News of Those Once Affiliated with the Global Church of God

Since the November 1998 takeover of the old GCG by the board in the U.S., those once with GCG went to many places. Most of the members and ministers ultimately went with the Living Church of God (LCG), 8-15% went with the Church of God, a Christian Fellowship (CGCF) and smaller percentages ended up with David Pack's Restored Church of God (RCG), Harold Smith's Church of God Fellowship, Northwest (CGFnw), the Continuing Church of God (CCOG), and other groups (at least one which is outside the U.S. uses the term Global Church of God). On July 1, 2001, eight ministers resigned from CGCF and formed the Church of the Eternal God (CEG), similar in name, but not related, to the Eternal Church of God (ECG--founded by a minister removed from the original GCG ministry for impropriety). About a month later CGCF (USA) dissolved and most then with it ended up in the United Church of God (UCG). One former GCG minister (Ronald Laughland) became pastor of the Wholeworld Church of God. In 2004, Raymond McNair, having been in GCG, CGCF, LCG, then went on his own and formed Church of God, 21st Century (COG21); later he died and that group disbanded. Don Haney, once in GCG/LCG, formed the Church of God In Peace and Truth. In 2005, Ben Faulkner, who was in GCG/LCG, formed the Church of the Sovereign God (CotSG). In 2006, Charles Bryce who was in GCG/LCG left, and formed the Enduring Church of God (En COG). In 2010, several of the main leaders who went to UCG from CGCF left it and went to a group called COGWA. A couple of people, like Norman Edwards (Servants' News/Shepherd's Voice), left GCG well before the 1998 takeover (he has 'Nashville Christian Media'). In 2013, Rod Reynolds left LCG and formed COG Messenger. On 12/15/11, a minister in good-standing with LCG anointed Bob Thiel with oil and prayed that God would grant him a double-portion of His Spirit (see also How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God): and things have not been the same since (Bob Thiel still, of course, supports the goals and biblical beliefs of Philadelphia era of the Church of God). Website links for most of those who were once part of GCG and that have websites can be found at the COGlinks page. In 2012, certain heresies were officially introduced, accepted, and/or promoted by LCG. After concluding that insufficient value was placed on the truth (and keeing their word) by certain leaders of LCG and that they no longer held to biblical church governance and could not as is be used to lead the final phase of the work (see also Why Bob Thiel Left the Living Church of God), on 12/28/12 Bob Thiel was led to form, and then announced, the beginning of the Continuing Church of God (CCOG). CCOG is the second largest group, in terms of members, of those groups whose leaders were once part of GCG (LCG is largest). This page reports on those groups that somehow once had ties to the old GCG.

03/16/19 a.m. Noticed today that's website ranking on Alexa dropped from around 38,000 last year to 59,640. While 59,640 is a very good ranking, since RCG props up its Alexa ranking with much spending on internet ads, this seems to suggest that perhaps it is spending less on them.

Eventually, I expect that RCG will have severe finanical problems.

03/09/19 p.m. In its newletter yesterday, CEG had the following, which basically ends with an attack against me:

Push for Third Temple Intensifies… While Deniers are Without a Clue

Express published on March 4, 2019 the following headline:

“Jerusalem third temple ‘fulfils Biblical prophecy’ of the end times.”

The article went on to state:

“Talk of a third temple being built emerged this week in response to a letter penned by the powerful Jewish assembly of rabbis known as the Sanhedrin. Jerusalem is heading into a mayoral election next week and the Sanhedrin urged both running candidates, Ofer Berkovich and Moshe Lion, to rebuild the temple.

“The first two Holy Temples of Jerusalem were constructed on the city’s Temple Mount centuries ago but were razed to the ground by the Babylonians and the Romans respectively. The Holy Temple plays a crucial role in Jewish tradition and is a central player in prophecies and tales concerning the apocalypse.”

There are still those who deny the biblical fact that a third temple must exist prior to Christ’s return. One proof text can be found in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 which proclaims that just prior to Christ’s return, the false prophet (sometimes erroneously referred to as the Antichrist) will sit in the Temple of God, claiming to be God. Here is an example of a writer trying to “explain” this passage without admitting that this is talking about the Third Temple:

“… the ‘man of sin’ (also known as the King of the North in Daniel 11 and ‘the Beast’ in Revelation 13) may be sitting in some type of formerly Christian occupied building for some short while during the Great Tribulation.” The writer then goes on to state that that building might be one which had been used by his organization prior to their flight to the place of safety.

Apart from the fact that the man of sin is not the beast, but the false prophet, this whole “explanation” is unbelievably ludicrous. But those who deny or are unable to understand biblical revelation are doomed to present astonishing man-made nonsense.

As far as the man of sin goes, today we put out the following sermon: The Man of Sin will deceive most ‘Christians’. I actually was planning on a different subject for today, but some of the comments from CEG persuaded me to cover the man of sin topic.

It is sad that CEG is relying of human traditions and its own interpretations instead of the Bible on various prophetic topics.

Anyway, since CEG listed the UK Express as a source related to its Third Temple position, let me state that the same organization posted the following today:

End of the world prophecy: Why Jerusalem Third Temple is NOT a sign of Great Tribulation

END of the world prophecies about the Christian Apocalypse and Great Tribulation claim the building of a third Holy Temple in Jerusalem will signal the end times – but is this really the case?

Prominent doomsday preachers in America have astonishingly claimed apocalyptic signs of the end times are unfolding before their eyes. Evangelical preachers like Paul Begley of West Lafayette in Indiana or Irvine Baxter of the Endtime Ministries recognise the Third Temple as a prophetic sign. Other biblical scholars, however, disagree with the claim the Third Temple will rise from the ground as a precursor to the so-called Great Tribulation. Dr Bob Thiel, of the Continuing Church of God, told peculiar events will certainly unfold in the days leading to Armageddon.

But the building of the Third Temple is not one of these prophetic signs and not one to stay on the lookout for.

