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\nLogo of the Restored Church of God<\/em><\/p>\n

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On the anti-COG site, Banned by HWA<\/a>, Marc Cebrian posted the following on 12\/15\/24 related to the Restored Church of God<\/a> (RCG):<\/p>\n

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David C. Pack Declared Jesus Christ Would Return
\non December 16, 2024.
\nBut then taught maybe on January 15, 2025.
\nThen maybe on December 31, 2024.
\nThen maybe on March 29, 2025.<\/strong><\/p>\n

The inexplicable madness of The Restored Church of God continues. A prime example of the biblical lunacy the members are willing to endure centers around Pastor General David C. Pack declaring that the start of the 1335 in the book of Daniel brings salvation and Jesus Christ on December 16, 2024.<\/p>\n

He taught this with \u201cimpossible it\u2019s wrong\u201d proofs during \u201cThe Greatest Untold Story! (Part 545)\u201d on November 16, 2024 and promised even more evidence was coming.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

According to David Pack, Jesus was supposed to return on December 16 at 9:37 AM ET–but Jesus did not. I denounced that as not possible at the News of those once affiliated with the Global Church of God <\/a><\/span>site, and of course was correct.<\/p>\n

Nor did the 1335 days of Daniel 12 start today, December 16, 2024.<\/p>\n

Claiming the start of the 1335 days again, is another do-over by RCG.<\/p>\n

Just over two years ago, Restored Church of God<\/a> (RCG) had put out the following:<\/p>\n

Prophecy Update \u2013 October 24, 2022<\/strong><\/p>\n

Good evening brethren!<\/p>\n

By every account, the mysteries revealed in parts 400 and 401 have electrified the Church.<\/p>\n

Everything we learned \u2013 including the arrival of the 1335 tomorrow morning \u2013 remains certain. However, additional STUNNING mysteries have come clear! We may wait a bit into the month of Cheshvan \u2013 at least long enough for a part 402 explaining these things that everyone must hear. Our wait is not long.<\/p>\n

You will want to hear this message about an hour as soon as it is posted, likely tomorrow evening!<\/p>\n

Church Administration<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

No, the 1335 days did not start on October 25, 2022 as the above was teaching. RCG has so many obvious prophetic failures and doctrinal errors that it is astounding any are still with it. Regarding the 1335 days and being “certain” it began then or this morning, RCG is certainly wrong.<\/p>\n

Why?<\/p>\n

Well, the seven year agreement with Israel referred to in Daniel 9:27 has not occurred yet–and since the 1290 days of Daniel 12:10 does not begin until the middle of this seven year agreement, it is not possible that the 1335 days could have began on October 25, 2022 nor December 16, 2024. The daily sacrifices (see Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:10) have not even started yet, and are not about to this year (the Jews will not start them until they have a red heifer that is old enough next year).<\/p>\n

As far as the 1335 days go, twice back in 2008, I denounced Ronald Weinland for declaring (on two different dates) that the 1335 days had begun (see CGPKG: Concerns About Ronald Weinland’s Church of God-Preparing for the Kingdom of God<\/a>). In 2009, I denounced the now late James Malm for his false claim about the start of the 1335 days of Danial 12 (see also Shining Light: Error-Ridden James Malm Not Doing an Elijah Work<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Here are passages in Daniel, including the one that mentions the 1335 days:<\/p>\n

4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”<\/p>\n

5 Then I, Daniel, looked; and there stood two others, one on this riverbank and the other on that riverbank. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?”<\/p>\n

7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.<\/p>\n

8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?”<\/p>\n

9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.<\/p>\n

11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.<\/p>\n

13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.” (Daniel 12:4-13)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The countdown of the 1335 days did not start today.<\/p>\n

That said, back in 2016, David Pack took a stand against a teaching of Herbert W. Armstrong<\/a> with his sermon on the 1335 days of Daniel. Notice what RCG’s website stated:<\/p>\n

While many understand what happens 1,260 days before Christ returns, as well as what happens 30 days earlier (the 1,290 date), no one understands what happens at the 1,335 days, referenced in Daniel 12:12 (NEWS AND UPDATES. Date: 2007-11-16 New Sermon. http:\/\/www.thercg.org\/news.html viewed 11\/21\/07).<\/p>\n

