{"id":95491,"date":"2025-08-25T00:01:12","date_gmt":"2025-08-25T08:01:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/?p=95491"},"modified":"2025-08-25T04:21:11","modified_gmt":"2025-08-25T12:21:11","slug":"pcgs-gerald-flurry-and-radiocgs-dr-herman-hoeh-disagree-on-daniel-8","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cogwriter.com\/news\/prophecy\/pcgs-gerald-flurry-and-radiocgs-dr-herman-hoeh-disagree-on-daniel-8\/","title":{"rendered":"PCG’s Gerald Flurry and Radio COG’s Dr. Herman Hoeh disagree on Daniel 8"},"content":{"rendered":"

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In an article titled Satan\u2019s Destructive Battle Plan<\/em>, PCG’s<\/a> Gerald Flurry had the following:<\/p>\n

The Prophet Daniel addressed his end-time book to spiritual Israel, or the Church, and two nations of Israel: America and Britain. … We must watch for an Antiochus-type in both the Church and the nation today. …<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s take another look at this pivotal passage in Daniel. \u201cThe host of heaven\u201d from Daniel 8:10 is translated \u201cthe host of the stars\u201d in the Revised Standard Version. The stars, or the angels of God, help God\u2019s people when they obey. We lose that help when we rebel. A hideous invisible force stamped<\/em> on God\u2019s own Church \u201cby reason of transgression\u201d\u2014because of the people\u2019s sins! This happened after Mr. Armstrong\u2019s death in 1986. It is happening in America right now. (For more information, request our free booklet America Under Attack.<\/em>)<\/p>\n

The word \u201chost\u201d is a military term. Strong\u2019s Concordance<\/em> defines it this way: \u201ca mass of persons, especially organized for war; and soldiers; army. The expression also means to muster soldiers for warfare. Host can refer to an army of demons, angels or men.\u201d God has an army of angels and saints; Satan has an army of demons and men, in this case sinning saints turning away from God. This is a real war! Spiritual war is more dangerous than any physical war.<\/p>\n

Verse 11 should read, \u201cYea, he magnified himself<\/em> even against the prince of the host, and by him the daily \u2026 was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.\u201d Satan and his army violently confronted the \u201cprince of the host,\u201d or Jesus Christ! Christ explains the meaning of this prophecy to His loyal remnant.<\/p>\n

The end-time religious Antiochus subverted God\u2019s Church from within. \u201cAnd an host was given him against the daily \u2026 by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered\u201d (verse 12). \u201cIt,\u201d or the demon army, \u201ccast down the truth to the ground.\u201d Antiochus is a physical man swayed by Satan to overthrow the Church. The real power comes from the demon army. For 1,150 days, God gave no new truth to His people. For 1,150 days, Satan suppressed the gospel message (Daniel 8:14; English Standard Version).<\/p>\n

Here\u2019s what I wrote in America Under Attack<\/em>:<\/p>\n

The obvious question arises, why would God allow such a terrible thing to happen? The answer is back in Daniel 8:12. That verse describes this satanic spirit army wreaking destruction within God\u2019s Church. And notice: It says it was \u201cby reason of transgression.\u201d<\/em> The sins of the people<\/em> gave Satan his opening. Their prayers to God are not<\/em> being answered. That is why Antiochus can do all of his dirty work: because there\u2019s so much sin going on inside Israel. \u2026 The sin within gave the devil his opening. Once Satan got inside, he went right into the sanctuary,<\/em> working through the leaders at the top, and cast the truth to the ground! That is how Satan destroyed God\u2019s Church.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

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Gerald Flurry has been pushing his false notions about what happened to the old Worldwide Church of God for decades. One of his false premises has to do with his original view that Joseph Tkach, Sr. was the ‘man of sin’ in 2 Thessalonians 2, but after he died, Gerald Flurry switched it to supposedly being his son Joseph Tkach, Jr. This is absurd and wrong. As it sadly turns out, most COG groups do not understand who the ‘man of sin is.’ For details on that, check out the article Who is the Man of Sin of 2 Thessalonians 2?<\/a><\/p>\n

PCG<\/a>, like some others, makes odd claims about the past that are not accurate:<\/p>\n

