{"id":71608,"date":"2021-11-18T00:01:10","date_gmt":"2021-11-18T08:01:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/?p=71608"},"modified":"2021-11-18T04:30:16","modified_gmt":"2021-11-18T12:30:16","slug":"peter-and-paul-and-roman-catholic-myths","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/church-history\/peter-and-paul-and-roman-catholic-myths\/","title":{"rendered":"Peter and Paul and Roman Catholic Myths"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/133.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"198\" \/><em><br \/>\nVatican City (photo by Joyce Thiel)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/cogwriter.htm\">COGwriter<\/a><\/p>\n<p>On November 18th, various Catholics of Rome celebrate the feast of the dedication of the Basilicas of Peter and Paul&#8211;both of which I have visited. The one known as St. Peter&#8217;s Basilica is in Vatican City and is claimed to have the remains of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/peter.htm\">Apostle Peter<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Part of this is based upon the claim that Peter died in Rome.<\/p>\n<p>What about Peter&#8217;s death? Notice what the <em>Rheims<\/em> New Testament records that Peter wrote just prior to it:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>14. Being certain that the laying away of my tabernacle is at hand, according as our Lord<br \/>\nJESUS Christ also signified to me.<br \/>\n15. And I will do my diligence, you to have often after my decease also, that you may keep<br \/>\na memory of these things.<br \/>\n16. For, not having followed unlearned fables, have we made the power and &#8216;presence&#8217;<br \/>\nof our Lord JESUS Christ known to you: but made beholders of his greatness.<br \/>\n17. For, he receiving from God his father honour and glory, this manner of voice coming<br \/>\ndown to him from the magnifical glory, <em>This is my beloved son in whom I have pleased<br \/>\nmyself, hear him<\/em>.<br \/>\n18. And <strong>this voice we heard<\/strong> brought from heaven, <strong>when we were<\/strong> with him in the holy<br \/>\nmount. (II Peter 1:14-18).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This is problematic as far as Rome is concerned. The reason is that the above passage seems to be teaching that John was still with Peter (John was part of the &#8220;we heard&#8221;). This is indirectly acknowledged by the <span style=\"font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif;\">ANNOTATIONS from Chapter 1 of I Peter from the <em>Rheims New Testament of 1582<\/em> on page 515 as it states:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>c By this it is plain, that either John, James, or Peter must be the author of this epistle, for these three only were present at the Transfiguration. Matt. 17:1<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Since the particular above James is believed to have been killed by 39 A.D. in Judea (Acts 12:1), either the <a href=\"\/peter.htm\">Apostle Peter<\/a> died near then (which he did not, he died around three or so decades later) or the <a href=\"\/john.htm\">Apostle John<\/a> must have still been with Peter. And since there is no evidence that the Apostle John went to Rome in the 60s A.D., the available evidence (including from Roman Catholic sources) suggests that John was in Jerusalem or Asia Minor at that time. Plus, if John was in Jerusalem or Asia Minor then, since Peter seems to be claiming that John was with him, then Peter would have been in Jerusalem or Asia Minor just prior to his death. Hence, to claim that Peter spent much time in Rome or died in Rome seems to be inconsistent with the biblical record.<\/p>\n<p>The place of Peter&#8217;s burial is also controversial.<\/p>\n<p>Essentially according to the Quo Vadis legend, Peter was buried in Rome. However, that account was not written until over a century after Peter died.<\/p>\n<p>But there was something else that some have pointed to:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It is not before around 160 CE that we see some kind of interest by Roman Christians in the site by the construction a simple monument that consisted of a niche and a courtyard (the <em>Tropaion Gaii<\/em>). The monument was probably used for gatherings, but not as a marker as an individual grave, since memory of Peter&#8217;s original burying place was lost by the time the <em>Tropaion <\/em>was erected. The existence of the <em>Tropaion<\/em> did not result in the development of a Christian burial site, but was integrated into a middle-class non-Christian burial street. Only in the age of Constantine the site was firmly and finally taken over by Christians, thereby obliterating all earlier traces of burial activity apart from the immediate space around the <em>Tropaion.