Greg Laurie on nuclear conflict between the USA and North Korea


A reader tipped me off to the following:

End of the world prophecy: Pastor says Bible HINTS at devastating US-North Korea nuke war

Express, UK – May 16, 2017

Pastor Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Riverside, California says analysis of the escalating tensions between and the suggests a nuclear war between the two superpowers fits into the End Times prophecy in the Bible.

The pastor says the US and North Korea are absent from the Book of Revelation implying the two nations will be decimated before the apocalypse strikes.

Pastor Laurie said: “Here is what concerns me. We do not find the reigning superpower on the face of the Earth anywhere in the Last Days scenario. Other nations emerge.

“So where is America? I pray we are not out of the picture, because we have been in some kind of nuclear conflict.” The pastor adds Iran, which is mentioned in the End Times, could acquire nuclear weapons from North Korea.

He said: “In the Last Days there is no mention of any nation that would resemble North Korea however the Bible does speak of Iran in the End Times scenario.

“You might be surprised to know there is an alignment of sorts between North Korea and Iran.

“In fact, former ambassador the United Nations John Bolton recently said if North Korea developed a delivery system for nuclear weapon Iran would have it the next day simply by writing a cheque.”

Greg Laurie runs a megachurch in California with about 15,000 members.

While I agree that the USA will have problems, I disagree with the view that North Korea is fully absent from the Book of Revelation or the “In the Last Days there is no mention of any nation that would resemble North Korea.” Certain end-time prophecies seem to include North Korea:

50:41 “Behold, a people shall come from the north,
And a great nation and many kings
Shall be raised up from the ends of the earth.
42 They shall hold the bow and the lance;
They are cruel and shall not show mercy.
Their voice shall roar like the sea;
They shall ride on horses,
Set in array, like a man for the battle,
Against you, O daughter of Babylon. (Jeremiah 50:41-42).

12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. (Revelation 16:12)

North Korea is on the eastern ‘end of the earth.” Apparently, Greg Laurie does not consider these scriptures could possibly include North Korean–COGwriter disagrees (see also Korea in Prophecy, Any Witness?). While we could possibly see a nuclear conflict between the USA and North Korea, this would not eliminate the USA.

As far as the USA goes, this is not the first time Greg Laurie has made some comments about it and the Bible:

Bible prophecy related to the end times mentions many nations, including Libya, Iran, Iraq Ethiopia, and possibly even China and Russia, but not the United States of America. In an article on his blog, Pastor Greg Laurie gives three plausible reasons for the nation’s exclusion.

“Where is the United States? Why are we not in the last-days scenario?” asks Laurie, pastor of Harvest Church in Riverside, Calif.

One reason why the United States is not mentioned in Scripture is perhaps because the nation “might be devastated by a nuclear war,” the pastor writes. “It is a horrible scenario and one that none of us would want to see, but we cannot rule it out as a possibility.”…

A second possible reason could be that the U.S. might decline as a world power, Laurie says, quoting Proverbs 14:34, which reads, “Godliness makes a nation great, but sin is a disgrace to any people.”

“As our country becomes more and more secular, systematically eliminating God and the Bible from our education system, courts, and the arts, we will begin to reap the inevitable results of sin. We will begin to rot from the inside,” the pastor warns…

A third possibility could be that the U.S. will witness a revival, “which I find a lot more hopeful,” Laurie goes on to say. “That is not to say a revival would eliminate us as a world power…”

Let us first understand, the USA is mentioned in last days’ biblical prophecy, but the words describing it are not as direct as say Egypt (Daniel 11:40-43; Ezekiel 30:1-9). The USA is more described, but not named as such, in various places.

In the 21 st century, the USA currently has the strongest military fortresses in the world and if we consider the start of the Great Tribulation to be part of the last days (and I do), then the USA is mentioned. Here are a couple of passages:

39 Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain. (Daniel 11:39)

23 “And in the latter time of their kingdom,
When the transgressors have reached their fullness,
A king shall arise,
Having fierce features,
Who understands sinister schemes.
24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power;
He shall destroy fearfully,
And shall prosper and thrive;
He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people.

