses in the world belong to the USA and, to a much lessor degree (except as they align with the USA), its Anglo-Saxon allies including the United Kingdom.

Other verses of the Bible also show the land being divided:

16 The anger of the LORD hath divided them; he will no more regard them (Lamentations 4:16, KJV).

2 And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land. They have also cast lots for my people…(Joel 3:2-3, NKJV).

17… Your land shall be divided by survey line; You shall die in a defiled land; And Israel shall surely be led away captive From his own land (Amos 7:17, NKJV)

I used the KJV for Lamentations 4:16 as it correctly translated the Hebrew word as divided. The is term translated as “scattered them” by the NKJV in Lamentations, but it is the same Hebrew word (Strong’s 2505) used in Daniel 11:39 translated as “divide.”

It is also the same Hebrew word used in Ezekiel 5:1 where the hair (apparently representing the U.S.A., etc.) is divided and then will “scatter to the wind”–hence indicating that the people that survive will end up in many lands (and not in a good way):

1 “And you, son of man, take a sharp sword, take it as a barber’s razor, and pass it over your head and your beard; then take scales to weigh and divide the hair. 2 You shall burn with fire one-third in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are finished; then you shall take one-third and strike around it with the sword, and one-third you shall scatter in the wind: I will draw out a sword after them…12 One-third of you shall die of the pestilence, and be consumed with famine in your midst; and one-third shall fall by the sword all around you; and I will scatter another third to all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them…8 Yet I will leave a remnant, so that you may have some who escape the sword among the nations, when you are scattered through the countries. (Ezekiel 5:1-2,12; 6:8).

13 “Behold, therefore, I beat My fists at the dishonest profit which you have made, and at the bloodshed which has been in your midst. 14 Can your heart endure, or can your hands remain strong, in the days when I shall deal with you? I, the Lord, have spoken, and will do it. 15 I will scatter you among the nations, disperse you throughout the countries, and remove your filthiness completely from you. (Ezekiel 22:13-15)

By having massive debt that they will not pay back, the peoples of the USA and UK make a “dishonest profit” and they will be scattered among nations and countries–via “all the winds.” Following “all the winds” means that not all will end up in the same place.

Notice also why:

10 “And it shall be, when you show this people all these words, and they say to you, ‘Why has the Lord pronounced all this great disaster against us? Or what is our iniquity? Or what is our sin that we have committed against the Lord our God?’ 11 then you shall say to them, ‘Because your fathers have forsaken Me,’ says the Lord; ‘they have walked after other gods and have served them and worshiped them, and have forsaken Me and not kept My law. 12 And you have done worse than your fathers, for behold, each one follows the dictates of his own evil heart, so that no one listens to Me. 13 Therefore I will cast you out of this land into a land that you do not know, neither you nor your fathers; and there you shall serve other gods day and night, where I will not show you favor.’ (Jeremiah 16:10-13)

47 “Because you did not serve the LORD your God with joy and gladness of heart, for the abundance of everything, 48 therefore you shall serve your enemies, whom the LORD will send against you, in hunger, in thirst, in nakedness, and in need of everything; and He will put a yoke of iron on your neck until He has destroyed you. 49 The LORD will bring a nation against you from afar, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flies, a nation whose language you will not understand, 50 a nation of fierce countenance, which does not respect the elderly nor show favor to the young. 51 And they shall eat the increase of your livestock and the produce of your land, until you are destroyed; they shall not leave you grain or new wine or oil, or the increase of your cattle or the offspring of your flocks, until they have destroyed you. 52 They shall besiege you at all your gates until your high and fortified walls, in which you trust, come down throughout all your land; and they shall besiege you at all your gates throughout all your land which the LORD your God has given you (Deuteronomy 28:47-52).

Notice that gates, including likely sea-gates, will be lost to an enemy (see also Will the UK Lose Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands?).

There are also some old Catholic writings that teach that the United Kingdom will be divided into three pieces:

Mother Shipton (d. 1551) “The time will come when England shall tremble and quake…London shall be destroyed forever after . . . and then York shall be London and the Kingdom governed by three Lords appointed by a Royal Great monarch…who will set England right and drive out heresy (Culleton, R. Gerald. The Prophets and Our Times. Nihil Obstat: L. Arvin. Imprimatur: Philip G. Scher, Bishop of Monterey-Fresno, November 15, 1941. Reprint 1974, TAN Books, Rockford (IL), p. 163).

