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\nColosseum of Rome (Photo by Joyce Thiel)<\/p>\n
\nColosseum of Rome (Photo by Joyce Thiel)<\/p>\n
COGwriter<\/a><\/p>\n Ran across the following on a Catholic website today:<\/p>\n Founded by Christ, propagated by His apostles, from Jerusalem through Asia Minor to Rome as its permanent world center, from which it spread throughout the world according to the mandate of its Divine Founder:<\/p>\n Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28).\u00a0 (Catholic Church.\u00a0 Star Quest Production Network, Priest Roderick Vonh\u00f6gen\u00a0– Chief Executive Officer. http:\/\/saints.sqpn.com\/catholic-church\/)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n Now, it is absolutely certain that the Church founded by Jesus began in Jerusalem as Acts 1 and 2 show.\u00a0 It is also absolutely certain that the apostles went from Jerusalem via Antioch to Asia Minor.\u00a0 And while it is true that the Apostle Paul went to Rome, there was no type of mandate that Rome would be its “permanent world center.”<\/p>\n Notice what Jesus taught in Matthew and Paul taught in Hebrews using the Rheims New Testament<\/em> and the New Jerusalem Bible<\/em> (both are approved Catholic versions\/translations of the Bible):<\/p>\n 22\u2026and you shall be odious to all men for my name, but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved. 23 And when they shall persecute you in this city, flee into another (Matthew 10:22-23, RNT).<\/p>\n 22<\/sup> You will be universally hated on account of my name; but anyone who stands firm to the end will be saved.\u00a0 23<\/sup> If they persecute you in one town, take refuge in the next; and if they persecute you in that, take refuge in another. In truth I tell you, you will not have gone the round of the towns of Israel before the Son of man comes. (Matthew 10:22-23, NJB)<\/p>\n 14 For we have not here a permanent city<\/strong>: but we seek that which is to come (Hebrews 13:14, RNT).<\/p>\n 14 There is no permanent city for us here<\/strong>; we are looking for the one which is yet to be. (Hebrews 13:14, NJB).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Thus, to claim that a city such as Rome could possibly be the “Eternal City” for Christians is to go against scripture as even Catholic renderings of scripture effectively prove that no single city, including Rome, could have remained the headquarters of Christendom for nearly 2000 years, if people are willing to actually believe what is written in the Bible.<\/p>\n Furthermore, it should be mentioned if there was to be one city from the beginning to the end, it likely would have had to be Jerusalem (cf. Revelation 21:2) as the Christian church began there (Acts 2) according to Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox<\/a>, and Church of God scholars.<\/p>\n What about the claim that the Church of God in Rome was originally founded by Peter and Paul (which is what Irenaeus falsely suggested in the late second century)?\u00a0\u00a0 Notice this comment from a Catholic priest and scholar about Irenaeus<\/a>, Peter<\/a>, Paul<\/a>, and Rome<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n Irenaeus focuses on the church of Rome which he describes as “greatest, most ancient and known to all, founded and established by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul.” Here we must acknowledge a bit of rhetoric, as the church of Rome<\/strong> was obviously not so ancient as those of Jerusalem or Antioch, nor was it actually founded by Peter or Paul<\/strong> (Sullivan F.A. From Apostles to Bishops: the development of the episcopacy in the early church. Newman Press, Mahwah (NJ), 2001, p. 147).<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n The Catholic Encyclopedia<\/em> also agrees with F.A. Sullivan here (and not Irenaeus) as it states this about Paul’s epistle to the Romans:<\/span><\/p>\n Paul would have worded his Epistle otherwise, if the community addressed were even mediately indebted to his apostolate (Merk A. Transcribed by W.G. Kofron. Epistle to the Romans. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XIII. Copyright \u00a9 1912 by Robert Appleton Company. Online Edition Copyright \u00a9 2003 by K. Knight. Nihil Obstat, February 1, 1912. Remy Lafort, D.D., Censor Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York).