The PCG is the only<\/em> Church that holds onto ALL of what Christ established through Mr. Armstrong (Flurry, Gerald and Leap, Dennis. Ezra and Nehemiah: Building God’s Temple. Booklet. 1997. p.29). <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The late evangelist Dr. Herman Hoeh worked for Herbert W. Armstrong<\/a> for decades. Here is some of what he wrote, that was published in the August 1965 edition of the Plain Truth<\/em> magazine of the old Radio Church of God (which was renamed the Worldwide Church of God a few years later) about Daniel 8:<\/p>\n

What the “Little Horn” Will Do<\/strong><\/p>\n

Continue with this amazing prophecy for the latter days!<\/p>\n

“And it {the little horn} waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. Yea, he magnified himself even to the Prince of the host, and BY HIM THE DAILY SACRIFICE WAS TAKEN AWAY, AND THE PLACE OF HIS SANCTUARY WAS CAST DOWN” (Dan. 8:10-11).<\/p>\n

The next verse \u2014 12 \u2014 is not clearly translated in the King James Version. It reads: “And a host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression” \u2014 the margin reads: “the host was given over for the transgression against the daily sacrifice” \u2014 “and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.” A clearer rendering of verse 12 is found in the Jewish translation: “And the host was given over to it [the little horn] together with the continual burnt-offering through transgression.<\/p>\n

Many have attempted to interpret these mysterious symbols out of their own human reasoning. They have tried to read into the Bible meanings that are not there. Let THE BIBLE interpret the Bible!<\/p>\n

The explanation of verse 10 is revealed in verse 24: “And his {the little horn’s} power shall be mighty.” That’s the explanation of the first part of verse 10: “it waxed great.”<\/p>\n

To continue with verse 24: “But not by his own power.” This king will not accomplish his great deeds by his own strength. Revelation 17:17 reveals why. Ten lesser kings GIVE THEIR MILITARY POWER AND STRENGTH “unto the Beast.”<\/p>\n

This little horn (Dan 8:24) “shall destroy wonderfully” \u2014 shall have marvelous, frightening military powers “and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people” (verse 24).<\/p>\n

Here is a persecuting power, a union of church and state, which destroys the hosts \u2014 armies \u2014 of the “mighty people” \u2014 God’s people Israel. That includes not only the Jews \u2014 the House of Judah, but the whole English-speaking world \u2014 the House of Israel, the so-called Lost Ten Tribes! …<\/p>\n

The “little horn” also persecutes the true Church \u2014 the “holy people” who shall shine in the resurrection like the stars of heaven (compare Dan. 8:10 and 24 with Dan. 12:3). …<\/p>\n

NOT Heavenly Sanctuary!<\/strong><\/p>\n

Turn to Daniel 8:11. See the BIBLE answer with your own eyes:<\/p>\n

“Yea, he {the “little horn”} magnified himself even to the Prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.”<\/p>\n

The margin in the King James Version provides an alternative rendering. Instead of “by him” \u2014 meaning the “little horn” \u2014 it has “from him” \u2014 meaning the Prince of the host. The original inspired Hebrew can be translated both ways into English. Either translation is correct.<\/p>\n

But notice what this scripture says! The daily sacrifice is to be taken away! The sanctuary is to be cast down! Now consider: IF the daily sacrifice is, as some believe, the daily work of Christ in heaven, then a mortal man \u2014 the “little horn” \u2014 would have power to intervene IN HEAVEN and STOP THE WORK OF JESUS CHRIST!<\/p>\n

Further, IF the “sanctuary” were in heaven, he would have the power to “cast down” the sanctuary \u2014 the very throne of God in heaven! IMPOSSIBLE!<\/p>\n

No man can stop Jesus Christ from performing His work in heaven! No man \u2014 no ruler \u2014 not even the devil himself \u2014 can cast down the throne of God and profane His Holy Sanctuary!<\/p>\n

Then what is the meaning of this astounding prophecy for our day?<\/p>\n

The Bible Answer<\/strong><\/p>\n

First read verses 13 and 14 of Daniel 8:<\/p>\n

“Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, ‘How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?’ And he said unto me, ‘Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.'”<\/p>\n

Another enigma! This answer to this mysterious time period was hidden from Daniel’s understanding \u2014 was not to be revealed until the latter days! …<\/p>\n