<\/em> ( Zangenberg, J\u00fcrgen; Labahn, Michael. Christians as a religious minority in a multicultural city: modes of interaction and identity formation in early Imperial Rome : studies on the basis of a seminar at the second conference of the European Association for Biblical Studies (EABS) from July 8-12, 2001, in Rome. <em>Volume 243 of Journal for the study of the New Testament<\/em> <em>Library of New Testament Studies, the Series<\/em> <em>European studies on Christian origins<\/em>. Continuum International Publishing Group, 2004, p. 132)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Furthermore that site must not have been accepted originally as, according to the <em>Liber Pontificalis <\/em> (the Book of Popes), it was Roman bishop Cornelius who supposedly moved the body of Peter to its present location (nearly two centuries after Peter died). Here is one written account:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>XXII Cornelius (Pope 251-253)&#8230;He during his pontificate at the request of a certain matron Lucina, took up the bodies of the apostles, blessed Peter and Paul up out of the catacombs by night; first the body of blessed Paul was received by the blessed Lucina] and laid in her own garden on the Via Ostiensis, near the place where he was beheaded; the body of the blessed Peter was received by the blessed Cornelius, the bishop, and laid near to the place where he was crucified, among the bodies of the holy bishops, in the shrine of Apollo, on the Mons Aureus, in the Batican, by the palace of Nero, on June 29. (Translated by Louise Ropes Loomis. The Book of the Popes (Liber Pontificalis. Originally published by Columbia University Press, NY 1916. 2006 edition by Evolution Publishing, Merchantville (NJ), pp. 25-26).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Hence, one of the earliest Catholic writings attempting to demonstrate that Rome had a series of early bishops\/popes states that Peter was NOT originally buried in Rome. There would be no point in moving Peter&#8217;s body if people actually had believed that the <em>Tropaion Gaii <\/em>marked the spot.<\/p>\n<p>Interestingly the conclusion of the one who supposedly identified the body of Peter in Vatican Hill was that he was not convinced it was Peter:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Antonio Ferrua &#8230;was the Jesuit archaeologist responsible for uncovering what is believed to be the tomb of St Peter in the grottoes under St Peter&#8217;s Basilica in Rome\u2026Ferrua&#8217;s discovery came, however, quite by chance. In 1939 Pope Pius XI died and plans were made to bury him beside Pius X in the crypt below the basilica. But when workmen began to dig under St Peter&#8217;s they came upon the floor of Constantine&#8217;s original basilica, beneath which was a necropolis, a street of Roman tombs dating from the 2nd century AD\u2026Under the supervision of Monsignor Ludwig Kaas, the Administrator of St Peter&#8217;s, the Vatican appointed four archaeologists, including Ferrua, to investigate the tombs\u2026Ferrua&#8217;s discovery was shrouded in controversy; in 1953, after the death of Monsignor Kaas, it was revealed by a workman that he had discovered some other bones which Kaas had ordered to be removed from the repository and stored at the Vatican. When these were later identified as the remains of an elderly man, it was concluded that these were the bones of the saint. &#8220;The relics of St Peter,&#8221; announced Pope Paul VI on June 26 1968, &#8220;have been identified in a manner which we believe convincing&#8221;; the following day, after a ceremony in front of the aedicula, the remains were restored to the repository.<\/p>\n<p>Ferrua was more circumspect. Aware of the scepticism that surrounded even the analysis of the Greek fragment &#8211; which others had read as Petros endei or &#8220;Peter is not here&#8221; &#8211; he recently told the Italian Catholic newspaper L&#8217;Avvenire that he was &#8220;not convinced&#8221; that the saint&#8217;s bones had been found\u2026A man of deep faith, Ferrua was a rigorous scholar, much admired for his refusal to allow his beliefs to compromise his work (The Rev Antonio Ferrua. Telegraph, London &#8211; May 29, 2003 http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/obituaries\/1431338\/The-Rev-Antonio-Ferrua.html viewed 07\/20\/09).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Thus, the one credited for finding Peter\u2019s body was unconvinced by the evidence he had investigated.<\/p>\n<p>It should be noted that there is also the view that Peter died in Judea and was interred in the Mount of Olives\u2014an ossuary box bearing the inscription \u201cShimon Bar Jonah\u201d has been found and some believe it may be referring to the Simon Bar-Jonah (Fingegan J. The Archaeology of the New Testament. Princeton: Princeton University Press, reprt 1979, pp. 359-375) that became the Apostle Peter as per Matthew 16:17\u2014and although that is inconclusive, it is probably stronger contemporary \u201cevidence\u201d than Rome seems to have as Peter\u2019s original burial site.