{"id":7021,"date":"2011-04-24T06:09:21","date_gmt":"2011-04-24T14:09:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/?p=7021"},"modified":"2011-04-24T06:16:47","modified_gmt":"2011-04-24T14:16:47","slug":"ucg-fights-back","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/cog-news\/ucg-fights-back\/","title":{"rendered":"UCG Fighting Back"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"\/bible.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"283\" \/><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/cogwriter.htm\">COGwriter<\/a><\/p>\n<p>At one of the <a href=\"\/ucg.htm\">United Church of God<\/a> (UCG) official websites, there was a link that had the following:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div>\n<h2>What Really Happened in Latin America \u2013 The Facts \u2013 Part\u00a05<\/h2>\n<p>April 23, 2011 by <a title=\"Posts by shortfriction\" href=\"http:\/\/truthincontext.wordpress.com\/author\/shortfriction\/\">shortfriction<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>This is my sixth post examining arguments presented by ex-members of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ucg.org\/\">United Church of God<\/a> GCE to explain their criticisms of the Council of Elders. The previous posts can be found via the links below:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/truthincontext.wordpress.com\/2011\/01\/29\/ex-gce-members-letter-of-explanation-the-facts\/\">ex-GCE members\u2019 \u201cletter of explanation\u201d \u2013 The Facts<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/truthincontext.wordpress.com\/2011\/01\/28\/what-really-happened-in-latin-america-the-facts-part-1\/\">What Really Happened in Latin America \u2013 The Facts \u2013 Part 1<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/truthincontext.wordpress.com\/2011\/01\/31\/what-really-happened-in-latin-america-%e2%80%93-the-facts-%e2%80%93-part-2\/\">What Really Happened in Latin America \u2013 The Facts \u2013 Part 2<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/truthincontext.wordpress.com\/2011\/02\/16\/what-really-happened-in-latin-america-%e2%80%93-the-facts-%e2%80%93-part-3\/\">What Really Happened in Latin America \u2013 The Facts \u2013 Part 3<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/truthincontext.wordpress.com\/2011\/03\/11\/what-really-happened-in-latin-america-the-facts-part-4\/\">What Really Happened in Latin America \u2013 The Facts \u2013 Part 4<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>I have also posted a critical analysis of one of the UCG documents: <a href=\"http:\/\/truthincontext.wordpress.com\/2011\/02\/04\/background-to-the-situation-with-leon-walker-and-latin-america-the-facts-part-1\/\">Background to the Situation with Leon Walker and Latin America \u2013 The Facts<\/a><\/p>\n<p>My plans have been to provide an in-depth critique of documents  produced by both sides of the controversy that led to the UCG\/COGWA  split. However, this is a far more painful, slow process than I ever  imagined.<\/p>\n<p>This is the fifth of my posts examining the document <a href=\"http:\/\/currentcrisis.yolasite.com\/resources\/WhatReallyHappenedInLatinAmerica.pdf\">What Really Happened in Latin America<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I have tended to not be involved in the details surrounding the claimed causes for the split from UCG, in which most of its Latin American ministry ended up with a new group that formed which called itself <a href=\"\/cogwa.htm\">Church of God a Worldwide Association<\/a> (COGWA).\u00a0 But, I have seen a lot from people in COGWA explaining why they believe there side on the split is right and I knew that UCG had their own side.\u00a0 Yet, in my view, ego and internal focus were big factors.<\/p>\n<p>For most people, the &#8220;dust has settled&#8221; and unless there is a new crisis in UCG or COGWA, it would seem that most will stay where they now are irrespective of efforts by supporters of both sides to attempt to explain why they still feel that they are right.\u00a0 Of course, I really have not seen either side say that the split was really about doing a better job in proclaiming the gospel, but different ones have differing priorities.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\"><strong>Why are You Where You Are?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Irrespective of what happens in or between the various groups, when  was the last time you asked yourself why you affiliate with who you do  (or don&#8217;t in many cases)?<\/p>\n<p>Since the Bible is to be the source of  doctrine (II Timothy 3:16), it is from the Bible that information to help  deciding where one should fellowship can be found.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Perhaps the most fundamental is what Paul wrote:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? (II Corinthians 6:14). <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Jesus similarly taught that, <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Many will say  to Me in that day, &#8216;Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name,  cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?&#8217;          And then I will declare to them, &#8216;I never knew you; depart from  Me, you who practice lawlessness!&#8217;  (Matthew 7:22-23). <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">The Bible clearly  indicates that one should not make their religious decisions on the  basis of what family members decide (Luke 14:26).<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Jesus also taught, And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple (Luke 14:27)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p>T<span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">hus one probably should not chose one fellowship over another because one seems &#8216;easier&#8217; to bear.. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">The Bible  indicates that financial reasons are also unacceptable (Matt 13:22).  Family reasons are also unacceptable according to Jesus (Matthew 10:34-37).  The fact that one likes the preaching style of one minister (or group)  more than another also does not seem to be biblically sanctioned (I Cor  1:12-13), nor does the  fact that one does not like aspects of the  leading minister (II Cor 10:10). <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\"><strong>Where Should One Be?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Other than  avoiding churches that practice lawlessness, there are other biblical  guidelines that give information on where one should be.   Does the group &#8220;contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all  delivered to the saints&#8221; (Jude 3)?  If so, great, but is this the only  criteria?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Jesus taught: <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">If you abide in  Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it  shall be done for you.        By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you  will be My disciples&#8230;You did not choose Me, but I chose you and  appointed you that you should go and bear fruit (John 15:7,8,16). <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Thus individual members are to bear fruit.  And, <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep&#8217;s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.          You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?          Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.          A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.          Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.          Therefore by their fruits you will know them (Matthew 7:15-20). <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Thus groups should be judged by their fruits!  The next verse says, <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Not everyone  who says to Me, &#8216;Lord, Lord,&#8217; shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he  who does the will of My Father in heaven (Matthew 7:21). <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">What is the will  of the Father regarding fruit?  That we bear much of it!  Thus,   whatever group you are affiliated with should be trying to bear fruit.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Jesus clearly indicates that this is not just talking about an individual improving one&#8217;s own life as He said, <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\"> For whoever  desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My  sake and the gospel&#8217;s will save it (Mark 8:35)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">But he who  received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and  understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold,  some sixty, some thirty (Matthew 13:23). <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Therefore, it  appears clear that one should be affiliated with a group that places a  high priority of developing fruit through proclaiming the gospel!         Even though this author has heard some say that this is the job  of the two witnesses (Rev 11:3,7) or the &#8216;third angel&#8217;  (Rev 14:6), here  is what Jesus says this to those who want to wait for someone else, <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Do you not say,  &#8216;There are still four months and then comes the harvest&#8217;? Behold, I say  to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already  white for harvest! (John 4:35). <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Of course, I clearly feel that the <a href=\"\/ylcg.htm\">LCG<\/a> has done the best job of publicly proclaiming the Gospel (and this is documented in the article <a href=\"\/ylcg.htm\">There are Many COGS: Why the Living Church of God?<\/a>)  and remaining faithful to doctrine of any of the groups, this does not  mean that the efforts of others have gone unnoticed.  Perhaps, if doctrinal differences can be resolved, we could  combine together.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\"><strong>Attendance in Other Fellowships<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">So let us assume  you have examined the teachings of the various groups.  You have  determined which group best contends for the the faith once delivered  (Jude 3), is true to the Bible (II Tim 3:16),  bears fruit (Matt  7:15-20), and is proclaiming the gospel   (Matthew 24:14;28:19-20; Mark 8:35).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">So  are there times it is proper to attend services of another fellowship?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">The biblical  answer is yes.  The apostles often attended Jewish services when  Christian churches were not around (e.g. Act 14:1).  They also attended  Christian church services when they were available (Acts 14:27;15:4).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">I have attended with several other fellowships at various times  primarily because I do not wish to, &#8220;forsaking the assembling of  ourselves together, as is the manner of some&#8221; (Hebrews 10:25). Yet, however, I do not believe that one should regularly fellowship with a  group other than the one&#8217;s primary group if the opportunity to  fellowship with one&#8217;s primary group exists.  If one is truly in the  group that is most appropriate, Ecclesiastes 9:10 would seem to apply,  &#8220;Whatever your hand finds to do,  do it with your might&#8221;. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">Those in COGWA believe that they have done the right thing making and supporting that break-away organization, while those who remain in UCG apparently believe the same about staying with UCG.\u00a0 I, as most regular readers are aware, believe that LCG was (and remains) a better choice.\u00a0 And that choice can still be made by those in COGWA and UCG.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em>Some articles of possibly related interest may include:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/choice.htm\">Attending the Church of Choice<\/a> This article discusses whose choice is important to worship God; should  you attend the church of your choice or the church of God&#8217;s choice?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/church_governance.htm\">Polycarp, Herbert W. Armstrong, and Roderick C. Meredith on Church Government<\/a> What form of governance did the early church have? Was it hierarchical?         Which form of governance would one expect to have in the            Philadelphia       remnant? The people decide and\/or committee    forms,         odd dictatorships,  or   the same type that the    Philadelphia era         itself      had?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/unity.htm\">Unity: Which COG for You?<\/a> Why so many groups? Why is there lack of unity in the Churches of God?        Has it always been this way? What can\/should be done about it?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/ucg.htm\">Differences between the           Living Church of God and United Church of God<\/a> This article    provides          quotes information from the two      largest groups which    had their         origins      in WCG as well as      commentary.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/ylcg.htm\">There are Many COGs: Why        Support the Living Church of God?<\/a> This is an article for those  who          wish to more easily sort out      the different COGs. It really   should   be    a          MUST READ     for  current and former WCG\/GCI   members or  any        interested        in     supporting the faithful   church. It also   explains a         lot   of  what   the   COGs   are all   about.<br \/>\n<em><em><span style=\"color: teal;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><a href=\"\/cogwa.htm\"><em> <\/em><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/em><\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/cogwa.htm\">Concerns about Church of God, a Worldwide Association <\/a> This seems to be the largest group that came out of the United Church of God.  Here is some history and concerns about it.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/work.htm\">Should the Church Still Try    to Place its Top Priority on Proclaiming the Gospel or Did   Herbert           W.     Armstrong Change that Priority for the Work?<\/a> Some   say   the       Church     should mainly feed the flock now as   that is   what   Herbert  W.       Armstrong    reportedly said.  Is that   what  he  said?    Is that  what    the    Bible says?   What did <a href=\"\/paul.htm\">Paul<\/a> and <a href=\"\/herbertwarmstrong.htm\">Herbert W. Armstrong<\/a> expect from evangelists?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/laodiceachurch.htm\">The Laodicean  Church Era <\/a>has been predominant circa 1986 A.D. to present. 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