…one elder commented here at headquarters, if people can’t be motivated by a clarion call to finish the work such as this, why will those same people somehow believe the internal signal given to the church of the 1335? Why would they believe it? (Pack DC. Clarion Call — The Time is NOW! Sermon of 11\/03\/07).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Apparently David Pack has not read what Herbert W. Armstrong<\/a> taught about this as Herbert W. Armstrong<\/a> basically did understand it–and it is not an internal signal.<\/p>\n

Furthermore, notice what Jesus taught:<\/p>\n

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15 “…Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet<\/strong>, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains (Matthew 24:15-16).<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Now, here is some of what Herbert W. Armstrong<\/a> taught about the beginning of the 1335 days:<\/p>\n

And the abomination that maketh desolate set up.” What is this abomination? This refers to Daniel 11:31 and Matthew 24:15…From this time (Daniel 12:11) to Christ’s coming will be 1290 days. Now, verse 12, “Blessed is he that waiteth, and comes to the 1335 days.” Never before have we understood these periods of 1260, 1290. and 1335 days<\/strong>. But it seems evident, now, a blessing is pronounced on us–GOD”S CHURCH–who wait and endure until the 1335 days–approximately 1335 days prior to Christ’s coming. But since no one can know the day or hour of His coming, we probably shall not be able to know the exact day this 1335 days begins. But apparently that is the time when OUR WORK SHALL END. That will be a time when the UNITED Europe shall appea<\/strong>r–the revival of the medieval “Holy Roman Empire.” (Armstrong HW. Personal. Good News magazine January 1980).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The organized work of proclamation has not stopped. The abomination of desolation has not been set up. The 1335 days have not begun!<\/p>\n

As his writing above shows,<\/span> Herbert W. Armstrong clearly wrote that there would be a future fulfillment of Daniel 11:31 and other verses in Daniel. And as the above shows, he taught that something would afflict the Church\/work forty-five days prior to Daniel 11:31. <\/strong>And that around when the revival of the “Holy Roman Empire”–which scripture shows will be led by the King of the North–will occur and the 1335 days will begin (which is apparently 75 days prior to the start of the Great Tribulation). Hence those writings support the idea of looking at the few verses prior to Daniel 11:31 to see what might stop the work, and that is consistent with the intent of what he wrote. In addition, Matthew 24:14, which comes just before Matthew 24:15, states that the gospel will be preached and then the end will <\/span>come, thus this is another reason why confirmation for the organized work ending should be found prior to Daniel 11:31 or perhaps Daniel 11:33 as many will be reached then. The formation of that revival of the ‘Holy Roman Empire’ will occur once Europe reorganizes and gives power to the Beast (Revelation 17:12-13)–that has not happened yet (see also Must the Ten Kings of Revelation 17:12 Rule over Ten Currently Existing Nations?<\/a> and The European Union and the Seven Kings of Revelation 17<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Because the 1290 days starts with Daniel 11:31, the 1335 days must begin prior to that, such as in Daniel 11:28 or 11:30–a time of persecution for the Philadelphians. The basic understanding that the old WCG had was that the Philadelphian Christians may have up to 75 days notice that the Great Tribulation would start, and that they would need to flee per Revelation 12:14-16. The idea is\/was that one would wait 1335 days, as Daniel 12 states, that being 1260 days in a place of safety plus the 75 days prior (1260 + 75 = 1335). And essentially a famine of the word would occur.<\/p>\n

David Pack is wrong on the start of the 1335 days.<\/p>\n

Despite being wrong on many prophetic matters, notice another claim from David Pack:<\/p>\n

You have come in contact with the only Church on the face of the earth that truly understands prophecy. On The World to Come<\/em> program, we teach the meaning of today\u2019s events, and what lies ahead for the world\u2014and do so in detail. (Pack D. Did God Send Nostradamus? Real Truth, January 12, 2010).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Those who believe that statement from David Pack are being severely misled as he and his church clearly misunderstand various aspects of prophecy (as well as other biblical matters). Notice something that David Pack posted on June 7, 2013:<\/p>\n

Brethren will again be unified under one leader.<\/em><\/span>…Like so many other elements explained in this series, these governments will be miraculously CLOSED DOWN and SOON!<\/span>…<\/p>\n

In two weeks <\/em>after one more important set up announcement I will announce the year<\/em> and very day<\/em> that this reunification will happen. But I am not a prophet! Understand. I have NO AUTHORITY to make my own proclamations about anything<\/em> regarding prophecy.<\/span> (Pack D. \u201cBACK TOGETHER\u201d What This Means!<\/span> : June 7, 2013)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