<\/p>\n<p>Here is some limited information about it written by F. Paul Peterson in 1960, edited by James Tabor, and somewhat shortened by me:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>While visiting a friend in Switzerland, I heard of what seemed to me, one of the greatest discoveries since the time of Christ\u2014that Peter was buried in Jerusalem and not in Rome\u2026<\/p>\n<p>After talking to many priests and investigating various sources of information, I finally was greatly rewarded by learning where I could buy the only known book on the subject, which was also written in Italian. It is called, \u201cGli Scavi del Dominus Flevit\u201d, printed in 1958 at the Tipografia del PP. Francescani, in Jerusalem. It was written by P. B. Bagatti and J. T. Milik, both Roman Catholic priests\u2026<\/p>\n<p>In Jerusalem I spoke to many Franciscan priests who all read, finally, though reluctantly, that the bones of Simon Bar Jona (St. Peter) were found in Jerusalem, on the Franciscan monastery site called, \u201cDominus Flevit\u201d (where Jesus was supposed to have wept over Jerusalem), on the Mount of Olives\u2026the names of Christian Biblical characters were found on the ossuaries (bone boxes). The names of Mary and Martha were found on one box and right next to it was one with the name of Lazarus, their brother. Other names of early Christians were found on other boxes. Of greatest interest, however, was that which was found within twelve feet from the place where the remains of Mary, Martha and Lazarus were found\u2014the remains of St. Peter. They were found in an ossuary, on the outside of which was clearly and beautifully written in Aramaic, \u201cSimon Bar Jona\u201d\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Then I asked, \u201cDoes Father Bagatti (co-writer of the book in Italian on the subject, and archaeologist) really believe that those are the bones of St. Peter?\u201d \u201cYes, he does,\u201d was the reply. Then I asked, \u201cBut what does the Pope think of all this?\u201d That was a thousand dollar question and he gave me a million dollar answer. \u201cWell,\u201d he confidentially answered in a hushed voice, \u201cFather Bagatti told me personally that three years ago he went to the Pope (Pius XII) in Rome and showed him the evidence and the Pope said to him, \u2018Well, we will have to make some changes, but for the time being, keep this thing quiet\u2019.\u201d In awe I asked also in a subdued voice, \u201cSo the Pope really believes that those are the bones of St. Peter?\u201d \u201cYes,\u201d was his answer. \u201cThe documentary evidence is there, he could not help but believe.\u201d \u2026<\/p>\n<p>I did not have the opportunity to see priest Bagatti while in Jerusalem. I wrote to him, however, on March 15, 1960, as follows: \u201cI have spoken with a number of Franciscan priests and monks and they have told me about you and the book of which you are a co-writer. I had hoped to see you and to compliment you on such a great discovery, but time would not permit. Having heard so much about you and that you are an archaeologist (with the evidence in hand), I was convinced, with you, concerning the ancient burial ground that the remains found in the ossuary with the name on it, \u2018Simon Bar Jona\u2019, written in Aramaic, were those of St. Peter.\u201d It is remarkable that in his reply he did not contradict my statement, which he certainly would have done if he honestly could have done so. \u201cI was very much convinced with you \u2013 \u2026 that the remains found in the ossuary \u2026 were those of St. Peter.\u201d This confirms the talk I had with the Franciscan monk in Bethlehem and the story he told me of Priest Bagatti\u2019s going to the Pope with the evidence concerning the bones of St. Peter in Jerusalem. In his letter one can see that he is careful because of the Pope\u2019s admonition to keep this discovery quiet. (Peterson F. Paul. Saint Peter\u2019s Tomb: The Discovery of Peter\u2019s Tomb in Jerusalem in 1953. http:\/\/www.jesusdynasty.com\/blog\/2007\/04\/03\/has-the-ossuary-of-simon-peter-aka-simeon-son-of-jonah-been-found\/ viewed 02\/17\/11)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The Jerusalem burial of Peter is not currently taught by the Church of Rome. Thus, it appears to me, at least, that scholars (including Catholic ones) tend to understand that it is questionable if Peter was buried in Rome and if his body is actually in St. Peter&#8217;s Basilica in Vatican City (see also <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/roman.htm\">What Do Roman Catholic Scholars Actually Teach About Early Church History?