{"id":5692,"date":"2010-12-16T08:36:33","date_gmt":"2010-12-16T16:36:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/?p=5692"},"modified":"2010-12-16T08:04:31","modified_gmt":"2010-12-16T16:04:31","slug":"ucg-crisis-appears-to-be-growing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/cog-news\/ucg-crisis-appears-to-be-growing\/","title":{"rendered":"UCG Crisis Appears to be Growing"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/556.gif\" alt=\"Laodicea\" width=\"307\" height=\"230\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Ancient Laodicea has many ineffective structures<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/cogwriter.htm\">COGwriter<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The situation related to the UCG crisis seems to be affecting more and more who were once parts of that organization. Today, UCG&#8217;s John Carmack (and he may not be part of UCG too much longer if I am understanding the ramifications of his recent posts), posted the following:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>On the Facebook UCG United We Stand discussion board is a page for \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/topic.php?uid=117871298235420&amp;topic=959&amp;post=12206\">I Support the Letter<\/a>\u201d.\u00a0  This signature page is to show support for the letter that the elders  who signed the Open Letter to Dennis Luker.\u00a0 Granted, it is informal,  but it is very symbolic.\u00a0 It only had about 225 last night, and as of  this morning is about 420!<\/p>\n<p>If you are on Facebook, a  member (or recent ex-member) of UCG and if you support the Open Letter,  this might be your last chance to have your voice heard, seeing as the  current administration is more concerned about squashing dissent rather  than investigating core issues.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This indicates, to me at least, that the crisis that UCG is facing is escalating.\u00a0 And John Carmack keeps having issues with UCG.<\/p>\n<p>Notice that in a post yesterday, John Carmack wrote:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Frankly, there are many things that turn me off about the current UCG  leadership.\u00a0 However, the overarching concern I have is they and their  supporters have not shown a great deal of integrity.\u00a0 Unfortunately,  that includes doctrinal integrity as well.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And a day earlier (Tuesday) John Carmack posted:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Basically, the current UCG leadership has opted to slander,  ridicule and denigrate its opposition while claiming that is what is  being done to them.\u00a0 It finally comes out that it has been a bunch of  lies the current leadership has been spewing from the beginning of  gaining a foothold within the COE.\u00a0 While none of the old guard are  perfect examples of righteousness, like the rest of us, it does show  they have made a good faith effort to work within UCG to turn events  around, while the COE has given them the cold shoulder.<\/p>\n<p>When  Dennis Luker says it is about \u201cpower and control\u201d, he is right, you  know.\u00a0 It is all about the current leadership exerting its power and  control and killing off any dissent.\u00a0 It is obvious that they are not  interested in reconciliation.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>He is entitled to his opinions.\u00a0 And he and I do not always agree or disagree.\u00a0 Our relationship tends to be cordial.\u00a0 At the &#8220;Abigail Cartwright&#8221; site, there are various other reports from those who are questioning UCG and its Council of Elders (COE).<\/p>\n<p>Now, as I indicated before, I am not taking sides on this crisis as I do not believe that UCG, IAO, or some of the other alternatives I have read that some part of UCG are considering (like being independent) is the best choice for any who hope to be Philadelphian.\u00a0 But I will add that I did speak with a member of UCG&#8217;s Council of Elders a few days ago and he is convinced that certain of the leaders of those who have broken away from UCG have their own problems with integrity, so he is surprised that any would be supporting them over UCG&#8217;s current organization.\u00a0 He believes that the COE has made attempts at reconciliation and he has resented the statements from others who said that COE did not make any attempts to reconcile with Latin America.<\/p>\n<p>As far as I am concerned, the bottom line continues to be that the <a href=\"\/ylcg.htm\">Living Church of God<\/a> (LCG) has a governance structure and set of priorities more closely related to those that Jesus would support.  Those who ridicule hierarchical governance through improper examples seem to forget that God expects people to follow leaders as they follow Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1; Acts 5:29).  