The King of the North <\/strong><\/p>\n

The little horn in Daniel 8 is none other than the LAST KING of one of the four divisions of Alexander’s Empire. He is, in fact, the final “King of the North” described in Daniel 11. … That “little horn” \u2014 the final “king of the north” \u2014 is about to manifest himself on the world scene! (Hoeh H. The 2300 Days. Plain Truth, August 1965)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

So, Dr. Hoeh believed that the little horn had to do with the power that would become the King of the North<\/a>. A power that has been developing in Europe that will be led by this King after two prophesied reorganizations (Revelation 17:12-13).<\/p>\n

In 2009, I, Bob Thiel, wrote the following in my book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Daniel 9:26\u201327 and the Rise of the European King of the North . . .
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Now, in the book of Daniel there is another prophecy related to the end times that states:<\/p>\n

26<\/sup> And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. 27<\/sup> Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined,
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Notice that there is a \u201cprince to come\u201d from the people who destroy \u201cthe city\u201d (probably Jerusalem; cf. Revelation 11:2) and that he will stop sacrifices and be related to an abomination that brings desolation. This leader will apparently change from a peaceful one to a militaristic one (cf. Isaiah 10:5\u201311).<\/p>\n

There are several reasons for referring to a future top leader from a developing superpower rising in Europe. (cf. Isaiah 10:5-11). The Roman Empire, however, offers the most compelling reason to suspect that this leader will arise in Europe. Much of the current European Union (EU) covers areas once controlled by the old Roman Empire. The people of the Roman Empire fulfilled the portion of Daniel 9:26 in the 1st<\/sup> century as they destroyed the city (Jerusalem) in 70 A.D. And verse 27 refers to the \u201cprince\u201d coming from the people who had destroyed that city. Hence, this prophecy tells us that a leader will start to rise up about 3 1\/2 years before the great tribulation.<\/p>\n

There is another reason to suspect that the area involves the territories of Europe. Millennia ago, Daniel wrote a prophecy that discussed a little horn that would mainly expand to the south and east:<\/p>\n

8 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land<\/em>. <\/em>10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. <\/em>11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices<\/em> were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. <\/em>12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices<\/em>; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered<\/em> (Daniel 8:9-12).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

And while the above has had a past fulfillment, this prophecy seems to be dual (compare with Daniel 11:27-\u201339)\u2014and seems to be for our time. …<\/p>\n

In the Book of Daniel, a leader called \u201cthe King of the North\u201d is mentioned.<\/p>\n

And the Bible seems to show similarities between him and the \u201cprince to come.\u201d (Thiel B. 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect. Nazarene Books, 2009, pp. 80-82)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Here is something from my article on the King of the North<\/a>:<\/p>\n

Notice something from Daniel 8:<\/p>\n

9 And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 10 And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. 11 He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. 12 Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered. (Daniel 8:9-12)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

So, something small will develop into an empire–this is a European empire. Consider that it is a ‘prince’ who takes away the daily sacrifices in Daniel 9:27<\/a>, and that he is also called the King of the North (Daniel 11:40) who stops the sacrifices in Daniel 11:31.<\/p>\n

As far as the sequence of Daniel 11 goes, notice that Herbert W. Armstrong wrote the following:<\/p>\n

In Daniel 11:21, referring in original, typical fulfillment to Antiochus Epiphanes, there shall stand up a vile person…So once again before the second coming of Christ, a vile leader will stop the daily sacrifices being offered…This same prophecy spoken by Jesus is also reported by Luke…21:20-24 (Armstrong HW. Personal, Plain Truth magazine, June 1967).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Thus, Herbert W. Armstrong clearly taught that starting at least from verse 21, that Daniel 11 had a dual\/future fulfillment. We are getting very close to the fulfillment of Daniel 11:21.<\/p>\n

This same vile leader, who appears at the “appointed time” of “the end” is described without that title in Daniel 8:<\/p>\n

19 And he said, “Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end shall be…23 “And in the latter time of their kingdom, When the transgressors have reached their fullness, A king shall arise<\/strong>, Having fierce features, Who understands sinister schemes. 24 His power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; He shall destroy fearfully, And shall prosper and thrive; He shall destroy the mighty, and also the holy people. 25 “Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; But he shall be broken without human means. 26 “And the vision of the evenings and mornings Which was told is true; Therefore seal up the vision, For it refers to many days in the future.” (Daniel 8:19,23-26)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