<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>A while back related to Catholic &#8216;myths,&#8217; Zenit.org, a pro-Vatican news source, reported the following:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Much of the hostility towards the Catholic Church is based on ignorance and prejudice. This is the argument of Christopher Kaczor in his recent book, \u201cThe Seven Big Myths About the Catholic Church,\u201d (Ignatius Press). A professor of philosophy at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles, Kaczor started by pointing out that the Church is made up of both saints and sinners and that mistakes in governance can indeed occur&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>The first myth examined by the book is the idea that religion and science are in conflict with each other&#8230;The second myth is that the Church opposes freedom and happiness by saying no to a number of actions&#8230;The idea that the Church hates women is another myth addressed in the book&#8230;The issue of homosexuality, and the argument by some that the Church hates homosexuals, is another myth dealt with by Kaczor. http:\/\/www.zenit.org\/article-35978?l=english<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Before going further, I would state that true science and true religion are not in conflict with each other.<\/p>\n<p>Now as far as myths FROM the Roman Catholic Church, there are many (and some are not accepted by its top leadership, though commonly held).<\/p>\n<p>Since Zenit mentioned seven myths about Roman Catholics, let us briefly list seven &#8216;Roman Catholic&#8217; myths with a comment or so after each:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><strong>The Roman Catholic Church is the original church and became that way when the Apostle Peter was in Rome.<\/strong> The Bible never suggests that, nor is there absolute proof the <a href=\"\/peter.htm\">Apostle Peter<\/a> was ever even in Rome (and even if he was, he spent the bulk of his time elsewhere). For details, please see the article <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/peter.htm\">Peter and Rome.<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>The Church of Rome has apostolic succession from Peter to Linus to Cletus to Clement to Evaristus<\/strong>. The fact is that Roman Catholic scholars know this is essentially wishful thinking based upon later traditions. For details, please see <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/roman.htm\">What Do Roman Catholic Scholars Actually Teach About Early Church History?<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/apostolicsuccession.htm\">Apostolic Succession<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><strong>The Church of Rome never changes.<\/strong> This is thoroughly disproved by many documents. A detailed article on many doctrinal changes that the Roman Catholic Church adopted are proven in the free online book: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/Original-Catholic-Beliefs.pdf\">Beliefs of the Original Catholic Church<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><strong>The Church of Rome gave the world the Bible.<\/strong> No, the Bible as we know it came from Asia Minor and the Hebrews. The fact that it took the Church of Rome centuries to finally settle on the books as the Apostle John finalized and his successors verified, proves that Rome was not the source of the Bible. It was the Church of God, not the Church of Rome, that maintained the proper &#8216;chain of custody.&#8217; For details, please see: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/BibleCanon.pdf\">Who Gave the World the Bible? The Canon: Why do we have the books we now do in the Bible? Is the Bible complete?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>The Church of Rome is the original &#8220;catholic church.&#8221;<\/strong> The first time the term &#8220;catholic church&#8221; is clearly found in theological writings, it was used in a letter to the Church of God in Smyrna and was not a reference to Rome. Yet, even though the Church of Rome teaches that the church in Smyrna was led by a variety of leaders it considers to be saints, the Church of Rome does not hold to the same teachings that the Church of God in Smyrna held to&#8211;instead it now strongly condemns some of those beliefs. For details, please see the free online book: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/Original-Catholic-Beliefs.pdf\">Beliefs of the Original Catholic Church<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Christian leaders wore mitres and dressed like the modern Catholic clergy.<\/strong> While the Vatican does not teach this directly, the average member seems to accept the dress of the Catholic clergy as nearly sacred. Yet, no early leader dressed like that and even in St. Peter&#8217;s Cathedral in Vatican City, none of the early apostles are portrayed wearing mitres, etc. For additional proof, please see the article <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/duties.htm\">Were the Early Duties of Elders\/Pastors Mainly Sacramental? What was their Dress?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><strong>The Church of Rome has the creed of the apostles.