Saint Cataldus of Tarentino (c. 500): “The Great Monarch will be in war till he is forty years of age….he will assemble great armies and expel tyrants from his empire. He will conquer England and other island empires” (Connor E. Prophecy for Today. Imprimatur + A.J. Willinger, Bishop of Monterey-Fresno; Reprint: Tan Books and Publishers, Rockford (IL), 1984, p.30).

Hence, at least one Catholic prophecy shows that the United Kingdom will be divided up (among Europe) and another that the English shall be conquered. Notice that they are to be taken over by a “Great Monarch” (who seems to be the same person as the King of the North of the Bible)–a European power.

The Bible itself does not say how many pieces the UK, USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand may be divided into by various enemies (though perhaps for Australia and New Zealand they may only end up with one foreign oppressor over each of those lands). The division will come from military conquest–something most do not wish to think about, but something that will happen according to biblical prophecy.

National repentance is the only hope for people in those lands. Although that is not likely, personal repentance still is an option.

Furthermore, let me remind everyone that the Bible shows that Europe itself will change (Revelation 13; 17:12, 13, & 15-18). It Europe will have at least three reorganizations (see also Must the Ten Kings of Revelation 17:12 Rule over Ten Currently Existing Nations?) and that ultimately trouble will come to the UK (e.f. Jeremiah 30:7).

So, while there are concerns about exits like Brexit, Scoxit, and Grexit, the biblical reality is that change will come to the UK and to Europe. And much of that change will not be good.

Some items of related interest may include:

British are the Covenant People What do ‘British’ and ‘Britain’ mean in Hebrew? Are the descendants of the Anglo-Saxons people of the covenant? Does the British royal family connect to the throne of David? What does the Bible teach? What does history show us? Is there any DNA evidence related to British-Israelism? When did Christianity make it to the British Isles? Could Jeremiah have made it to the British Isles? What type of Christians made it to the British Isles? Did the last King of England believe in British Israelism?
Europa, the Beast, and Revelation Where did Europe get its name? What might Europe have to do with the Book of Revelation? What about “the Beast”? Is an emerging European power “the daughter of Babylon”? What is ahead for Europe? Here is a link to a video titled: Can You Prove that the Beast to Come is European?
European Technology and the Beast of Revelation Will the coming European Beast power would use and develop technology that will result in the taking over of the USA and its Anglo-Saxon allies? Is this possible? What does the Bible teach? Here is a related YouTube video: Military Technology and the Beast of Revelation.
Must the Ten Kings of Revelation 17:12 Rule over Ten Currently Existing Nations? Some claim that these passages refer to a gathering of 10 currently existing nations together, while one group teaches that this is referring to 11 nations getting together. Is that what Revelation 17:12-13 refers to? The ramifications of misunderstanding this are enormous.
Just What Do You Mean — Repentance? Do you know what repentance is? Have you truly repented? Repented of what? Herbert W. Armstrong wrote this as a booklet on this important subject.
When You Sin: Do You Really Repent? This is an article by Charles F. Hunting. A related sermon is Confess to God and truly repent.
Catholic Prophecies: Do They Mirror, Highlight, or Contradict Biblical Prophecies? People of all faiths may be surprised to see what various Roman and Orthodox Catholic prophets have been predicting as many of their predictions will be looked to in the 21st century.
Anglo – America in Prophecy & the Lost Tribes of Israel Are the Americans, Canadians, English, Scottish, Welsh, Australians, Anglo-Saxon (non-Dutch) Southern Africans, and New Zealanders descendants of Joseph? Where are the lost ten-tribes of Israel? Who are the lost tribes of Israel? What will happen to Jerusalem and the Jews in Israel? Will God punish the U.S.A., Canada, United Kingdom, and other Anglo-Saxon nations? Why might God allow them to be punished first? Here is a link to the Spanish version of this article: Anglo-América & las Tribus Perdidas de Israel. A video of possible interest may be Will Will USA Spying Help the Beast Power?.
Will the Anglo-Saxon Nations be Divided and Have People Taken as Slaves? Will the lands of the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand be divided? What about Jerusalem? What does Bible prophecy teach? Are there non-biblical prophecies that support this idea? Who will divide those lands? Who will end up with the lands and the people? Here is a link to a video titled Will the USA and other Anglo-nations be Divided and Their People Made Slaves? Here is a related item in the Spanish language ¿Serán divididas las naciones anglosajonas?