{"id":87753,"date":"2024-05-28T00:01:50","date_gmt":"2024-05-28T08:01:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/?p=87753"},"modified":"2024-05-27T07:50:58","modified_gmt":"2024-05-27T15:50:58","slug":"is-is-appropriate-for-christians-to-say-amen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/doctrine\/is-is-appropriate-for-christians-to-say-amen\/","title":{"rendered":"Is is appropriate for Christians to say, “Amen”?"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"PRAYER<\/a><\/p>\n

COGwriter<\/a><\/p>\n

A while back, a Church of God News page<\/a> run by one who prefers his name not be reported, had the following:<\/p>\n

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House of God
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This is pastor Ron Harmon\u2019s letter of resignation from the House of God<\/a> in Texas:
\n\u201cTo The Wonderful People of the House of God:
\nUnknown to most of you there has been a spiritual struggle occurring within our congregations. It was a battle not of my choosing, but it caused much tension in our home. This last Sunday at our annual meeting of the consul and ministers of the House of God, it all came to a conclusion.
\nThis spiritual battle has been raging behind the scenes for many years bringing me to a final conclusion. I can\u2019t work effectively when others I work with are so consumed by my different beliefs on ending prayers, not allowing camaraderie to exist.
\nAs of Sunday (12th December 2017), Virginia and I are no longer members of the House of God. I won\u2019t get into the specifics for the sake of the church, only to say the following. I cannot go against my convictions and how I see the scriptures. There are some in the leadership of the church who seem to believe my salvation is lost because of what I believe on one issue. I can only say this, you might be careful how you judge others and their salvation.
\nI will be continuing the work in the ways I can from my home. I\u2019m not sure at this time how that will manifest itself, but the fact is, I can\u2019t stop serving God.
\nI wish everyone well and God\u2019s blessings. I\u2019ve always tried to help make everyone\u2019s lives a little better at the House of God and we hope you remember us fondly. Virginia and I are deeply saddened by what has transpired over the last few months. We are saddened to not be a part of your lives any longer, but we no longer feel welcomed, and we don\u2019t go where we\u2019re not welcomed.
\nGod Bless you all: Ron Harmon.\u201d<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

House of God seems to teach doctrines consistent with many COGs.<\/p>\n

Anyway, another source said, on July 16, 2017, that Ron Harmon sent someone the following:<\/p>\n

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I don’t believe for one second amen is one of Jesus names, nor is God or any other name we use and amen won’t be used in His kingdom.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It is not credible that God would invoke the name of an Egyptian god when he regarded himself as the only true God and his own name as above all names. \u201cI am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other…\u201d (Isaiah 42:8<\/a><\/a>).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Even the name Lord here is improper, should actually say Yahweh.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

But I don’t make folks adhere to the true translations either, I even try and not say the word lord, instead I use Eternal if I remember.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In John chapter one He is called the logo’s (word) and that is a correct interpretation as well.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

But scriptures have been manipulated in so many areas of the bible, its really a matter of where one draws the line.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The word wasn’t used before Israel went into captivity, while in captivity there is no evidence they kept their complete language pure or unbroken, it wouldn’t even be practical to believe so.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It also isn’t practical to assume they worshiped only the God of Israel, they didn’t.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It is the reason why the true God did what He did when He brought Israel out of Egypt.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I don’t want to go word for word on this with you, all I need to know is what is your solution?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I’m fine with leaving the issue as it is and not bringing it up, but if you want it expunged from Austin’s lexicon and Franks archives, you’ll have to address the whole Austin congregation about it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

One last thing, I don’t in any way consider it blasphemous to our true Father or Christ to limit ones words he uses, especially when affirming another’s prayers or statements.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Mathew 5:33 \u201cAgain you have heard that it was said to those of old, \u2018You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.\u2019 34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God\u2019s throne; 35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let your \u2018Yes\u2019 be \u2018Yes,\u2019 and your \u2018No,\u2019 \u2018No.\u2019 For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Mike if you feel so strongly about my stance on this, then I gladly step down and you can chart the way of the church for the future. I’m not so wrapped up in this position it would bother me to step aside at this time.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Until then, I’m glad to let those that want to use amen use it, and those that don’t, not do so.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