<\/strong> No, history, as verified by Greco-Roman Catholic scholars, disproves this. For details, please see <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/original-apostles-creed.htm\">What Was the Original Apostles&#8217; Creed? What is the Nicene Creed?<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>The original faithful Church was in Jerusalem and over time the location of its main leaders shifted to Asia Minor and then elsewhere (this can be demonstrated by studying the historical and biblical references in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/location.htm\">Location of the Early Church: Another Look at Ephesus, Smyrna, and Rome<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>Because many who profess Christ, <a href=\"\/catholic.htm\">Roman Catholic,<\/a> <a href=\"\/orthodox.htm\">Eastern Orthodox<\/a>, and <a href=\"\/salvation.htm\">Protestant<\/a>, to name three groups, do not understand the truth about Church history (see <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/earlychristianity.htm\">The History of Early Christianity<\/a> for an overview), most believe myths about it (as well as what God&#8217;s plan is).<\/p>\n<p>It is only the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/church-of-god-overview.htm\">true Church of God<\/a> that has the type of spiritual succession and continuity to the original faith of the apostles that those associated with the Roman and Eastern Orthodox Catholic faiths claim to have.<\/p>\n<p><em>Some items of possibly related interest may include:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/Original-Catholic-Beliefs.pdf\">Beliefs of the Original Catholic Church<\/a>. Did the original \u201ccatholic church\u201d have doctrines held by the Continuing Church of God? Did Church of God leaders uses the term \u201ccatholic church\u201d to ever describe the church they were part of? Here are links to related sermons: <a id=\"video-title220\" title=\"Original Catholic Church of God?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=OxA8OvmMJSM\" aria-label=\"Original Catholic Church of God? by ContinuingCoG 5 minutes ago 1 hour, 18 minutes 1 view\">Original Catholic Church of God?<\/a> , <a id=\"video-title128\" title=\"Original Catholic Doctrine: Creed, Liturgy, Baptism, Passover\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=p4-ZikGMyjY\" aria-label=\"Original Catholic Doctrine: Creed, Liturgy, Baptism, Passover by ContinuingCoG 2 hours ago 1 hour, 23 minutes 16 views\">Original Catholic Doctrine: Creed, Liturgy, Baptism, Passover<\/a>, and <a id=\"video-title128\" title=\"What Type of Catholic was Polycarp of Smyrna?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=fTgsNMHCDoI\" aria-label=\"What Type of Catholic was Polycarp of Smyrna? by ContinuingCoG 5 minutes ago 1 hour, 11 minutes 1 view\">What Type of Catholic was Polycarp of Smyrna?<\/a>, <a id=\"video-title128\" title=\"Tradition, Holy Days, Salvation, Dress, &amp; Celibacy\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=jJpjZ0Y6Oo8\" aria-label=\"Tradition, Holy Days, Salvation, Dress, &amp; Celibacy by ContinuingCoG 11 minutes ago 1 hour, 18 minutes No views\">Tradition, Holy Days, Salvation, Dress, &amp; Celibacy<\/a>, and <a id=\"video-title128\" title=\"Early Heresies and Heretics\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=gTdKQz5WXxM\" aria-label=\"Early Heresies and Heretics by ContinuingCoG 7 minutes ago 1 hour, 10 minutes 3 views\">Early Heresies and Heretics<\/a>, and <a id=\"video-title128\" title=\"Doctrines: 3 Days, Abortion, Ecumenism, Meats\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=-d5u_CaP8sw\" aria-label=\"Doctrines: 3 Days, Abortion, Ecumenism, Meats by ContinuingCoG 2 hours ago 1 hour, 17 minutes 31 views\">Doctrines: 3 Days, Abortion, Ecumenism, Meats<\/a>, <a id=\"video-title128\" title=\"Tithes, Crosses, Destiny, and more.\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Fs5qeCgQdvU\" aria-label=\"Tithes, Crosses, Destiny, and more. by ContinuingCoG 1 hour, 17 minutes No views\">Tithes, Crosses, Destiny, and more<\/a>, and <a id=\"video-title128\" title=\"Fourth Commandment: Saturday or Sunday?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=xzTwpJsqj9c\" aria-label=\"Fourth Commandment: Saturday or Sunday? by ContinuingCoG 1 hour ago 1 hour, 15 minutes No views\">Saturday or Sunday?<\/a>, <a id=\"video-title233\" title=\"The Godhead\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=GXQodLkbDLw\" aria-label=\"The Godhead by ContinuingCoG 1 hour, 15 minutes 10 views\">The Godhead<\/a>, <a id=\"video-title243\" title=\"Apostolic Laying on of Hands Succession\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=deoyNNl49UY\" aria-label=\"Apostolic Laying on of Hands Succession by ContinuingCoG 1 hour ago 1 hour, 21 minutes 20 views\">Apostolic Laying on of Hands Succession<\/a>, and <a id=\"video-title244\" title=\"Church in the Wilderness Apostolic Succession List\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=S74Yz-XrsBY\" aria-label=\"Church in the Wilderness Apostolic Succession List by ContinuingCoG 1 hour, 18 minutes 17 views\">Church in the Wilderness Apostolic Succession List<\/a>.