The Bible expert said: “From a prophetic perspective, there is no need for a massive Jewish Temple in Jerusalem prior to the start of the Great Tribulation.

“After the execution of Jesus, the veil in the ‘Second’ Temple was miraculously torn and that building ceased to be the Temple of God as, from a perspective, there was no longer a need for animal sacrifices.”

Here is link to the rest of that article:

Since CEG says my view on a massive Third Temple is "unbelievably ludicrous" and "astonishing man-made nonsense," presumably it now feels the same way about what Herbert W. Armstrong wrote about the Third Temple:

God made a prophecy in the third chapter of Malachy…Continuing, “…shall suddenly come to His temple…” What kind of temple is He coming to? Are the Jews going to tear down the Dome of the Rock and build a new temple? Oh, no!… A holy temple! Christ is coming to His church! Christ is coming to His temple! Do we see that? The church is the temple. “…in whom ye are also builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.” (Armstrong, Herbert W. Congress of Leading Ministers Hears Defined and Reemphasized Spiritual Organization of Church. Worldwide News, March 6, 1981, p. 10)

Ephesians 2:20-21 And [you are] built on the foundation [Now notice the foundation here. And in the Church we are built on a NEW and DIFFERENT foundation. Not the foundation of Adam and Satan. Built on the foundation:] of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone [Just as I've been saying, we are built on a Rock. We are built on a solid foundation.]; (21) in whom ALL THE BUILDING [You see, we are a building. The Church and the world to come, the civilization, is a building. "In whom all the building ... "] fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord [a spiritual temple]. And you, brethren — and I'd like to include myself with you — are that temple to which Christ is coming. Some people think the Jews are going to build a new temple for Christ. The Jews reject Christ. They're not going to build the temple for Him to come to. But GOD IS BUILDING THAT TEMPLE! And you and me — we, individually — each are the temple of the Holy Spirit; and as a collective body we are the temple of God in whom the Holy Spirit dwells. We are built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. Jesus Christ the ROCK is the chief corner stone, or the foundation on which we are built. (Armstrong HW. Foundation of a New World. Sermon Date: December 31, 1983)

The first time He came to a physical temple made of stone. That temple was the temple built by Zerubbabel. Now the original temple, built at Jerusalem, Solomon built; and it was a very glorious temple. A very glorious temple! But it had been destroyed; and, 70 years after it was destroyed, a Jewish colony was sent back from captivity. The Jews were all in captivity by that time. But a Jewish colony was sent back to Jerusalem to build another temple. Ezra and Nehemiah were prophets, along with them; but the leader, and the governor, and the one to build that temple was a man called Zerubbabel. Zerubbabel was the governor of the whole colony. And so we pick up Zerubbabel here in the book of Haggai, the 2nd chapter beginning with verse 3, where God says:

Haggai 2:3 Who is left among you ... He's saying that now to the colony that were there to start building the second temple. This would be the temple that Jesus did come to the first time.

Haggai 2:3 Who is left among you that saw this house in her first glory? And how do ye see it now? Is it not in your eyes in comparison of it as nothing? It was totally destroyed! Solomon's temple was gone. ...


Now there is someone of whom Zerubbabel was a type, a forerunner, who was to prepare the temple to which Christ will come the second time. Now let's just see for a moment what was that temple. I have to go back in just a second to the 2nd chapter in Ephesians. I forgot to put this in my Bible, but I want to go to it; the 2nd chapter of Ephesians — speaking of the Church — and beginning with verse 19: {6} This is speaking of the Church up at Ephesus, and they've been born of Gentiles; but now they are all in the Church of God. It says:

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners [They'd been foreigners, of a different nationality. "You are no more strangers and foreigners."], but fellowcitizens with the saints [Now it's talking about national citizenship, and the saints have a citizenship with God and you're fellowcitizens with the saints."], and of the household of God [Now it's a family relationship.] Now the Church is a nation. The Church is a family, and a family relationship — the household of God. Now notice what else the Church is.

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets ... You build a building of stone, of wood, and of materials like that on a foundation. Now notice, he's talking about a building now.

Ephesians 2:20-21 ... on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; (21) In whom ALL THE BUILDING [Now the Church is a building. "All the building ... "] fitly framed together groweth unto A HOLY TEMPLE ...

Now the building becomes a holy, spiritual temple. That, my brethren, is the temple to which Christ is coming! Did you think maybe the Jews were going to tear down the Dome of the Rock across there (on ... just to the west of the Mount of Olives) on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem, and build a temple for Jesus? Oh, no. He's not coming to a physical temple. He's coming to a temple that will excel Solomon's temple by far in glory.

Well, the temple that Zerubbabel built didn't excel Solomon's temple in glory. But Christ the second time is coming to a temple that will! Now, what temple is He coming to? He's coming to the Church. And when He comes, the dead in Christ (that have died in the Church) will rise first in a resurrection; and we (which are alive and remain at that time) will be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye — this mortal will put on immortality. And we will become God Beings, no longer physical beings. Our faces will shine like the very sun. That is the glorious temple to which Christ is coming!

We are to rise to meet Him in the air as He's coming, and His feet will stand on that same day on the Mount of Olives. It's talking about this Church. Now, Zerubbabel built the temple to which Christ came the first time. He was a type, a forerunner, of someone to build THE SPIRITUAL TEMPLE — THE CHURCH — TO WHICH CHRIST IS COMING the second time. BRETHREN, YOU ARE THAT TEMPLE! That ought to thrill you clear from the top of your head to the bottom of your feet. You are that temple to whom He is coming — a glorified temple, glorified and raised up to meet Him in the air in a glorified form, no longer human flesh and blood, now composed of spirit and absolutely God just as Christ is God and just as God the Father is God.

That's what God has in store for you and for me — if we will overcome, if we will walk with Him, if we will agree with Him, and if we will do as He said to Zerubbabel (get in there and work, which is what we will have to do). ...