And that is what we in LCG try to do, as should all Christians.\u00a0  Recall that in Revelation 3 the Laodiceans are condemned by Jesus for having an approach to the work that differs from that of the Philadelphians&#8211;people need to look at all relevant scriptures on that as well as proper biblical governance.<\/p>\n<p>Any interested in supporting the remnant of the Philadelphia era of the COG should prayerfully check out LCG.\u00a0 Now, I have received some emails critical of the fact that I believe that those in UCG or having problems with UCG should consider looking at LCG.\u00a0 This strikes me as odd as I think most people who visit the COGwriter website know that I am a supporter of LCG and have always felt that UCG&#8217;s form of governance and priorities were not Philadelphian and that those associated with UCG should consider LCG.\u00a0 I strongly believe that the current crisis in UCG is a wakeup call for those that delayed doing this in the past.<\/p>\n<p>Those not interested in LCG will either remain part of UCG (or where ever  they are), go with one of the former UCG break-away ministers\/groups, go  somewhere else, or drop out.  God will hold all accountable for what  they do and do not do.<\/p>\n<p>And yes, that includes me.<\/p>\n<p>But to basically the best of my ability, I believe that I have provided accurate coverage of various aspects of UCG&#8217;s crises this year and have repeatedly pointed out that UCG&#8217;s chosen form of governance held some responsibility for the crisis that UCG now finds itself.<\/p>\n<p>Others will have their own opinions, but in the meantime, me and those of us in LCG will continue to try to support the COG that always has been the most effective in proclaiming Christ&#8217;s gospel of the kingdom to the world as a witness in the 21st century (Matthew 24:14).\u00a0 And to me, LCG is that place.\u00a0 And I believe that the facts documented in many of my articles will demonstrate that to any who are Philadelphia remnant Christians.<\/p>\n<p><em>Some articles of possibly related interest may include:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/church_governance.htm\">Polycarp, Herbert W. Armstrong, and Roderick C. Meredith on Church Government<\/a> What form of governance did the early church have? Was it hierarchical?          Which form of governance would one expect to have in the             Philadelphia       remnant? The people decide and\/or committee     forms,         odd dictatorships,  or   the same type that the     Philadelphia era         itself      had?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/vote.htm\">Should a Christian Vote?<\/a> This article gives some of the Biblical rationale on this subject.   Would Jesus vote for president? Is voting in the Bible? This is a  subject Christians need to understand.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/unity.htm\">Unity: Which COG for You?<\/a> Why so many groups? Why is there lack of unity in the Churches of God?         Has it always been this way? What can\/should be done about it?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/ucg.htm\">Differences between the           Living Church of God and United Church of God<\/a> This article    provides          quotes information from the two       largest groups which    had their         origins      in WCG as well as       commentary.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/ylcg.htm\">There are Many COGs: Why        Support the Living Church of God?<\/a> This is an article for those  who          wish to more easily sort out       the different COGs. It really   should   be    a          MUST  READ     for  current and former WCG\/GCI   members or  any         interested        in     supporting the faithful   church. It also    explains a         lot   of  what   the   COGs   are all   about.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/work.htm\">Should the Church Still Try     to Place its Top Priority on Proclaiming the Gospel or Did   Herbert            W.     Armstrong Change that Priority for the Work?<\/a> Some    say   the       Church     should mainly feed the flock now as   that  is   what   Herbert  W.       Armstrong    reportedly said.  Is that    what  he  said?    Is that  what    the    Bible says?   What did <a href=\"\/paul.htm\">Paul<\/a> and <a href=\"\/herbertwarmstrong.htm\">Herbert W. Armstrong<\/a> expect from evangelists?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/laodiceachurch.htm\">The Laodicean  Church Era <\/a>has been predominant circa 1986 A.D. to present. These are non-Philadelphians who mainly descended from the old WCG.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ancient Laodicea has many ineffective structures COGwriter The situation related to the UCG crisis seems to be affecting more and more who were once parts of that organization. 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