<br \/>\n<a href=\"peter.htm\">Peter and Rome <\/a>He was an original apostle and early Christian leader. Where was Peter buried? Where did Peter die?<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/smyrnachurch.htm\">The Smyrna Church Era<\/a> was predominant circa 135 A.D. to circa 450 A.D. The Church led by Polycarp, Melito, Polycrates, etc.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/roman.htm\">What Do Roman Catholic Scholars Actually Teach About Early Church History?<\/a> Although most believe that the Roman Catholic Church history teaches an unbroken line of succession of bishops beginning with Peter, with stories about most of them, Roman Catholic scholars know the truth of this matter. Is telling the truth about the early church citing Catholic accepted sources anti-Catholic? This eye-opening article is a must-read for any who really wants to know what Roman Catholic history actually admits about the early church.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/apostolicsuccession.htm\">Apostolic Succession<\/a> What really happened? Did structure and beliefs change? Are many of the widely-held current understandings of this even possible? Did you know that Catholic scholars really do not believe that several of the claimed &#8220;apostolic sees&#8221; of the Orthodox have apostolic succession&#8211;despite the fact that the current pontiff himself seems to wish to ignore this view? Is there actually a true church that has ties to any of the apostles that is not part of the Catholic or Orthodox churches? Read this article if you truly are interested in the truth on this matter! Here is a link to a sermon: <a title=\"Claims of Apostolic Succession\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=BHmlVQn_Pz8\" data-sessionlink=\"ei=wiMFWajkPIrruQL3g7fQBA&amp;feature=c4-overview&amp;ved=CDsQ0h4YACITCKjNuOfqytMCFYp1Tgod98ENSiibHA\">Claims of Apostolic Succession<\/a>. Here is a related articlein the Spanish language <a title=\"La sucesi\u00f3n apost\u00f3lica. \u00bfOcurri\u00f3 en Roma, Alejandr\u00eda, Constantinopla, Antioqu\u00eda, Jerusal\u00e9n o Asia Menor?\" href=\"http:\/\/www.cdlidd.es\/la-sucesion-apostolica-ocurrio-en-roma-alejandria-constantinopla-antioquia-jerusalen-o-asia-menor\/\">La sucesi\u00f3n apost\u00f3lica. \u00bfOcurri\u00f3 en Roma, Alejandr\u00eda, Constantinopla, Antioqu\u00eda, Jerusal\u00e9n o Asia Menor?<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/cogwriter.com\/early-church-history.htm\">Early Church History: Who Were the Two Major Groups that Professed Christ in the Second and Third Centuries?<\/a> Did you know that many in the second and third centuries felt that there were two major, and separate, professing Christian groups in the second century, but that those in the majority churches tend to now blend the groups together and claim &#8220;saints&#8221; from both? &#8220;Saints&#8221; that condemn some of their current beliefs. Who are the two groups? A related sermon is also available <a dir=\"ltr\" title=\"Christianity: Two groups\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=zIrq2xUkL7I&amp;t=291s\" aria-describedby=\"description-id-530996\" data-sessionlink=\"ei=A6nyWMaJCIHpugKt0KOQDQ&amp;feature=c4-videos-u&amp;ved=CDoQlx4iEwiGl7Cby6fTAhWBtE4KHS3oCNIomxw\">Christianity: Two groups<\/a>.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/original-apostles-creed.htm\">What Was the Original Apostles&#8217; Creed? What is the Nicene Creed?<\/a> Did the original apostles write a creed? When was the first creed written? Are the creeds commonly used by the Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholics original?<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/BibleCanon.pdf\">Who Gave the World the Bible? The Canon: Why do we have the books we now do in the Bible? Is the Bible complete?<\/a> Are there lost gospels? What about the Apocrypha? Is the Septuagint better than the Masoretic text? What about the Textus Receptus vs. Nestle Alland? Was the New Testament written in Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew? Which translations are based upon the best ancient text? Did the true Church of God have the canon from the beginning? Here are links to related sermons: <a id=\"video-title198\" title=\"Let's Talk About the Bible\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=XNOlqVYXPvU\" aria-label=\"Let's Talk About the Bible by ContinuingCoG 26 minutes ago 1 hour, 11 minutes 5 views\">Let\u2019s Talk About the Bible<\/a>, <a id=\"video-title152\" title=\"Books of the Old Testament\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=WZZd4R3xjGw\" aria-label=\"Books of the Old Testament by ContinuingCoG 29 minutes ago 1 hour, 11 minutes 3 views\">The Books of the Old Testament<\/a>, <a id=\"video-title152\" title=\"The Septuagint and its Apocrypha\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=rack3gNWjIM\" aria-label=\"The Septuagint and its Apocrypha by ContinuingCoG 2 hours ago 1 hour, 12 minutes 26 views\">The Septuagint and its Apocrypha<\/a>, <a id=\"video-title152\" title=\"Masoretic Text of the Old Testament\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=a8LSwVT6SxU\" aria-label=\"Masoretic Text of the Old Testament by ContinuingCoG 3 days ago 27 minutes 71 views\">Masoretic Text of the Old Testament<\/a>, and <a id=\"video-title152\" title=\"Lost Books of the Bible?