<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n Furthermore, the Bible clearly agrees with The Catholic Encyclopedia, <\/em> and F.A. Sullivan here. The Bible shows that Paul did not start the Church in Rome–thus the apostolic tradition that Irenaeus relied on is a fraudulent one–as it is not true–it is a myth. For here is what Paul wrote to the church at Rome:<\/span><\/p>\n 20. And I have so preached this Gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build There is no way that Paul could have written the above if he considered that he founded or co-founded the church in Rome as in these verses he explains that he did not first come to Rome lest he build on another man’s foundation. (Note: I choose to use the Rheims New Testament of 1582<\/em> A.D. as this is considered to the Catholic standard English translation of the New Testament).<\/span><\/p>\n Catholic scholar F.A. Sullivan also further agrees, as he wrote:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n …it doesn’t appear that Paul ever appointed any one person as “resident bishop” over any of his churches…(Sullivan F.A. From Apostles to Bishops: the development of the episcopacy in the early church. Newman Press, Mahwah (NJ), 2001, p. 35).<\/span><\/p>\n Admittedly the Catholic position, that bishops are the successors of the apostles by divine institution, remains far from easy to establish…The first problem has to do with the notion that Christ ordained apostles as bishops…The apostles were missionaries and founders of churches; there is no evidence, nor is it at all likely, that any one of them ever took up permanent residence in a particular church as its bishop<\/strong>…The letter of the Romans to the Corinthians, known as I Clement, which dates to about the year 96, provides good evidence that about 30 years after the death of St. Paul the church of Corinth was being led by a group of presbyters, with no indication of a bishop with authority over the whole local church…Most scholars are of the opinion that the church of Rome would most probably have also been led at that time by a group of presbyters…There exists a broad consensus among scholars, including most Catholic ones, that such churches as Alexandria, Philippi, Corinth and Rome most probably continued to be led for some time by a college of presbyters<\/strong>, and that only in the second century did the threefold structure of become generally the rule, with a bishop, assisted by presbyters, presiding over each local church (Sullivan F.A. From Apostles to Bishops: the development of the episcopacy in the early church. Newman Press, Mahwah (NJ), 2001, pp. 13,14,15).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n And that is certainly correct concerning Rome. There were no “bishops of Rome” in the first century and certain Roman Catholic scholars understand this,<\/span> hence the idea that there is an unbroken line of bishops in apostolic succession from Rome and Rome being the “permanent world center” for the true Church is false (more information can be found in the article Apostolic Succession<\/a>).<\/span><\/p>\n And as far as the getting the gospel out to the world as a witness, the true church was not limited to Asia Minor. True churches were spread throughout many lands, such as northern Italy, France, Britain, Scotland, Ireland, Antioch, and elsewhere.<\/p>\n And where did those churches come from? Well, logically, they not come from Rome, but from the Smyrnaeans (the prior Church era) in Asia Minor and Palestine. According to A.N. Dugger, Dr. T.V. Moore noted:<\/p>\n “The type of Christianity which first was favored, then raised to leadership by Constantine was that of the Roman Papacy. But this was not the type of Christianity that first penetrated Syria, northern Italy, southern France, and Great Britain. The ancient records of the first believers in Christ in those parts, disclose a Christianity which is not Roman but apostolic. These lands were first penetrated by missionaries, not from Rome, but from Palestine and Asia Minor. And the Greek New Testament, the Received Text, they brought with them, or its translation, was of the type from which the Protestant Bibles, as the King James in the English, and the Lutheran in German, were translated.” — Dr. T. V. Moore, The Culdee Church, chapters 3 and 4, and Wilkinson, Our Authorized Bible Vindicated, pp. 25, 26 <\/em>(As cited in Dugger AN, Dodd CO. A History of True Religion, 3rd ed. Jerusalem, 1972 (Church of God, 7th Day). 1990 reprint, pp. 90-91).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n So, it was Asia Minor, and not Rome that was the main location of the true Church of God in the first and second centuries, and even into the third century.\u00a0 And while a confederation involving Rome rose up in the second through fourth centuries, it ended up changing doctrines and not holding to original Christianity in many ways.<\/p>\n Most people, Catholic or otherwise, simply do not know enough about the real truth about early church history.