This has been my stance on the use of sacred names, and any other thing someone wants to believe.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

It’s my desire we can get this issue behind us and we can stay friends and fellow workers for Christ but I won’t be forced to do something I don’t believe in, and I wouldn’t expect you or any other person to do so either.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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God Bless.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

Presumably, this may have been a factor in Ron Harmon resigning. Interestingly, the second line above comes from an Australian website that denounces saying Amen, that he seems to have quoted in its entirety.<\/p>\n

What about closing prayers with Amen?<\/p>\n

Well, that is actually number 28 of the 28 tips on prayer in the CCOG booklet: Prayer: What Does the Bible Teach?<\/a><\/p>\n

Here is what tip 28 states:<\/p>\n

Tip Number 28: Close with Amen<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jesus ended the prayer He gave in Matthew 6 with the term \u201cAmen.\u201d In the \u201cReceived text,\u201d the Greek word is \u03ac\u03bc\u03b7\u03bd, transliterated as into Latin characters as \u201camen\u201d (anciently pronounced ah-min or ah-men). Nearly all the books of the New Testament end with the word \u201cAmen.\u201d<\/p>\n

Some do not like the word \u201cAmen.\u201d Some claim it is pagan and that using it is calling out to, or praying to, an Egyptian sun-god.<\/p>\n

However, \u201camen\u201d stems from the Hebrew verb aman (anciently pronounced ah-main) meaning \u201cto support, confirm, or rear up\u201d (Harkavy, Students\u2019 Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary<\/em>). The Hebrew word aman (\u05d0\u05de\u05df) differs from the word for the Egyptian god Amon used in the Bible (\u05df\u200e\u05d5\u05d0\u05b8\u05de\u200e). Yet, some falsely claim that saying \u201cAmen\u201d is actually a prayer to that pagan deity.<\/p>\n

Amen itself means \u201ctruly\u201d (Harkavy). Christians can say truly or verily if they wish (cf. Romans 14:23c), but most use the term \u201cAmen.\u201d<\/p>\n

Christ often used this word in the New Testament. In the King James Version, \u03ac\u03bc\u03b7\u03bd is often translated as \u201cverily.\u201d<\/p>\n

Basically, the word \u05d0\u05de\u05df\/\u03ac\u03bc\u03b7\u03bd signifies that you believe and agree with what was stated before.<\/p>\n

Believe what you pray. Have the right attitude. Amen.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

While some may say that saying Amen sounds too much like Amon (or that the sun-god\u2019s name is also sometimes pronounced as A-men), we do not stop using words just because they have a similar sound in English as pagan deities.<\/p>\n

For an example, one of the main Egyptian deities was Ra. People from certain parts of the USA pronounce the English word \u201craw\u201d as \u201crah.\u201d When one is speaking about something that is raw, one is not invoking a pagan deity. Ending prayers with Amen is also not invoking a pagan deity.<\/p>\n

Interestingly, after I wrote all of that for the prayer booklet, my family and I actually visited an Egyptian museum in Northern California last month. And there, I was also able to confirm that the way we say ‘Amen’ is not the way that the Egyptian god is addressed. Those who claim otherwise apparently have not looked at this in sufficient detail and\/or have dismissed Hebrew and Greek scriptures.<\/p>\n

It is appropriate to end prayers with Amen.<\/p>\n

More tips on and information on prayer are in the free online booklet: Prayer: What Does the Bible Teach?<\/a><\/p>\n

Let me also state that those who try to force the Yahweh issue are pushing a doctrine that is not consistent at all with the New Testament or the early Christian church. Proof of that can be found in the articles The Bible, Church History, and Sacred Names<\/a><\/span> and Was the New Testament Written in Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic?<\/a><\/p>\n

The ‘sacred name’ arguments and non-use of Amen are NOT Philadelphian Church of God<\/a> teachings.<\/p>\n