David Pack is correct that he is not a prophet and that he has “NO AUTHORITY to make” his “own proclamations about anything regarding prophecy.” Furthermore, the other COGs did not get closed down soon from 2013. Additionally in 2013, someone told me that David Pack had made some outrageous claims in one or more of his sermons that he did not have in his weekly posts. Some notes from someone who listened to David Pack’s sermon back then were sent to me. Here are some of statements that he sent me that he said he heard David Pack make:<\/p>\n

All Brethren United Soon Part 12<\/strong><\/p>\n

How could so many things happen in 24 hours?<\/p>\n

Minute 26. Three men die- Elul 24, then everyone makes a decision that day.<\/p>\n

Minute 29. Certain things about this prophesy is very complex, others are very simple.<\/p>\n

Minute 30. No way everything could happen in one day.<\/p>\n

Minute 32. Do you care most how the 3 Shephard\u2019s die?\u00a0 In their sleep, by fire?<\/p>\n

Do you care who they are?<\/p>\n

If God tells us then I want to know otherwise it doesn\u2019t matter.<\/p>\n

You are going to find out how they die and who they are.<\/p>\n

Minute 33. I know their names 100% sure. Don\u2019t want the names out yet. Now I\u2019m certain I know.<\/p>\n

Do you care where it happens? I don\u2019t know where it will happen.<\/p>\n

I know how they die and who they are. I\u2019m certain.<\/p>\n

Minute 34. How about when they die?\u00a0 They die sooner then we thought.<\/p>\n

Do they die together or separately. I know they die together.<\/p>\n

Two culminating events. The death of these men is the first. The central point is God is going to bring his people back together\/unify his people.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The ’24 hours’ was supposed to be August 30, 2013. This did not happen (and if I was supposed to be one of the three shepherds that was supposed to die, like one who sent me the notes told me I was, it didn’t happen–nor did any other known COG leaders die that day). David Pack’s speculations were proven to be wrong.<\/p>\n

Hopefully many in RCG will realize that David Pack was truly wrong.<\/p>\n

David Pack has made many wrong prophetic announcements, misunderstands prophecy, and has been misleading people prophetically.<\/p>\n

To learn more about the role and requirements to be a prophet please check out the article How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God<\/a> (there is also a sermon-length video titled How to determine if someone is a true prophet of God<\/a>; here is a related link in Spanish\/Espa\u00f1ol:\u00bfC\u00f3mo determinar si alguien es un verdadero profeta de Dios?<\/a>).<\/em><\/p>\n

Speaking of prophecy, I once recall hearing David Pack in a sermon (c. 2007) blast Dr. Meredith of LCG<\/a> when he said that the end was more than seven years away. Dr. Meredith, of course, was right on that, but David Pack has not seemed to issue an apology.<\/p>\n

David Pack has been wrong about many matters and many dates. I have long doubted his conversion, and his wrong prophetic pronouncements, in my view, continue to support my doubting.<\/p>\n

That said, more on the 1335 days can be found in articles such as Who is the King of the North?<\/a> and The ‘Peace Deal’ of Daniel 9:27<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n