\u00a0 But they can if they are willing to look at the truth of what really happened.<\/p>\n Some articles documenting these and other items of possibly related interest include the following:<\/em><\/p>\n What Do Roman Catholic Scholars Actually Teach About Early Church History?<\/a> Although most believe that the Roman Catholic Church history teaches an unbroken line of succession of bishops beginning with Peter, with stories about most of them, Roman Catholic scholars know the truth of this matter. This eye-opening article is a must-read for any who really wants to know what Roman Catholic history actually admits about the early church. Colosseum of Rome (Photo by Joyce Thiel) COGwriter Ran across the following on a Catholic website today: Catholic Church Founded by Christ, propagated by His apostles, from Jerusalem through Asia Minor to Rome as its permanent world center, from which it spread throughout the world according to the mandate of its Divine Founder: Going therefore, […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-14409","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-church-history"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n
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\n21. But as it is written, They to whom it hath not been preached of him, shall see: and they
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\n22. For the which cause also I was hindered very much from coming unto you (Romans 15:20-22, Rheims NT of 1582). <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n
\nWhich Is Faithful: The Roman Catholic Church or the Genuine Church of God?<\/a> Do you know that both groups shared a lot of the earliest teachings? Do you know which church changed? Do you know which group is most faithful to the teachings of the apostolic church? Which group best represents true Christianity? This documented article answers those questions. Portugu\u00eas: Qual \u00e9 fiel: A igreja cat\u00f3lica romana ou a verdadeira igreja do deus?<\/a> Tambien Espa\u00f1ol: \u00bfQue es fiel: La Iglesia Cat\u00f3lica Romana o la Iglesia verdadera de Dios?<\/a> Auch: Deutsch: Welches ist treu: Die r\u00f6misch-katholische Kirche oder die Kirche Gottes Original?<\/a>
\nNazarene Christianity: Were the Original Christians Nazarenes?<\/a> Should Christians be Nazarenes today? What were the practices of the Nazarenes.
\nLocation of the Early Church: Another Look at Ephesus, Smyrna, and Rome<\/a> What actually happened to the primitive Church? And did the Bible tell about this in advance?
\nThe Ephesus Church Era<\/a> was predominant from 31 A.D. to circa 135 A.D. The Church of James, Peter, Paul, and John, etc.
\nThe Smyrna Church Era<\/a> was predominant circa 135 A.D. to circa 450 A.D. The Church led by Polycarp, Melito, Polycrates, etc.
\nWas Peter the Rock Who Alone Received the Keys of the Kingdom?<\/a> How should Matthew 16:18-19 be understood?
\nThe Apostle Peter<\/a> He was an original apostle and early Christian leader. Where was Peter buried? Where did Peter die?
\nThe Apostle Paul<\/a> He was a later apostle, but also an early Christian leader.
\nThe Apostle John<\/a> He was an original apostle, early Christian leader, and the last of the original apostles to die.
\nApostolic Succession<\/a> What really happened? Did structure and beliefs change? Are many of the widely-held current understandings of this even possible? Did you know that Catholic scholars really do not believe that several of the claimed “apostolic sees” of the Orthodox have apostolic succession–despite the fact that the current pontiff himself seems to wish to ignore this view? Is there actually a true church that has ties to any of the apostles that is not part of the Catholic or Orthodox churches? Read this article if you truly are interested in the truth on this matter!
\nEarly Church History: Who Were the Two Major Groups Professed Christ in the Second and Third Centuries?<\/a> Did you know that many in the second and third centuries felt that there were two major, and separate, professing Christian groups in the second century, but that those in the majority churches tend to now blend the groups together and claim “saints” from both? “Saints” that condemn some of their current beliefs. Who are the two groups?
\nThe History of Early Christianity<\/a> Are you aware that what most people believe is not what truly happened to the true Christian church? Do you know where the early church was based? Do you know what were the doctrines of the early church? Is your faith really based upon the truth or compromise?<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"