Some items of possibly related interest may include:<\/em><\/p>\n

Prayer: What Does the Bible Teach?<\/a> People talk a lot about prayer. Many pray in public. Does God listen? What does the Bible teach about prayer? How can your prayers be more effective? Does the Bible give particular positions to pray in? What does God want you to pray for? What if what you want is difficult? What if what you want is humanly impossible? Why doesn\u2019t God seem to answer all prayers? This free booklet answers all those questions and more. This contains 28 biblically-based tips on improving the effectiveness of your prayers. This is a pdf. A related two part sermon is available: What Does the Bible Teach About Prayer?<\/a> and What does the Bible Teach About Prayer (& Healing)?<\/a>
\nWhat Should I Pray About?<\/a> An old article by Lynn Torrance on prayer.
\nWas the New Testament Written in Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic?<\/a> What language was the New Testament written in? Does it make any difference? What about sacred names? Did the Apostle Paul ever teach in Greek?The Bible, Church History, and Sacred Names<\/a><\/span> What are ‘sacred names’? What is Jesus’ Old Testament name? Is the use of sacred names a subject of salvation or a false gospel? Must we refer to our Saviour as Yahweh or Yashua? A related sermon is available: Sacred Names: True or False Gospel?<\/a><\/span> A related article in the Spanish language is La Biblia, la historia de la Iglesia, y los nombres sagrados<\/a>.
\nDoes God Heal Today?<\/a> This historical article is by Herbert Armstrong and provides his views circa 1952, which he seemed to later modify, at least to some degree.
\nTen Simple Rules that Lead to Health<\/a> Herbert Armstrong gives his opinions on this.
\nImportance of Fasting <\/a>An old article by Herbert W. Armstrong<\/a> on this subject.
\nFaith for those God has Called and Chosen<\/a> What is faith? Can faith be increased? Are you saved by faith? What about works? Do Christians need to keep the Ten Commandments? What is the ‘faith chapter’? How do the just live by faith? Is faith one of the weightier matters of the law? How does faith come? Here is a link to a pdf. booklet titled Faith for Those God has Called and Chosen<\/a>. Marque aqu\u00ed para ver el pdf folleto: Fe para aquellos que Dios ha llamado y escogido<\/a>.Here is a link to a related sermon titled: Faith for the Called and Chosen<\/a>. Here is a link to shorter version of the written article in Mandarin Chinese \u4e00\u7bc7\u5173\u4e8e\u4fe1\u4ef0\u7684\u5c0f\u6587\u7ae0<\/a>
\nChristians: Ambassadors for the Kingdom of God, Biblical instructions on living as a Christian<\/a> This is a scripture-filled booklet for those wishing to live as a real Christian. A related sermon is also available: Christians are Ambassadors for the Kingdom of God<\/a>. Here is a video in Spanish: \u00bfQu\u00e9 es un verdadero cristiano?<\/a>
\nLiving as a Christian: How and Why?<\/a> In what ways do Christians live differently than others. What about praying, fasting, tithing, holy days, and the world? There are also two YouTube video related to this: Living as a Christian: How and Why? <\/a> and Living as a Christian: Pure Milk of the Word<\/a>.
\n5. The Sardis Church Era<\/a> was predominant circa 1600 A.D. to circa 1933 A.D. Discusses some early history of the Seventh Day Baptists<\/a>, Seventh-day Adventists<\/a>, CG7-Salem<\/a>, Jerusalem 7DCG<\/a>, and COG-7th Day-Denver<\/a>. Here are two historical sermons: Sardis Church Era: Beginnings, Doctrines, and Leaders<\/a> and Sardis: SDBs, SDAs, & CG7s<\/a>.
\n6. The Philadelphia Church Era<\/a> was predominant circa 1933 A.D. to 1986 A.D. The old Radio Church of God and old Worldwide Church of God, now the remnant of that era is basically the most faithful in the Church of God, like who hold to the beliefs and practices of the Continuing<\/a><\/em> Church of God<\/a>.
\n7. The Laodicean Church Era <\/a>has been predominant circa 1986 A.D. to present. The Laodiceans are non-Philadelphians who mainly descended from the old WCG or its offshoots.\u00a0 They do not properly understand the work or biblical prophecies and will face the Great Tribulation<\/a> if they do not repent. One video of related interest is 50+ Laodicean Prophetic Errors<\/a>. See also Do You Hold to Any of These Laodicean Prophetic Errors?<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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