Zechariah 4:9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house [Meaning in this antitype, prototype or whatever you call it today — THIS CHURCH. As he did in that temple that Christ came to the first time ... ]: his hands shall also finish it. Maybe God will keep me alive until it is finished. How near finished is it now? I don't know. Maybe it's more nearly finished than we think. But he says, "His hands shall finish it." God will keep him alive until he does; and someone with little power and little strength in himself is going by the power of the Spirit of God. Let me tell you, that's the power that created the whole earth and everything in it. That's what it is. So there is the temple to which Christ is coming. (Armstrong HW. The Church in Prophecy. Sermon Date: March 28, 1981)

“And are built upon the foundation of the apostles [New Testament] and prophets [Old Testament], Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy TEMPLE in the Lord” (verses 20-21). So God reveals here that the Church is: 1) the HOUSEHOLD or begotten FAMILY of God; 2) a building—a HOLY TEMPLE—fitly joined together—that is, well organized (and, of course, on GOD’S pattern). As a building—the HOLY TEMPLE to which Christ will come—it is built on a FIRM FOUNDATION: the apostles, chosen by Christ, and the prophets. …

There has been much perplexity and discussion as to when the temple will be built to which Christ shall come. Malachi’s prophecy speaks of Christ’s second coming to His temple (Malachi 3:1-6). In Haggai’s prophecy it is referred to prophetically. Zerubbabel has been sent as governor of a colony to build the second temple 70 years after the destruction of Solomon’s temple. He built the temple to which Jesus came, though it had been enlarged and embellished by the Roman Herod. But speaking of this temple, as a type and forerunner of the temple to which Christ shall come at His second coming , it is written, “The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the ‘ Lord of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the Lord of hosts” (Haggai 2:9).

It is inconceivable that the Israelis, in the present international turmoil over their possession of old Jerusalem, could ever demolish the Arab Moslem Dome of the Rock – now on the site of Solomon’s temple-and build a new one there of greater splendor and glory than Solomon’s! However, as the second temple Zerubbabel was building was a typical forerunner of the temple to which Christ shall come, even so Zerubbabel was the typical forerunner of one Christ would use in building the far more glorious temple to, which Christ shall come in His GLORY!

Zechariah 4:9 : “The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it . . .. ” And as Zerubbabel’s hands did finish that second temple, so shall the one Christ uses in building the temple to which He shall come in His GLORY!

And the Church of God of the present day shall be a “building fitly framed together [and growing] unto an holy temple in the Lord” (Ephesians 2:21). (Armstrong HW. 7 Proofs of God’s True Church, Part 6. Plain Truth. August, 1979, p. 38)

Many of us are being tried and tested as NEVER BEFORE–and for our own good! But, verse 11, “from the time the daily sacrifice shall be taken away ….Consider this a moment. This does NOT imply a material temple to be built in our time in Jerusalem. It does seem to imply the Israelis may restore the daily (twice daily) sacrifice–possibly at the wailing wall. (Armstrong HW. The Time We Are In, Now. Pastor General’s Report-Vol 1, No. 15, November 20, 1979, Page 2)

While it can certainly disagree with Herbert Armstrong, does CEG think that Herbert W. Armstrong's positions on this were "unbelievably ludicrous" and "astonishing man-made nonsense"?

If the leaders in CEG truly thought so before, they should have brought this to his attention when they were part of WCG. But I truly doubt that they did.

It is sad that groups such as CEG so badly misunderstand aspects of biblical prophecy (man of sin, king of the South, third temple, etc.) that they will not accept scripture.

Those in CEG remain in my prayers.

03/08/19 a.m. In its newletter today, after again attacking me (but again without my name) CEG also had the following:

the fact that the man of sin is not the beast, but the false prophet,


It is certainly not a biblical one.

This 'man of sin' identity is a doctrine that most groups once part of the old GCG have wrong.

The man of sin is the 'beast" and not the false prophet.

Those in CEG, LCG, RCG, etc. really need to pay more attention to the scriptures related to that.

For more details, check out the article: Who is the Man of Sin of 2 Thessalonians 2? Here is a related link in Spanish/español: ¿Quién es el Hombre de Pecado de 2 Tesalonicenses 2? Here is a version in Mandarin: N;ÿ Œf/'Y'jNº'ÿ Here is a link to a related YouTube video, in English, titled Who is the Man of Sin?

02/27/19 p.m. The CCOG has another animation.

What is it? When is it? The KJV refers to it as "THE NIGHT TO BE MUCH OBSERVED." This scripture-packed animation includes background and specific information related to the children of Israel. It also gives some of the Old and New Testament prophetic ramifications of this event. How the NTBO is typically observed is also covered. The animation also includes a chart of scriptures and biblical dates to determine when that NTBO actually is. Furthermore, the animation provides information from the "Jewish Encyclopedia" which, through scripture, shows that many Jews have confused Passover with the "night to be observed." This is a great animation to give background on the NTBO and is also appropriate to be watched on the NTBO.

We finished this animation late today. Here is a link: Night to Be Observed.

For 2019, the Night to Be Observed begins at sunset April 19th.

This is our first animation related to the Holy Days.

02/22/19 a.m. In its newsletter today, CEG has the following:

A Third Temple on the Temple Mount

Breaking Israel News reported on February 14:

“When most people think of the Temple Mount they consider one building; the golden Dome of the Rock built by the Muslims in the Seventh Century. The Temple Mount Compound is actually quite large… most of it either empty or covered in trees planted in the last few decades. Though Israeli and international law mandates allowing equality of religions and universal prayer at the site, the Israeli police cite security concerns for restricting the right to pray only to Muslims.

“In a rare display of Islamic pluralism, a 2017 article in The Muslim Times noted that there is certainly room at the site to create a worship space, even a Third Temple, for the Jews. The editor, Dr. Zia Shah, suggested a multi-story structure to maximize the space…”

The Bible CLEARLY reveals that a Third Temple will be built in Jerusalem, on the Temple Mount, prior to Christ’s return. While the Church of God might not have always understood this point clearly in the past, it has grown in God’s knowledge and proclaims now with dogmatic certainty that such a Temple will be built. Incredibly, there are still some who claim to be Christians who deny this fact.

