{"id":8600,"date":"2011-09-25T04:36:20","date_gmt":"2011-09-25T12:36:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/?p=8600"},"modified":"2011-09-24T10:47:41","modified_gmt":"2011-09-24T18:47:41","slug":"lutherans-want-martin-luthers-excommunication-lifted-cardinal-koch-wants-lutheran-compromise","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/prophecy\/lutherans-want-martin-luthers-excommunication-lifted-cardinal-koch-wants-lutheran-compromise\/","title":{"rendered":"Lutherans Want Martin Luther&#8217;s Excommunication Lifted; Cardinal Koch Wants Lutheran Compromise"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/kurt-koch.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"170\" height=\"218\" \/><br \/>\nKurt Koch<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/cogwriter.htm\">COGwriter<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The ecumenical posturing from the Lutherans and the Vatican continues:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\">&#8230;the head of the Lutheran Church council in Germany and the pope&#8217;s chief  ecumenical officer publicly demonstrated how much is left to  discuss.<\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\">The Lutheran leader also was asked about the hopes  some Lutherans expressed that Pope Benedict would  &#8220;<strong>rehabilitate<\/strong>&#8221; Martin Luther or <strong>symbolically withdraw  his excommunication<\/strong> during the trip, or at least by 2017 when they mark  the 500th anniversary of the Reformation&#8230;<\/span><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\">Rev. Schneider said he hoped the official Catholic position on Luther would  continue to develop and would move toward a re-evaluation of Luther&#8217;s theology,  not just his personal faith.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Cardinal Koch, however, responded that  reconciliation is &#8220;a two-way street.&#8221; Both Catholics and Lutherans have work to  do in evaluating what happened during the Reformation and what has happened  since, he said.\u00a0 <a title=\"http:\/\/www.catholicnews.com\/data\/stories\/cns\/1103794.htm\" href=\"http:\/\/www.catholicnews.com\/data\/stories\/cns\/1103794.htm\">http:\/\/www.catholicnews.com\/data\/stories\/cns\/1103794.htm<\/a><span style=\"font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Cardinal Kurt Koch is one who claims he has a lot of understanding of the Protestants, and even stated that this is one reason he said he was chosen to be the President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity by Pope Benedict XVI.<\/p>\n<p>I have reported about Cardinal Koch several times in the past year (e.g. <a title=\"Permanent Link to Kurt Koch Made a Cardinal: Might He Become the Antichrist?\" rel=\"bookmark\" href=\"\/news\/prophecy\/kurt-koch-made-a-cardinal-might-he-become-the-antichrist\/\">Kurt Koch Made a Cardinal: Might He Become the Antichrist?<\/a> and <a title=\"Permanent Link to Kurt Koch Spoke on Vatican II: More Compromise Coming?\" rel=\"bookmark\" href=\"\/news\/prophecy\/kurt-koch-spoke-on-vatican-ii-more-compromise-coming\/\">Kurt Koch Spoke on Vatican II: More Compromise Coming?<\/a>).  I believe that if he lives long enough, Cardinal Koch will either become the final Antichrist, support the final Antichrist, or be decide that he will have to oppose him.  To take this a step further, yes, this means that I believe that someone who calls himself &#8220;Catholic&#8221; and somehow may become pope will be the final Antichrist (<a href=\"\/antichrist.htm\">Some Doctrines of Antichrist<\/a>).  And I also will add that it is NOT &#8220;Catholic bashing&#8221; to consider that the final Antichrist will call himself &#8220;Catholic&#8221; as this is the position of certain Catholic mystics and currently living Catholic priests. I also retain my belief that most non-North American-based Lutherans will support this (as well as a significant number in North America).<\/p>\n<p>Now, as I do not personally know Kurt Koch, I am not saying that he is  necessarily   anything other than a loyal Catholic bishop and cardinal.  But    historically, those in ecumenical leaderships make statements that    suggest compromise&#8211;and I think he was telling the Lutherans that they will also have to compromise.<\/p>\n<p>An ecumenical unity for the world is coming (cf. Revelation 13:3-4) and it will not be faithful to the early and true apostolic traditions or sacred scripture.<\/p>\n<p>As I do not believe that Martin Luther ever truly believed in sola Scriptura, I also do not believe that the majority of Lutherans really do as well.\u00a0 That combined with their nearly Roman Catholic understanding of end-time prophecy has long suggested to me that they would be willing to entertain unity again with Rome.\u00a0 Most Lutherans and Catholics would do well to truly study early church history and try to understand it primarily in the light of sacred scripture.<\/p>\n<p><em>More details can be found in the following:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/luther.htm\"><em>Sola Scriptura <\/em>or <em>Prima Luther? <\/em>What Did Martin Luther Really Believe About the Bible?<\/a> Though he is known for his public <em>sola Scriptura <\/em>teaching, did Martin Luther&#8217;s writings about the Bible suggest he felt that <em>prima Luther<\/em> was his ultimate authority? Statements from him changing and\/or discounting 18 books of the Bible are   included.    Do you <em>really<\/em> want to know the truth?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/lutherhwa.htm\">The Similarities and Dissimilarities between Martin Luther and Herbert W. Armstrong<\/a> This article clearly shows some of the doctrinal differences between in  the two. At this time of doctrinal variety and a tendency by many to  accept certain aspects of Protestantism, the article should help clarify  why the Living Church of God is NOT Protestant.  