{"id":8050,"date":"2011-08-07T03:05:28","date_gmt":"2011-08-07T11:05:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/?p=8050"},"modified":"2011-08-07T06:38:05","modified_gmt":"2011-08-07T14:38:05","slug":"ucg-explains-democracy-cogwa-explains-balloting","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/doctrine\/ucg-explains-democracy-cogwa-explains-balloting\/","title":{"rendered":"UCG Explains Democracy, COGWA Explains Balloting"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"\/bible.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"283\" \/><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/cogwriter.htm\">COGwriter<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The latest edition of the <a href=\"\/ucg.htm\">United Church of God&#8217;s<\/a> publication <em>World News &amp; Prophecy <\/em>has the following in its lead article titled <em>Is Democracy the Answer?<\/em>:\u00a0 It author, Frank Dunkle, writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>First of all, straight democracy or majority rule is itself a form of tyranny&#8230;Secondly, even where democratic government has been more  successful\u2014limited to choosing representation and referendums on key  issues\u2014there have still been serious consequences&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>California voters have often used ballot initiatives to overrule or  bypass their state legislature, taking government into their own hands.  This exercise of direct democracy on the surface sounds positive, but  the results have brought the state to the brink of financial disaster&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>The Bible, while it stresses many principles of personal freedom,  individual initiative and collective responsibility, does not teach  democracy\u2014though it also does not condemn democratic rule itself.  Rather, it reveals that a world government ruled by Jesus Christ at His  return is the real solution to governmental problems.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It always amazes me that UCG realizes that the Bible does not endorse democracy and that the Kingdom of God will not be a democracy, yet it is basically governed as an aristocratic democracy (UCG has a presbyterian form of governance).\u00a0 BTW, I believe that the article&#8217;s comment that the Bible does not condemn democracy is misleading&#8211;for details, please see the article <a href=\"\/vote.htm\">Should a Christian Vote?<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/cogwa.htm\">COGWA<\/a> (Church of God, a Worldwide Association) formed by ministers breaking away from UCG in 2010.\u00a0 It choose a similar governance style to UCG (see <a title=\"Permanent Link to COGWA Chooses Balloting\" rel=\"bookmark\" href=\"\/news\/doctrine\/cogwa-chooses-balloting\/\">COGWA Chooses Balloting<\/a>).\u00a0 A few days back it posted its new bylaws.\u00a0 Here is some of what it says about balloting:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Balloting<\/strong>.\u00a0 While the term &#8220;balloting&#8221; is technically synonymous with the term &#8220;voting,&#8221; for ecclesiastical reasons the Corporation endorses and prefers the term &#8220;balloting.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In other words, its seems COGWA is saying that it endorses presbyterian voting (representative democracy with the elders\/presbyters\/ministers voting) for its form of governance, but is concerned that many in the church may be offended by the term voting, so it (like UCG) prefers to use the term &#8220;balloting&#8221; to obfuscate the fact that they endorse a form of democracy.<\/p>\n<p>As far as the presbyterian form of church governance that both UCG and COGWA have adopted, notice what the late <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/herbertwarmstrong.htm\">Herbert W. Armstrong<\/a> wrote about that:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The government of God is of necessity government from the top down.   It cannot be &#8216;government by the consent of the governed&#8217; &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>The Presbyterian Church is organized with the presbyters    or  ministers in control. The Congregational Church delegates top authority     to the congregation&#8211;&#8220;government by the consent of the governed.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>And so it goes. The churches of this world of Satan    are organized  according to humanly devised patterns. But the Bible gives    explicit  directions in regard to Church government. Jesus Christ is the    Head  of the Church. God&#8217;s form of government is, indeed, hierarchical.    God  the Father is head over Christ&#8211;the sole Lawgiver and supreme  authority&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>We have   just covered the truth that GOD set officials to serve on  the human level under   Christ, in the Church. Members do not elect  them. Yet in the churches of this   world some believe in government by  the entire congregation&#8211;&#8220;democracy&#8221;&#8211;and   call themselves  &#8220;Congregational.&#8221; Others have organized themselves into   government by  ministers or presbytery and call themselves &#8220;Presbyterian.&#8221;  &#8221; (<em>Mystery of the Ages<\/em>, Dodd &amp; Mead, 1985, pp.49, 242, 244, 246-247)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Part of the reason that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/herbertwarmstrong.htm\">Herbert W. Armstrong&#8217;s<\/a> comments are relevant here is because the majority of ministers in both COGWA and UCG claimed to once be loyal to his ecclesiastical teachings.\u00a0 But they have tended to not follow him (nor the Bible) on that as well as other ecclesiastical priorities he (and I believe Jesus) set for the most faithful church in Revelation 3:7-13.<\/p>\n<p><em>Some articles of possibly related interest may include:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/choice.htm\">Attending the Church of Choice<\/a> This article discusses whose choice is important to worship God; should  you attend the church of your choice or the church of God&#8217;s choice?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/church_governance.htm\">Polycarp, Herbert W. Armstrong, and Roderick C. Meredith on Church Government<\/a> What form of governance did the early church have? Was it hierarchical?         Which form of governance would one expect to have in the            Philadelphia       remnant? The people decide and\/or committee    forms,         odd dictatorships,  or   the same type that the    Philadelphia era         itself      had?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/vote.htm\">Should a Christian Vote?<\/a> This article gives some of the Biblical rationale on this subject.   Would Jesus vote for president\/prime minister? Is voting in the Bible?  This is a subject Christians need to understand.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/unity.htm\">Unity: Which COG for You?<\/a> Why so many groups? Why is there lack of unity in the Churches of God?        Has it always been this way? What can\/should be done about it?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/ucg.htm\">Differences between the           Living Church of God and United Church of God<\/a> This article    provides          quotes information from the two      largest groups which    had their         origins      in WCG as well as      commentary.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/ylcg.htm\">There are Many COGs: Why        Support the Living Church of God?<\/a> This is an article for those  who          wish to more easily sort out      the different COGs. It really   should   be    a          MUST READ     for  current and former WCG\/GCI   members or  any        interested        in     supporting the faithful   church. It also   explains a         lot   of  what   the   COGs   are all   about.<br \/>\n<em><em><span style=\"color: teal;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><a href=\"\/cogwa.htm\"><em> <\/em><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/em><\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/cogwa.htm\">Concerns about Church of God, a Worldwide Association (COGWA) <\/a> This seems to be the largest group that came out of the United Church of God.  Here is some history and concerns about it.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/work.htm\">Should the Church Still Try    to Place its Top Priority on Proclaiming the Gospel or Did   Herbert           W.     Armstrong Change that Priority for the Work?<\/a> Some   say   the       Church     should mainly feed the flock now as   that is   what   Herbert  W.       Armstrong    reportedly said.  Is that   what  he  said?    Is that  what    the    Bible says?   What did <a href=\"\/paul.htm\">Paul<\/a> and <a href=\"\/herbertwarmstrong.htm\">Herbert W. Armstrong<\/a> expect from evangelists?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/philadelphiachurch.htm\"> The Philadelphia Church Era<\/a> was predominant circa 1933 A.D. to 1986 A.D. and is the subject of Revelation 3:7-13.\u00a0 The old Radio Church of  God and old Worldwide Church of God, now basically the Living Church of  God.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/laodiceachurch.htm\">The Laodicean  Church Era <\/a>has been predominant circa 1986 A.D. to present. 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