Actually, no, the Bible does not teach that a massive Third Temple will be built on the Temple Mount prior to Jesus' return. For details, check out the article: Why is a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem Not Required?

CEG continues to push prophetic error. The fact that it also teaches AGAINST the idea that there is a future King of the South (see 02/01/19 a.m. post on this page; watch also Is there a coming King of the South?) is additional proof.

Those in CEG, like those in other non-Philadelphian organizations need to repent or they will NOT be protected from the hour of trial that will come (cf. Revelation 3).

02/15/19 p.m. An article at Ben Faulkner's Church of the Sovereign God has the following:

The ancient sites had been set apart for acts of true worship by those faithful believers, like Noah, Abraham, and Moses.  Believers have considered these sites to be holy because of the reason they were apart. Today, many church members of numerous denominations also tend to consider their houses of worship as very special.  Some consider the spaces to be holy.

Today, that distinctive and unique Temple that God is constructing is a very special spiritual Temple. There are Bible passages that show that the Temple God is building is also holy. The construction of that Temple apparently began with the giving of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost following the events of Jesus’ death and resurrection.

The Apostle Paul grasped the spectacular meaning in what God was doing toward this spiritual Temple, which is now referred to commonly as the Church of God.  Realizing God’s purpose, Paul fervently warned the believers in Corinth about defiling that Temple.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Yes, the Temple of God is special.  It is holy.  Notice the last few words of 1 Corinthians 3:17.  Those words tell us that we (true believers) are now the Temple of God that God is building.

Yes, Christians are the "Temple of God" during the church age. More on that can be found in the article: Why is a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem Not Required?

02/03/19 a.m. The CEG newsletter article about the end and King of the South (see 02/01/19 a.m. post on this page) helped lead me to produce the following video:


Is there a coming King of the South?

Although Church of God leaders and the Catholic “doctor of the church” Jerome taught that Daniel 11:40 points to a future King of the South having a conflict with the King of the North, some modern Roman Catholics as well as some who were once part of the old Global Church of God disagree. Some of the latter insist that Daniel 11:40 was fulfilled in 1896 or 1935. Since Jesus taught that a generation would see various end-time events, is that possible? Is there a prophesied deal in Daniel 11 between the kings of the north and south? Are the peoples prophesied to temporarily support the King of the South at all related to peoples that the Muslim Brotherhood believe need to form a caliphate under a Sunni Imam? Have Western leaders supported the idea of such a confederation? Biblically, does there need to be a coming King of the South to fulfill prophecies in Daniel 11? Could any of this be related to Psalm 83?

Here is a link to the sermonette video: Is there a coming King of the South?

There is a coming King of the South. CEG needs to change its position on this and a variety of other prophetic matters.

02/01/19 p.m. Shirley Apartian died:

Hello Brethren, to update you: Mrs. Shirley Apartian died a short time ago. We hope to see the Apartians in the resurrection in the not too distant future. Prayers for the family appreciated!
Rodger Bardo

Her husband Dibar died on December 8, 2010. He was an evangelist who handled French language materials for the old WCG and GCG, and then LCG (more on him and his views are in the article: Remembering Dibar Apartian and his warning).

Although I did not know Shirley as well as I knew her husband, she and I spoke from time to time, including after I left LCG.

02/01/19 a.m. In its newsletter today, CEG had the following:

How can we know that Christ’s return is near? (Part 9)

When Christ was asked by four of His disciples about the end of the age, He said:

“Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near–at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away” (Matthew 24:32-35).

It is clarified in the parallel Scripture in Luke 21:31 that Christ was speaking about His Second Coming and the establishment of the Kingdom of God here on earth. “All these things” refer to the events, which we are describing in this series. The Greek word for “generation,” i.e., genea, refers here to the people in the end time–not the entire race throughout many “generations.”

In Psalm 90:10, a generation is described as lasting 70-80 years. We also read in the Bible that God sometimes shortens or prolongs human life, and that bloodthirsty and deceitful men may not live out HALF their days (Psalm 55:23). We know that men will be so bloodthirsty and destructive in the end time that Christ will HAVE to SHORTEN the days of worldwide warfare, lest NO man would survive (Matthew 24:22).

We have not yet seen the beginning of the Great Tribulation, but we know that it is the next major event to occur in our time. ...

It is revealed however that the European invasion of the Holy Land will occur when animal sacrifices will be brought there by the Jews, apparently during or after the completed construction of the Third Temple on the Temple Mount (Daniel 8:11-14; 11:31; 12:11-12). The beast will invade the Holy Land and conquer countries such as Egypt, Libya and Ethiopia (Daniel 11:41-43).

But note that the countries mentioned in Daniel 11:41-43 are NOT the same as the countries mentioned in Psalm 83 with which the beast will have a temporary alliance. In fact, Daniel 11 specifically mentions that those countries (mentioned in Psalm 83) will “escape” the hands of the beast.

Many believe, based on prophecies contained in the 11th chapter of the book of Daniel, that immediately before the return of Jesus Christ, a powerful Arab leader— a religious “Mullah” or Madhi, many times imagined to be the “king of the South”— will still arise in the Middle East. Daniel 11:40-41 says: “At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack [or: push at] him [the king of the North]; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through. He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown…”

Historically, and reviewing the entire biblical prophecy in the 11th chapter of the book of Daniel, we can determine that at the time described in verse 40, the king of the North constituted the ninth resurrection of the ancient Roman Empire, or the sixth resurrection of the “Holy” Roman Empire, led by Mussolini and Hitler.

At that time, the modern remnant of the “king of the South” of this prophecy was Ethiopia. The prophecy in Daniel 11:40 WAS FULFILLED in 1896, when King Menelik II of Ethiopia “pushed at” the Italians and defeated Italy at Aduwa. In 1935, Mussolini responded when the king of the South was Emperor Haile Selassie. Mussolini came against Ethiopia like a whirlwind, using airplanes, and conquered it.