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=lcoRVObybGI\" aria-label=\"Lost Books of the Bible? by ContinuingCoG 31 minutes ago 1 hour 7 views\">Lost Books of the Bible<\/a>, and <a id=\"video-title152\" title=\"Let's Talk About the New Testament\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=lsDLoGcGhKM\" aria-label=\"Let's Talk About the New Testament by ContinuingCoG 5 minutes ago 1 hour, 11 minutes No views\">Let\u2019s Talk About the New Testament<\/a>, <a id=\"video-title152\" title=\"The New Testament Canon From the Beginning\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=i7wwE1a9VMo\" aria-label=\"The New Testament Canon From the Beginning by ContinuingCoG 3 minutes ago 58 minutes 1 view\">The New Testament Canon From the Beginning<\/a>, <a id=\"video-title152\" title=\"English Versions of the New Testament, and How Did We Get Them?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=-1zZ3EH778w\" aria-label=\"English Versions of the New Testament, and How Did We Get Them? by ContinuingCoG 53 minutes ago 1 hour, 10 minutes 7 views\">English Versions of the Bible and How Did We Get Them?<\/a>, <a id=\"video-title210\" title=\"What was the Original Language of the New Testament?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=bZd77G5_IRw\" aria-label=\"What was the Original Language of the New Testament? by ContinuingCoG 46 minutes ago 1 hour, 3 minutes 16 views\">What was the Original Language of the New Testament?<\/a>, <a id=\"video-title212\" title=\"Original Order of the Books of the Bible\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ztbURGjI2NQ\" aria-label=\"Original Order of the Books of the Bible by BibleNewsProphecy 9 hours ago 16 minutes 65 views\">Original Order of the Books of the Bible<\/a>, and <a id=\"video-title218\" title=\"Who Gave the World the Bible? Who Had the Chain of Custody?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ELGgvEHLzuI\" aria-label=\"Who Gave the World the Bible? Who Had the Chain of Custody? by BibleNewsProphecy 4 hours ago 34 minutes 25 views\">Who Gave the World the Bible? Who Had the Chain of Custody? <\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/cogwriter.com\/christianity-mithraism.htm\">Do You Practice Mithraism?<\/a> Many practices and doctrines that mainstream so-called Christian groups have are the same or similar to those of the sun-god Mithras. December 25th was celebrated as his birthday. Do you follow Mithraism combined with the Bible or original Christianity? A sermon video from Vatican City is titled <a dir=\"ltr\" title=\"Church of Rome, Mithras, and Isis?\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=NaEY2Wf_5WI&amp;list=UUOuL5Q2Xi9HZqU6GivhxveQ&amp;feature=c4-overview\" data-sessionlink=\"ei=f-HpUuX8N8KO8gGbqIDACg&amp;ved=CCMQvxs&amp;feature=c4-overview-u\">Church of Rome, Mithras, and Isis? <\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/duties.htm\">Were the Early Duties of Elders\/Pastors Mainly Sacramental? What was their Dress?<\/a> Were the duties of the clergy primarily pastoral or sacramental? Did the clergy dress with special liturgical vestments? Can &#8220;bishops&#8221; be disqualified as ministers of Christ based on their head coverings?<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/era.htm\">The Churches of Revelation 2 &amp; 3<\/a> from 31 A.D. to present: information on all of the seven churches of Revelation 2 &amp; 3. There is also a YouTube video: <a dir=\"ltr\" title=\"The Seven Church Eras of Revelation\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=diQy_wSfgO0\" data-sessionlink=\"ei=Y7_IUaypOc2MhgGSwYGIDw&amp;feature=c4-overview-u&amp;ved=CDEQ-SUoAA\">The Seven Church Eras of Revelation<\/a>. There is also a version in the Spanish language: <a title=\"Permanent Link to Las Siete Iglesias de Apocalipsis 2 &amp; 3\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ccog.org\/las-siete-iglesias-de-apocalipsis-2-3\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Las Siete Iglesias de Apocalipsis 2 &amp; 3<\/a>.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/Nazarene.htm\">Nazarene Christianity: Were the Original Christians Nazarenes?