Some items of possibly related interest might include:<\/em><\/p>\n

RCG: Why Not the Restored Church of God?<\/a> This group, led by David Pack, claims to be the most faithful. The information in this article suggests otherwise. Here is a version in the Spanish language: \u00bfPor qu\u00e9 no la Iglesia de Dios Restaurada?<\/a>
\nWhy Be Concerned About False and Heretical Leaders?<\/a> There have been many false leaders\u2013here is some of why you should be concerned about them. Here is a related article in the Spanish language \u00bfPor qu\u00e9 estar preocupado acerca de falsos y her\u00e9ticos l\u00edderes?<\/a>
\nThe Elijah Heresies<\/a> Does the Bible teach that there will be a future Elijah? Must it be Herbert W. Armstrong? Two related sermons are available Elijah: Prophecies and Heresies<\/a> and Elijah, Herbert W. Armstrong, and CCOG<\/a>.
\nHow To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God<\/a> There are many false prophets. How can Christians determine who is a true prophet? There is also a sermon-length video titled How to determine if someone is a true prophet of God<\/a>. Here is a related link in Spanish\/espa\u00f1ol: \u00bfC\u00f3mo determinar si alguien es un verdadero profeta de Dios?<\/a>
\nChurch of God Leaders on Prophets<\/a> Have there been prophets throughout the church age? Are any supposed to be around in the last days? What have COG leaders stated or written about prophets? Here is a link to a related sermon: Church of God Leaders on Prophets<\/a>.
\n21st Century Church of God Prophets<\/a> Are there any true prophets in the 21st century? What about false prophets? What are scriptures and fruits to identify the true from the false? You you prove all things and test the spirits?
\nHerbert W. Armstrong, the Philadelphia Church, & the Mantle<\/a> Herbert Armstrong claims God had him raise the Philadelphia up. Are there reasons to believe that the Philadelphia mantle in now within the CCOG? Here is a link to a related sermon: Herbert W. Armstrong and the Philadelphia Mantle<\/a>.
\nHow does the Continuing<\/em> Church of God differ from other Sabbatarian COG groups?<\/a> There are scores of different groups claiming to be Church of God. How is the Continuing<\/em> Church of God different?
\nLeading the Final Phase of the Work<\/a> Matthew 24:14 will be fulfilled and RCG is not the group doing this. Who is leading the final phase of the work? What did Herbert Armstrong and the old WCG teach about that and about prophets? Does Bob Thiel meet the criteria that the Bible and the old WCG set? What is the proof? What has the Continuing<\/em> Church of God<\/a> been doing?
\nThe Philadelphia Church Era and Remnant<\/a> Though the era was predominant circa 1933 A.D. to 1986 A.D., but a remnant has continued. The old Radio Church of God and old Worldwide Church of God were part of the era, and now the remnant of that era is basically the most faithful in the Church of God, like who hold to the beliefs and practices of the Continuing<\/a><\/em> Church of God<\/a>. Here is a link to a related sermon: Philadelphia Church Era: History & Teachings<\/a>.
\n The Laodicean Church Era <\/a>has been predominant circa 1986 A.D. to present. The Laodiceans are non-Philadelphians who mainly descended from the old WCG or its offshoots.\u00a0 They do not properly understand the work or biblical prophecies and will face the Great Tribulation<\/a> if they do not repent. One video of related interest is 50+ Laodicean Prophetic Errors<\/a>. See also Do You Hold to Any of These Laodicean Prophetic Errors?<\/a>
\nAre the Laodiceans the Modern Sadducees and Pharisees?<\/a> Discusses similarities of the Sadducees and Pharisees to various COGs in this end-time.
\nThe ‘Peace Deal’ of Daniel 9:27<\/a> This prophecy could give up to 3 1\/2 years advance notice of the coming Great Tribulation. Will most ignore or misunderstand its fulfillment? Here is a link to a related sermon video Daniel 9:27 and the Start of the Great Tribulation<\/a>. A short video is also available titled Trump\u2019s Deal of the Century and Daniel 9 27?<\/a> Here is a link to something related in the Spanish language: Estados \u00c1rabes emiratos unidos y el tratado de paz en el medio este<\/a>.
\nWho is the King of the North?<\/a> Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies for the Great Monarch point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11? Is a nuclear attack prophesied to happen to the English-speaking peoples of the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand<\/span>? When do the 1335 days, 1290 days, and 1260 days (the time, times, and half a time) of Daniel 12 begin? When does the Bible show that economic collapse will affect the United States? In the Spanish language check out \u00bfQui\u00e9n es el Rey del Norte? <\/a>Here are links to two related videos: The King of the North is Alive: What to Look Out For<\/a> and The Future King of the North<\/a>.
\nDoes the CCOG have the confirmed signs of Acts 2:17-18?<\/a> Does any church have the confirmed dream and prophetic signs of Acts 2:17-18? Should one? Here is a link in the Spanish language: \u00bfTiene la CCOG confirmadas las se\u00f1ales de Hechos 2: 17-18?<\/a> Here is a link in the French language: Est-ce que l\u2019\u00c9glise Continue de Dieu confirme les signes d\u2019Actes 2:17-18?<\/a> A related sermon in the English language is also available: 17 Last Days\u2019 Signs of the Holy Spirit<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Logo of the Restored Church of God   On the anti-COG site, Banned by HWA, Marc Cebrian posted the following on 12\/15\/24 related to the Restored Church of God (RCG): David C. Pack Declared Jesus Christ Would Return on December 16, 2024. But then taught maybe on January 15, 2025. Then maybe on December 31, […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-92175","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-cog-news"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t