There are some things right, but also significant errors in understanding that CEG has in the above.

While there will be animal sacrifices, a third massive Jewish temple is not required (c.f. Ezra 3:6; see also Why is a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem Not Required?).

It is true that the King of the North Beast will have a temporary alliance with nations in Psalm 83. But it is ALSO true that Daniel 11 shows a temporary alliance with the King of the North and the King of the South:

25 He [the king of the North] shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the South. .. 27 Both these kings' hearts shall be bent on evil, and they shall speak lies at the same table; but it shall not prosper, for the end will still be at the appointed time (Daniel 11:25,27).

So, there is a deal between the King of the North and the King of the South.

Based on its assertions, CEG does not seem to understand that many of the same peoples listed in Psalm 83 occupy the lands listed in Daniel 11.

For example, Edom, Moab, and Ammon are mentioned in both:

5 For they have consulted together with one consent; They form a confederacy against You: 6 The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites; Moab and the Hagrites; 7 Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek; Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre; 8 Assyria also has joined with them; They have helped the children of Lot. (Psalm 83:4-8)

41 He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon. 42 He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 He shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; also the Libyans and Ethiopians shall follow at his heels. (Daniel 11:41-43)

The fact that some nations/peoples end up escaping punishment then from the King of the North does not mean that they did not have an alliance with the King of the South--it will be a temporal alliance that will not end well (see also Ezekiel 30:2-8).

Furthermore, perhaps it should be pointed out that Libya is a reference to lands west of Egypt, not necessarily just the nation now called Libya.

The old Radio Church of God identified those in Psalm 83 in a November 1966 Plain Truth magazine as follows:

Turn to the astounding prophecy found in Psalm 83:1-8. David, inspired of God, predicted the coming time when ALL of Israel’s enemies would join together in an effort to crush out even the name “Israel” from the face of the earth! (Verse 4) “For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee…” (verse 5). Notice the nations making up this confederation. “Edom [Turkey], and the Ishmaelites [Saudi Arabia]; Moab [Jordan], and the Hagarenes [they anciently dwelt in the land known as Syria today]; Gebal {Lebanon}, and Ammon [Jordan] and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; Assur [whose descendants migrated to Germany] is joined with them; they have helped the children of Lot” {Moab and Ammon in modern Jordan). Here we see that the Arab nations mentioned are allied with Germany (Assur) which we know from other prophecies will be the military leader — naturally so — of a United States of Europe...Egypt...will provoke the prophesied United Europe (Dan. 11:40). This European power — called the "king of the north" in Daniel 11 — shall invade and occupy the "glorious land" of Palestine (verse 41). "And the land of Egypt shall not escape"(Boraker R. SYRIA RAIDS ISRAEL – Where Is It Leading? Plain Truth. November 1966)

The late WCG evangelist Raymond McNair (who was also once part of GCG) wrote of Daniel 11:

Daniel 11 also mentions some of the Mideast peoples who will be involved in that struggle among the nations at the close of this age. The belligerents will include the “King of the North,” the leader of the European Union (or its final outgrowth, called the “Beast”). The “King of the South” (an Islamic leader—apparently from Egypt {or} some other Muslim state) is also referred to. The following lands/peoples are specifically mentioned: Egypt, the Holy Land (Israel/Palestine), the Ethiopians (modern Cushites, south of Egypt), Libya, Edom, Moab and Ammon. Many descendants of the ancient peoples known as Edomites or Idumeans now live in the West Bank, Jordan, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Arabia, Yemen, the Persian Gulf states, etc. (McNair R. Solving the Arab-Israeli Impasse! Copyright Raymond F. McNair 2005, Church of God—21st Century).

Notice that Raymond McNair realizes that Egypt or some other Muslim country is where the king of the South will come from and that the term translated as Ethiopians really means the Cushite peoples who live in southern Egypt as well as elsewhere (others have said that the Cushites basically mean dark-skinned people, hence this could include peoples from Sudan, Somalia (sometimes called Eastern Cushites), and many of the other Islam-dominated nations in Africa). It may be that the King of the South matter was a reason that Raymond McNair split from those now in CEG as he was president of the organization an organization that preceded it.

The word translated as “Ethiopians” in Daniel 11:43 is the plural of the word Kuwshiy, which according to Biblesoft’s New Exhaustive Strong’s Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary means descendants of Cush. Or in other words, people of dark color–and it is commonly translated as Cush or Cushite in many Old Testament passages.

Notice also the following:

The word Cushi, also spelled Kushi (Hebrew: כושי‎) is a Hebrew term generally used to refer to a dark-skinned person usually of African descent. (Cushi, Wikipedia, accessed 12/15/15)

Here are some other translations of the related passage in Daniel 11:

43 He will control gold and silver treasures and all Egypt’s treasuries. Libya and Sudan will surrender to him. (Daniel 11:43, GOD’S WORD Translation)

43 The gold and silver treasures and all the valuables of Egypt will lie in his power. Libyans and Cushites will be at his feet: (Daniel 11:43, New Jerusalem Bible)

43 and he hath ruled over treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the desirable things of Egypt, and Lubim and Cushim are at his steps. (Daniel 11:43, Young’s literal translation)

Daniel 11 is not in opposition to Psalm 83.

Additionally, the invasion by Mussolini of Ethiopia was NOT the fulfillment of Daniel 11:40 in 1935, nor were the actions of King Menelik II in 1896.

Notice what Daniel 11:40 states:

40 At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through.

Since the king of the South is prophesied in vs. 27 to come to his end at the appointed time, and I believe the Bible is clear that this particular appointed time of coming to his end has not come yet (especially since the king of the North is also supposed to come to his end during that appointed time), the Bible thus demonstrates the need of a future king of the South.