25 “Through his cunning
He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule;
And he shall exalt himself in his heart.
He shall destroy many in their prosperity. (Daniel 8:23-25)

The “he” above is the European King of the North (who has not yet arisen), also known as the Beast of the sea in Revelation 13–this is not a reference to North Korea. Those now with the strongest fortresses are the USA and its Anglo-allies, and they will be destroyed in their seeming prosperity (see also USA in Prophecy: The Strongest Fortresses).

Interestingly, getting back to Greg Laurie, his view that the USA would be nuked or similar is consistent with what the late Herbert W. Armstrong wrote back in 1979:

What is this abomination? This refers to Daniel 11:31 and Matthew 24:15…That will be a time when the UNITED Europe shall appear–the revival of the medieval “Holy Roman Empire.” We shall then be warned, and readied to be taken to a place of refuge and safety from the Great Tribulation. Forty-five days later “the beasts armies” will surround Jerusalem. Thirty days later the Great Tribulation will probably start with a nuclear attack on London and Britain–and possibly the same day or immediately after, on the United States and Canadian cities. The GREAT TRIBULATION, we shall fully then realize, is the time of “Jacob’s Trouble,” spoken of in Jeremiah 30:7. And Jacob’s name was named on Joseph’s sons, Ephraim and Manasseh (Gen. 48:16). At that time a third of the people in our nations will die, or shall have died, by famine and disease epidemics; another third will dies of the war–our cities being destroyed (Ezek. 6:6), and the remaining third will be carried to the land of our enemies as slaves (Ezek. 5:12). Armstrong HW. The Time We Are In, Now. Pastor General’s Report-Vol 1, No. 15, November 20, 1979, Page 2).

Yet, unlike Greg Laurie, Herbert Armstrong correctly tied this devastation in with the end time event of the start of the Great Tribulation (part of the reason is that most outside the COG do not understand the biblical tie to Jacob for the USA–see also Anglo – America in Prophecy). Devastation, possibly including nuclear weapons or something worse, is what will be a major sign that the Great Tribulation will begin.

Secondly, there is no doubt about the moral decline in the USA. From sexual immorality to abortion to exporting pornography to massive surveillance the USA is not doing right.

Without national repentance, which seems unlikely, the USA is doomed. The USA, and the rest of the world, needs the return of Jesus Christ and the establishment of the Kingdom of God.

As far as the USA goes, also the following from a theologian who commented about Greg Laurie’s USA/North Korea comments:

Dr Samuel Lamerson, professor of the New Testament and president of Florida’s Knox Theological Seminary told The Christian Post Pastor Laurie has no reason to panic.

He said: “I don’t see any reason to despair because one cannot find the US in the book of Revelation.

“Biblical prophecy is often very difficult to understand. In many cases one needs the fulfilment in order to understand the prophecy.

“One should never think that biblical prophecy is a sort of ‘fortune telling machine’ to let us know about specific political or social issues.”

While it is true that biblical prophecy is not a sort of “fortune telling machine” that some act like they want it to be, this does not mean that certain political or social issues are not covered by it. Notice a prophecy from the Apostle Paul:

1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! (2 Timothy 3:1-6)

We certainly see the above in various political leaders today. And their actions and inactions will partially lead to the fulfillment of other prophecies.

Although most do not properly understand and/or overlook biblical prophecy and/or do not really believe it, they are missing an important key of knowledge. Christians need to realize:

10 For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Revelation 19:10)

We in the Continuing Church of God “have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts” (2 Peter 1:19, KJV).

The USA itself is mentioned in Bible prophecy around the time of the end, and much of what is warned about show that it (along with its Anglo-Saxon descended allies) will essentially be eliminated and many of its people made slaves. So, while I agree with Greg Laurie that the USA has moral decline and may be subject to nuclear devastation (or something similar or worse), I do believe that this is foretold in scripture.

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