This King is also the “Beast” that the ten kings give their power to in Revelation 17:12-13.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

So while PCG<\/a> teaches that Daniel 8 had to do with the apostasy that hit the old Worldwide Church of God (for more related to that see The Falling Away: The Bible and WCG Teachings<\/a>), Dr. Hoeh and I both taught that Daniel 8 is an end time prophecy tying in with the final European King of the North<\/a>.<\/p>\n

While Satan did influence the leadership of the WCG after the death of Herbert W. Armstrong, that was NOT the fulfillment of Daniel 8.<\/p>\n

We are currently seeing a power starting to rise up in Europe that will fulfill those prophecies.<\/p>\n

Of course, Satan still has a plan, and information related to it is in the article simply titled Satan’s Plan<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n

Related to Daniel 8, as well as the 6th and 7th chapters, the Continuing<\/em> Church of God<\/a> has the following sermon on its ContinuingCOG <\/a>channel:<\/p>\n

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Daniel 6-8: Four Beasts and the King of the North<\/a><\/h3>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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This is the third part of a multi-sermon series intended to cover the Book of Daniel. This sermon covers each and every verse of the 6th, 7th, and 8th chapters of the Book of Daniel. In its introduction, Dr. Thiel dispels the views of anti-biblical scholars who claim that King Darius the Mede was a fictional \u201cliterary figure\u201d that did not exist, by pointing to historical accounts that support the Book of Daniel on this point\u2013he also suggests that evidence points to King Cyaxares II, son of Astyages, as being the one called Darius the Mede. The sermon covers chapter 6 where Daniel being tossed in the lion\u2019s den for prayer, God stopping the mouth of lions, the destruction of the flatters who had Daniel tossed in, and Darius decreeing that Daniel\u2019s God has an everlasting kingdom. In chapter 7, items including Daniel\u2019s dream related to the \u201cGreat Sea\u201d being a reference to the Mediterranean Sea, the identity of the four beasts he saw (lion-Babylon; bear-Medo-Persian; leopard-Greek; dreadful beast-Rome), the connection of the four beasts to the end time Beast of Revelation 13, the little horn representing the papacy in this chapter, the Ancient of Days, the persecutions of the Philadelphian and non-Philadephian Christians, changing times, and which faithful are to be protected were covered. In chapter 8, matters pertaining to Alexander the Great\u2019s kingdom, the EEU & European Union, the little horn of this chapter that represents the King of the North, the 2300 evenings and mornings, why the Seventh-day Adventist sanctuary position is in error, and the cunning and deceit of the \u2018King of the North,\u2019 the \u2018man of sin\u2019 were discussed.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Here is a link to our sermon video: Daniel 6-8: Four Beasts and the King of the North<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Some items of possibly related interest may include:<\/em><\/p>\n