Furthermore, CEG referred to Psalm 90:10, so let's look at it:

10 The days of our lives are seventy years;
And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,
Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;
For it is soon cut off, and we fly away. (Psalm 90:10)

Based on that, CEG stated that the end generation would last 70-80 years. Well, even if we use 1935, that is over 80 years ago. There is no way Daniel 11:40 was fulfilled in its entirety back then. CEG should review its positions and correct them.

Additionally, this King of the North in Daniel 11:40 is the same one who comes to his end in Daniel 11:44-45. Mussolini has been dead for decades, as well has been Adolf Hitler. The King of the North who fulfills Daniel 11:40, will also fulfill verses 41-45.

As far as the claim that the Great Tribulation is the next major event to occur in our time, I guess it depends on how you define "major." Jesus listed many events prior to that in Matthew 24, and also pointed the abomination of desolation PRIOR to the Great Tribulation. Notice some of what Jesus said:

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. 15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be (Matthew 24:15-21).

If CEG is not looking for the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14, the abomination of desolation, the deal of Daniel 11:27, a coming King of the South, etc. then it may be that the Great Tribulation will be the next major event it notices.

I had seen something months ago indicating that perhaps CEG was softening its view against a coming King of the South. Sadly, that does not now seem to officially be the case. For more information, see also Is the Future King of the South Rising Up?

Unless CEG changes, it, like many other groups, will not understand when the Great Tribulation will be here until it is too late. For more details, see also the section on Laodicean errors in prophecy in the article The Laodicean Church Era.

01/28/19 a.m. The late Dr. R.C. Meredith used to state that LCG was only "half a peanut shell" in the Pacific Ocean. The last time I attended LCG in San Diego (which was in November 2003, this is before the move by LCG to Charlotte, North Carolina), I came up to him and essentially said (all the following was stated though this is not an exact quote):

You've said that LCG is like a half of peanut shell in the Pacific Ocean. So, if LCG doubles its television coverage, then it is only about 1 peanut shell. I don't believe that Matthew 24:14 will be fulfilled by buying television time. This is not second guessing your decisions to be on television stations, but your own words show that television like LCG has been doing is not enough.

How Matthew 24:14 will be fulfilled will be from one of us, like me, identifying the coming King of North, saying the Great Tribulation is about to beging, and telling people that he is about to destroy the USA and UK, then the King of the South, and he will be in league with the Antichrist, as he puts forth a false message of peace by human means. The media will cover us, and this will get people's attention. Enough so, that this will fulfill Jesus' 'gospel of the kingdom to the world' prophecy.

Dr. Meredith essentially agreed with me then (perhaps I should add that shortly later, he asked me if I was moving to Charlotte with LCG). This media/King of the North matter was something that I also covered with the then three other LCG HQ evangelists in meetings later in Charlotte, North Carolina--all of whom (Richard Ames, Dibar Apartian, Doug Winnail) gave me their concurrence.

It was something I also covered in my '2012 book (Thiel B. 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect. Nazarene Books, 2009, pp. 254-255, 291).

While I am no longer part of LCG, I have been telling people for years in Continuing Church of God (CCOG) basically the same thing.

Notice something that was posted within a couple of weeks after the formation of the Continuing Church of God.

Warning the world that the King of the North is fulfilling Bible prophecy when he does this is likely to be part of the “short work” of Romans 9:28 that God will accomplish through His most faithful. (Thiel B. The King of the North will arise. January 12, 2013).

We in the CCOG are preparing for the 'short work' by establishing multiple websites in multiple languages, while researching and making available information on church history, doctrine, and prophecy, while also proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to the world as a witness.

Why mention this now?

Well, this morning Google alerted me to the following article put out by the UK Express:

Eclipse 2019 prophecy: Why did the world NOT end on the January Blood Moon?

DOOMSDAY preachers who loudly touted the January Blood Moon a harbinger of the apocalypse have been proven wrong, according to a biblical prophecy expert.

The  eclipse peaked in the morning hours of Monday, January 21, here in the UK. For a period of 62 minutes starting just before 5am GMT, the Full Moon turned an ominous red colour in the Earth’s shadow. Some Christian conspiracy theorists saw this as a prophetic fulfilment of biblical prophecy. The Blood Moon was dubbed a “harbinger of the Apocalypse”, a “prophetic sign for America” and “evidence of Jesus Christ’s Second Coming”.

The Blood Moon was linked to a number of prophecies foretold by the Book of Revelation, Book of Acts and Book of Joel.

And yet despite these doomsday warnings, the Blood Moon passed through nightside totality without kick-starting the end times.

Dr Bob Thiel, a biblical prophecy expert from the Continuing Church of God, told there was no basis in scripture to truly consider the January Blood Moon a prophetic sign.

The preacher previously argued the January Super Blood Wolf Moon “”.

His reasoning for this is a number of events which will have to precede and follow the Moon turning red in order for Revelation prophecy to come true.

The preacher has now said some of the events outlined in the Bible are occurring at this very moment but it is unclear where these are headed.

Dr Thiel said: “The basic sequence is that certain sorrows and troubles will continue.”

In particular, Mark 13:5-8, 37 reads: “And Jesus, answering them, began to say: ‘Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and will deceive many.

“‘But when you hear of wars and rumours of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet.

Some nation will become highly indebted before the Great Tribulation

Dr Bob Thiel

“‘For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles.

“‘These are the beginnings of sorrows ... And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”

According to Dr Thiel, the “sorrows” are happening now but there are many other examples of scripture which also need to be fulfilled.

Dr Thiel said: “For example, some nation will become highly indebted before the Great Tribulation – Habakkuk 2:6. This is happening to the USA.

“Damascus will be destroyed – Isaiah 17:1 – and great military damage will hit Jerusalem – Isaiah 22:8-9. The timing of these two events possibly occur before a prophesied peace deal.

“One of the most important events to watch for is when the 'peace' deal of Daniel 9:27 is confirmed. Deals have been proposed, but the biblical one has not yet been made nor confirmed.