<\/a> Who were the Nazarene Christians? What did they believe? Should 21st century Christians be modern Nazarenes? Is there a group that exists now that traces its history through the Nazarenes and holds the same beliefs today? Here is a link to a related video sermon <a dir=\"ltr\" title=\"Nazarene Christians: Were the early Christians 'Nazarenes?'\" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=vU4wVt6niBo&amp;feature=c4-overview&amp;list=UUOuL5Q2Xi9HZqU6GivhxveQ\" data-sessionlink=\"ei=KINMUt2IGMHRsgfIrICICw&amp;feature=c4-overview-u&amp;ved=CCEQvxs\">Nazarene Christians: Were the early Christians &#8220;Nazarenes&#8221;? <\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/location.htm\">Location of the Early Church: Another Look at Ephesus, Smyrna, and Rome<\/a> What actually happened to the primitive Church? And did the Bible tell about this in advance?<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/WhereistheTrueChristianChurchToday.pdf\">Where is the True Christian Church Today?<\/a> This free online pdf booklet answers that question and includes 18 proofs, clues, and signs to identify the true vs. false Christian church. Plus 7 proofs, clues, and signs to help identify Laodicean churches. A related sermon is also available: <a dir=\"ltr\" title=\"Where is the True Christian Church?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=adMl1PWrg_Q&amp;list=UUOuL5Q2Xi9HZqU6GivhxveQ\" data-sessionlink=\"feature=c4-overview-u&amp;ei=7KwLVLmCKtOp-AP--oDwCw&amp;ved=CBoQvxs\">Where is the True Christian Church? <\/a>Here is a link to the booklet in the Spanish language: <a title=\"\u00bfD\u00f3nde est\u00e1 la verdadera Iglesia cristiana de hoy?\" href=\"http:\/\/www.cdlidd.es\/donde-esta-la-verdadera-iglesia-cristiana-de-hoy\/\">\u00bfD\u00f3nde est\u00e1 la verdadera Iglesia cristiana de hoy?<\/a> Here is a link in the German language: <a title=\"WO IST DIE WAHRE CHRISTLICHE KIRCHE HEUTE?\" href=\"http:\/\/ccog.eu\/wo-ist-die-wahre-christliche-kirche-heute\/\">WO IST DIE WAHRE CHRISTLICHE KIRCHE HEUTE?<\/a> Here is a link in the French language: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/WhereistheTrueChristianChurchTodayFrancais.pdf\">O\u00f9 est la vraie \u00c9glise Chr\u00e9tienne aujourd\u2019hui?<\/a> Here is a link to a short animation: <b> <\/b><a id=\"video-title79\" title=\"Which Church would Jesus Choose?\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Kr460BB6H8g\" aria-label=\"Which Church would Jesus Choose? by CCOG Animations 2 days ago 9 minutes, 17 seconds 17 views\">Which Church would Jesus Choose?<\/a><strong><br \/>\n<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/continuing-history-of-the-church-of-god.pdf\">Continuing History of the Church of God<\/a> This pdf booklet is a historical overview of the true Church of God and some of its main opponents from Acts 2 to the 21st century. Related sermon links include <a dir=\"ltr\" title=\"Continuing History of the Church of God: c. 31 to c. 300 A.D.\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=PXCPA0iYaJo&amp;list=UUOuL5Q2Xi9HZqU6GivhxveQ\" data-sessionlink=\"ei=nmUzU7WvGNWq-QO4g4D4Aw&amp;feature=c4-overview-u&amp;ved=CBEQvxs\"><span data-original-html=\"Continuing History of the Church of God: c. 31 to c. 300 A.D. \">Continuing History of the Church of God: c. 31 to c. 300 A.D<\/span><\/a>. and <a dir=\"ltr\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=d5NhF3soRNc&amp;list=UUOuL5Q2Xi9HZqU6GivhxveQ\" aria-describedby=\"description-id-915637\" data-sessionlink=\"ei=tDaQVJWkEsuQqgW364CwDQ&amp;ved=CBEQvxs&amp;feature=c4-overview-u\">Continuing History of the Church of God: 4th-16th Centuries<\/a> and <a title=\"Continuing History of the Church of God: 17th-20th Centuries\" href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=bqJj1he1CYY\" data-sessionlink=\"ei=ZoZTV5LVO8vC-wPVn6TwDQ&amp;feature=c4-overview&amp;ved=CEUQ0h4YACITCJKgw-zjj80CFUvhfgod1Q8J3iibHA\">Continuing History of the Church of God: 17th-20th Centuries<\/a>. The booklet is available in Spanish: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/HistoryChurch-SpanishFinal.pdf\">Continuaci\u00f3n de la Historia de la Iglesia de Dios<\/a>, German: <a href=\"http:\/\/ccog.eu\/kontinuierliche-geschichte-der-kirche-gottes\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Kontinuierliche Geschichte der Kirche Gottes<\/a>, French: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/histoire-continue-de-lglise-de-dieu-french.pdf\">L \u0019Histoire <em>Continue<\/em> de l \u0019\u00c9glise de Dieu<\/a> and Ekegusii <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/ChurchHistory-Ekegusii.pdf\">Omogano Bw\u2019ekanisa Ya Nyasae Egendererete<\/a>.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/earlychristianity.htm\">The History of Early Christianity<\/a> Are you aware that what most people believe is not what truly happened to the true Christian church? Do you know where the early church was based? 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