Do you really know  what the Protestant Reformer Martin Luther taught and should you follow  his doctrinal example?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/john-calvin-tulip-predestination-anabaptists.htm\">John Calvin, Calvinism, TULIP, and What is Predestination?<\/a> Who was John Calvin? Did he believe in <em>sola Scriptura<\/em> or did he hold to unbiblical doctrines? TULIP analyzed.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/american-catholics-should-fear-unity-with-greek-orthodox.htm\">Why Should American Catholics Should Fear Unity with the Orthodox?<\/a> Are the current ecumenical meetings a good thing or will they result in disaster?<br \/>\n<a title=\"Permanent Link: Orthodox Must Reject Unity with the Roman Catholics\" rel=\"bookmark\" href=\"\/news\/prophecy\/orthodox-must-reject-unity-with-the-roman-catholics\/\">Orthodox Must Reject Unity with the Roman Catholics<\/a> The talks for unification involve compromise and the apparent rising up of a changed religion that no one should accept.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/orthodox.htm\">Some Similarities and Differences Between the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Living Church of God<\/a> Both groups claim to be the original church, but both groups have   differing ways to claim it. Both groups have some amazing similarities   and some major differences. Do you know what they are?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/catholic.htm\">Which Is Faithful: The Roman Catholic Church or the Living Church of God?<\/a> Do you know that both groups shared a lot of the earliest teachings? Do  you know which church changed? Do you know which group is most faithful  to the teachings of the apostolic church? Which group best represents  true Christianity? This documented article answers those questions. <a href=\"\/catolica-pt.html\">Portugu\u00eas: Qual \u00e9 fiel: A igreja cat\u00f3lica romana ou a igreja viva do deus?<\/a> Tambien <a href=\"\/catolica-es.htm\">Espa\u00f1ol: Cu\u00e1l es fiel: \u00bfLa iglesia cat\u00f3lica romana o La Iglesia del Dios Viviente?<\/a> Auch: <a href=\"\/katholische.htm\">Deutsch: Welches zuverl\u00e4ssig ist: Die R\u00f6misch-katholische Kirche oder die lebende Kirche von Gott?<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"\/salvation.htm\">Hope of Salvation: How the Living Church of God differ from most Protestants<\/a> How the Living Church of God differs from mainstream\/traditional  Protestants, is perhaps the question I am asked most by those without a  Church of God background.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/earlychristianity.htm\">The History of Early Christianity<\/a> Are you aware that what most people believe is not what truly happened  to the true Christian church? Do you know where the early church was  based? Do you know what were the doctrines of the early church?  <strong>Is your faith really based upon the truth or compromise?<\/strong><a href=\"\/era.htm\">The Churches of Revelation 2 &amp; 3<\/a> Do they matter? Most say they must, but act like they do not. This  article contains some history about the Church of God (sometimes  referred to as the continuation of Primitive Christianity) over the past  2000 years. It also discusses the concept of church eras.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/roman.htm\">What Do Roman Catholic Scholars Actually Teach About Early Church History?<\/a> Although most believe that the Roman Catholic Church history teaches   an unbroken line of succession of bishops beginning with Peter, with  stories about most of them, Roman Catholic scholars know the truth of  this matter. This eye-opening article is a must-read for any who really  wants to know what Roman Catholic history actually admits  about the  early church.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/Nazarene.htm\">Nazarene Christianity: Were the Original Christians Nazarenes?<\/a> Should Christians be Nazarenes today? What were the practices of the Nazarenes.<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/location.htm\">Location of the Early Church: Another Look at Ephesus, Smyrna, and Rome<\/a> What actually happened to the primitive Church? And did the Bible tell about this in advance?<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/apostolicsuccession.htm\">Apostolic Succession<\/a> What really happened? Did structure and beliefs change? Are many of the  widely-held current understandings of this even possible? Did you know  that Catholic scholars really do not believe that   several of the  claimed &#8220;apostolic sees&#8221; of the Orthodox have apostolic    succession&#8211;despite the fact that the current pontiff himself seems to  wish to   ignore this view?  Is there actually a true church that has  ties to any of the   apostles that is not part of the Catholic or  Orthodox churches?  Read this   article if you truly are interested in  the truth on this matter!<br \/>\n<a href=\"\/early-church-history.htm\">Early Church History: Who Were the Two Major Groups Professed Christ in the Second and Third Centuries?<\/a> Did you know that many in the second and third centuries felt that  there were two major, and separate, professing Christian groups in the  second century, but that those in the majority churches tend to now  blend the groups together and claim &#8220;saints&#8221; from both? &#8220;Saints&#8221; that  condemn some of their current beliefs. Who are the two groups?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kurt Koch COGwriter The ecumenical posturing from the Lutherans and the Vatican continues: &#8230;the head of the Lutheran Church council in Germany and the pope&#8217;s chief ecumenical officer publicly demonstrated how much is left to discuss. 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