“A King of the North – who was a 'prince' in Daniel 9:27 – and a King of the South – Daniel 11:27 – will arise and make a lying deal – Daniel 11:27. Europe will get a ‘great army’ – Daniel 11:25. We are seeing the foundations for this now."

Another prophetic sign to look out for is the return of animal sacrifices, as outlined in Daniel 9:27.

Dr Thiel also said the world will only come to pass after all apocalyptic signs are fulfilled and the period of Great Tribulations starts.

After the Great Tribulation, the sixth seal will open which is when the Moon will turn into blood – could it be the Blood Moon?

Soon after, the seventh seal in Revelation will open and usher in trumpet blasts and cataclysm.

Dr Thiel said: “The crashing of Wormwood into the Earth will occur after the third trumpet blast – Revelation 8:10-11. Some might call this Planet X hitting the Earth.

“The gathering for Armageddon will begin related to the sixth trumpet blast – Revelation 8:13-19; 16:12-16.

“Then at the seventh trumpet – Revelation 11:15 – Jesus will return to establish the millennial kingdom.

“The Great Tribulation should begin about 3.5 years after the peace deal – Daniel 9:27 – is confirmed, and right after the King of the North tries to proclaim peace and safety – 1 Thessalonians 5:3 – to throw people off – cf. Daniel 11:24 –for his invasion plans.”

We in CCOG expect media attention will amplify our reach and I believe will be a factor in fulfilling Matthew 24:14 to God's satisfaction.

The fact that we are getting coverage now (radio and sometimes the press) is consistent with that as we lead the Final Phase of the Work.

01/13/19 a.m. Continuing Church of God elder Alexsandar ‘Sasha’ Veljic, who lives in Serbia, is currently in Manipur, India. He sent me several emails that he said to combined parts of them. So, I did and he enthusiastically approved the following for public distribution today:

Dear Bob,

As soon as I arrived, I met with 8 members of Church of God.  I told them the purpose of my visit and why I came.  I also told them that I could see with corresponding with Sani Mao that they are well established in the doctrines of the Bible, so that I will endeavor to give them messages that will corroborate their faith.  That was met with thrill.  If there is one word to describe that group of people, the first thought that comes to my mind is – ZEAL!  And no wonder that they wanted to associate with us for the zeal is one of the characteristics of the Philadelphia church.  As far as I could assess, their mutual relations are on the same level.  It brings a great joy to my heart that those people fast twice a month and they get together on those occasions.  They all confirmed to me that Sani Mao has been serving them faithfully for years and that they are all here due to what God has done through that man.  On the other hand, they are responsive and helpful and they have been keeping the Feast in a very organized manner, so I would add that the government of God, such as should be administered in the proper way, has been present in this group all along.

The whole structure is there, but this group has been waiting, with a great discipline, to have an a ministerial approval.  They were very worried that I might not come as they are expecting that help from me.  Sani Mao talked to me on Friday evening about my ordination and his correspondence on that matter.  Now we talked about it alive, so that I could better understand motives and reasonings on his part.  As I have already established, he is man of one wife and he has never been divorced.  His wife and him are both employed by the government, which speaks loudly of their reputation.

I feel that these people have been yearning for my visit to be approved as full-fledged part of the true community of the Philadelphia remnant.  I live far away and so do you.  But, they already have everything in place to operate as the Church of God and for that they do not seek, nor do they expect any financial support.  I am, for example, deeply impressed at how faithfully and in an organized manner they kept the Feast for years, being cut off by their former Church organization, and enduring and waiting for my visit.  At certain moments I even feel uncomfortable with the level of trust and respect they show me (I surely am not worthy of that).   However, while I am here, I want to do my part and leave this community at peace and see it thrive with God’s merciful help here in the second populous nation in the world.

Now, I remembered that there was that accusation about them having Pentecostal spirit, or Pentecostal behavior.  You can rest assured that I would not have hesitated to correct that and put things in order had that be true.  Now that I have had a Sabbath services with them, I understand better the things. There is nothing Pentecostal in terms of “speaking in the tongues”, or a disorder at services.  On the contrary, there is peace and order.  Perhaps there is some intensity of emotions in the air, with which a Westerner might not be comfortable with.  But, as for me, I am perfectly comfortable with that.

I want to assure you that I am well taken care of.  To all my questions I get very detailed answers.  I haven’t noticed any half truths.  I am only afraid of mosquitoes.  The weather is beautiful, so my windows were open, and then in the evening the room was full of them.  Sani Mao and I killed most of them.  One remained hidden.  I managed to kill it later at night when I talked to the congregation in Serbia on Friday evening (Serbian time).

A few more things I need to bring to your attention.

1.  Sani Mao related to me how they had become spiritual orphans when they were abandoned by LCG.  Other than the unfounded accusation about Pentecostalism, a LCG minister made derogatory comments about women.  That their place is to wash the cups.  He would not accept that a woman might have a dream coming from God, such as we know that has happened in our CCOG history.  And so, when LCG announced that there was no LCG in India, that came out of the blue and has devastated these people.

2. Coercive hierarchical control.  They were told not to get together for Bible studies, or when they fast with no Scriptural explanation whatsoever and contrary to what we are told in the Book of Hebrews.

3. I had another baptism counseling session after the Sabbath.  A young man was present as an interpreter.  After counseling, he told me that LCG always had short counseling and would dismiss people.  I just don’t understand such an approach.  When I counsel people, I try to bring up the important points for their salvation.  I also asked questions.  I let them talk to me.  I need to see if they are repentant to be baptized.  Sani Mao’s daughter, for example, asked me several questions from the Scriptures seeking help to defend her belief against here Protestant peers who mock her beliefs.  I also read some scriptures related to baptism.  I never limit counseling time.  I let it continue until all relevant points have been exhausted.  That is new to this group as well.  But I would find it highly disrespectful to just have short counseling and then dismiss them.