DANIEL<\/strong> This article contains commentary of the Book of Daniel<\/a>. Here are links to related sermon videos: Daniel 1-3: Nebuchadnezzar\u2019s Dream,<\/a> Daniel 4-5: The Handwriting on the Wall<\/a>, Daniel 6-8: Four Beasts and the King of the North<\/a>, and Daniel 9: 70 Years & 70 Weeks Prophecies<\/a>.
\nWho is the King of the North?<\/a> Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies for the Great Monarch point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11? Is a nuclear attack prophesied to happen to the English-speaking peoples of the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand<\/span>? When do the 1335 days, 1290 days, and 1260 days (the time, times, and half a time) of Daniel 12 begin? When does the Bible show that economic collapse will affect the United States? In the Spanish language check out \u00bfQui\u00e9n es el Rey del Norte? <\/a>Here are links to two related videos: The King of the North is Alive: What to Look Out For<\/a> and The Future King of the North<\/a>.
\nPCG: Teachings Unique to the Philadelphia Church of God<\/a> Simply calling oneself ‘Philadelphia’ does not make one so (see Revelation 3:7-9), nor does Gerald Flurry calling himself “that prophet” make it so. This article provides many quotes from this group which tries to look faithful.
\nWho is the Man of Sin of 2 Thessalonians 2?<\/a> Is this the King of the North, the ten-horned beast of Revelation 13:1-11, or the two-horned Beast of Revelation 13:12-16? Some rely on traditions, but what does the Bible teach? Here is a related link in Spanish\/espa\u00f1ol: \u00bfQui\u00e9n es el Hombre de Pecado de 2 Tesalonicenses 2?<\/a>; here is a link to a video in Spanish: \u00bfQui\u00e9n es el ‘hombre de pecado’?<\/a> Here is a version in Mandarin: N;\u0016\u00ff\u001a \u0152\u0001f\/’Y’jN\u00ba’\u00ff\u001f<\/a> Here is a link to a related English sermon video titled: The Man of Sin will deceive most \u2018Christians\u2019<\/a>.<\/span>
\nEuropa, the Beast, and Revelation<\/a> Where did Europe get its name? What might Europe have to do with the Book of Revelation? What about \u201cthe Beast\u201d? Is an emerging European power \u201cthe daughter of Babylon\u201d? What is ahead for Europe? Here is are links to related videos: European history and the Bible<\/a>, Europe In Prophecy<\/a>, The End of European Babylon<\/a>, and Can You Prove that the Beast to Come is European?<\/a> Here is a link to a related sermon in the Spanish language: El Fin de la Babilonia Europea<\/a>.
\nThe European Union and the Seven Kings of Revelation 17<\/a> Could the European Union be the sixth king that now is, but is not? Here is a link to the related sermon video: European Union & 7 Kings of Revelation 17:10<\/a>.
\nMust the Ten Kings of Revelation 17:12 Rule over Ten Currently Existing Nations?<\/a> Some claim that these passages refer to a gathering of 10 currently existing nations together, while one group teaches that this is referring to 11 nations getting together. Is that what Revelation 17:12-13 refers to? The ramifications of misunderstanding this are enormous. Here is a link to a related sermon in the Spanish language:\u00a0\u00bfDeben los Diez Reyes gobernar sobre diez naciones?<\/a>\u00a0A related sermon in the English language is titled:\u00a0Ten Kings of Revelation and the Great Tribulation<\/a>.
\nThe Falling Away: The Bible and WCG Teachings<\/a> Who is 2 Thessalonians 2:3 referring to? Are there multiple falling aways? Here is a related link in Spanish\/espa\u00f1ol: La Apostas\u00eda: Ense\u00f1anzas de la Biblia y de la WCG<\/a>. <\/span><\/span>There are also two YouTube videos on the subject that you can watch The Falling Away Part 1: From the Bible and Church History<\/a> and The Falling Away Part 2: Positions Presented by Others<\/a>.
\n<\/em>The ‘Peace Deal’ of Daniel 9:27<\/a> This prophecy could give up to 3 1\/2 years advance notice of the coming Great Tribulation. Will most ignore or misunderstand its fulfillment? Here is a link to a related sermon video Daniel 9:27 and the Start of the Great Tribulation<\/a>.
\nCCOG.ORG<\/a> Continuing<\/a><\/em> Church of God<\/a> The group striving to be most faithful among all real Christian groups to the word of God. To see how CCOG has done so far, here are links to two sermons Continuing<\/em> Church of God (CCOG) first year anniversary: What has been accomplished?<\/a> and The Continuing<\/em> Church of God: Two Years of Proclamation<\/a>. Here is a written link to a version of that sermon in the Spanish language: Aniversario del primer a\u00f1o de la Continuaci\u00f3n de la Iglesia de Dios: \u00bfQu\u00e9 se ha cumplido?<\/a>
\nDo You Hold to Any of These Laodicean Prophetic Errors?<\/a> Most real Christians in the last days are Laodicean and hold to prophetic errors which, unless they repent, will prevent them from being protected from the coming Great Tribulation. Here is a link to a related video: 50+ Laodicean Prophetic Errors<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Plain Truth magazine August 1965 COGwriter In an article titled Satan\u2019s Destructive Battle Plan, PCG’s Gerald Flurry had the following: The Prophet Daniel addressed his end-time book to spiritual Israel, or the Church, and two nations of Israel: America and Britain. … We must watch for an Antiochus-type in both the Church and the nation […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,4],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-95491","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-cog-news","category-prophecy"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t