Now, having said all this, I need to tell you that I prayed and thought about ordinations. After getting your approval, which I read on the Sabbath morning, I realized there is no more reason to wait and delay. The intensity of prayer and faith that these people had about me coming – and I came against all the odds – and them hanging in and enduring all that they have, made me convinced finally that I couldn’t leave them orphans in spiritual terms. Plus, on Friday, during a counseling session, one of the members here said he had a dream before my coming. A hand on which an oil was poured was there to anoint Sani Mao. And that member told others not to worry, that I would come against all odds. Also, after his dream, his Bible was opened to Romans 5:4. When I read that verse, I realized it aptly describes Sani Mao. Therefore, when he came to pick me up for the Sabbath, I asked him if he had any objections to being ordained on this Sabbath. He didn’t have any, even though he was surprised that I would do it during this visit. He said he thought it would take some time. I didn’t see any reason to take any more time.

And so, after the Sabbath services and refreshments, I have ordained Sani Mao a deacon. I also called all baptized men to join me on the stage and follow me in laying hands on Sani Mao as a symbolic consent of the entire congregation to having now finally the government of God restored in India. After that act, Sani Mao addressed the congregation briefly and, as he admitted, for the first time he broke in tears in front of that group. I also announced that I want to bless the children after ordination ceremony, so that the ladies would be prepared for that. And I was about to that, but realizing what a great emotional thing Sani Mao’s ordination has been for both the congregation and me, I stepped in to make another announcement.

I said that we better prepare emotionally for something else and that I made a decision based on what I feel God led me to. And I said that I have decided to anoint Mary, Sani Mao’s wife as a deaconess next Sabbath. That announcement came a bolt from heaven. Sani Mao’s wife was shocked and then she broke into tears. Almost all the ladies in the congregation wept silently as I explained the reasons. I see that a strong presence of the ladies in the congregation. I could feel that their involvement has kept that congregation together and that such thing had to be recognized by God somehow. I asked God to show me what to do about it, and then Mary came to mind. I considered some other ladies as well, those that I met, however I felt that Mary was a strong example of the faith and that she should be ordained. That I didn’t make a mistake in that judgement it was confirmed when the anointing for illnesses came later and Mary related her health problems, but she also enumerated the cases when she was supernaturally healed without medical intervention. Besides her other illnesses, she was cured of a womb cancer.

So, after giving this message of preparation for the next Sabbath, all the children, small ones and even some bigger ones, encouraged by their mothers and aunts, came forward and knelt. I pronounced a blessing on them and asked the Eternal to protect them and be with them in this spiritually evil and dangerous society. Following that, I announced that those who may have ailments should ask to be anointed. A good portion of the congregation came forward. They all knelt spontaneously and so did I with them. First I anointed males so that they could be watching over children and do other needed things. Then I anointed all the ladies that came forward. With short breaks between prayers and anointing, I think it probably took about 45 minutes to one hour to complete all that.

We have videoed my sermon with translation to Manipuri language, so part of that can be used for Behind the Works Feast video.

January 12, 2019, goes down into history as an important date in the history of (Continuing) Church of God and in the history of God’s people in India.

With my best regards,


I personally have been in email communication with Sani Mao for years. We were pleased when they decided a couple of months ago to ask to become part of CCOG. Some details of that were reported a month ago in the CCOG: Letter to the Brethren: December 13, 2018.

Now, let me write more about the dream above, and add some background, to make it a bit clearer.

Because Alexsandar ‘Sasha’ Veljic was having travel and visa issues, some were concerned that he would not be able to make the trip to Manipur. Someone in Manipur had a dream that he would make it--and he did. But the more unusual part of that dream was that the person dreamed that Sani Mao was going to be anointed. Well, no one in Manipur was aware that Sasha and I discussed the idea of anointing Sani Mao as a deacon--presuming after Sasha arrived and reviewed the situation there, it seemed appropriate. Anyway, on January 12, 2019, Elder Veljic did anoint Sani Mao with oil and laid hands upon him to be a deacon.

So, another associated with CCOG had a dream that was confirmed by subsequent events.

God has been using dreams for several associated with CCOG (see Dreams, the Bible, the Radio Church of God, and the Continuing Church of God).

How many times does God need to intervene that way for Christian people to believe and support CCOG?

Hopefully, you have already decided that since the Bible prophesied that God would use dreams in the end times (e.g. Acts 2:14-18), and since several associated with CCOG have had dreams that have been confirmed, you accept that dreams are one way God has shown His favor on CCOG as the best representative of the Philadelphian portion of the Church of God in this Laodicean time.

We in CCOG are reaching and baptizing people all around the world (cf. Matthew 28:19-20). To read a new report (posted online today) on parts of Africa, for another example, see Radson Mulozoa’s report on Malawi. Mozambique, and Zambia.

01/11/19 a.m. In its newsletter today, CEG had the following from Brian Gale:

On the website, we read the following: “Life on Earth first bloomed around 3.7 billion years ago, when chemical compounds in a ‘primordial soup’ somehow sparked into life, scientists suspect. But what turned sterile molecules into living, changing organisms? That’s the ultimate mystery.”

From the position of “scientists suspecting,” they then go on to guess what happened which is an “understanding” of sorts, which allows them to omit the possibility of an all-powerful Creator God. My thoughts turn to Romans 1:18-22 when I hear, see or read about man’s ridiculous postulations on this vital subject. It is a passage that is well worth reviewing again and again.

Although he referred to Romans 1:18-22, he did not quote it, so let's quote it below:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

Anyway, Brian Gale is correct that the 'postulations' of many considered scientists are ridiculous. For more details and proof, check out the following:

Is God’s Existence Logical? Is it really logical to believe in God? Yes! Would you like Christian answers to give atheists? This is a free online booklet that deal with improper theories and musings called science related to the origin of the origin of the universe, the origin of life, and evolution.

Two animated videos of related interest are also available: Big Bang: Nothing or Creator? and A Lifegiver or Spontaneous Evolution?

Does it Make Physical Sense to believe in God? Some say it is not logical to believe in God. Is that true? Here is a link to a YouTube sermon titled Is it logical to believe in God?

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