News of Those Once Affiliated with the Global Church of God

Since the November 1998 takeover of the old GCG by the board in the U.S., those once with GCG went to many places. Most of the members and ministers ultimately went with the Living Church of God (LCG), 8-15% went with the Church of God, a Christian Fellowship (CGCF) and smaller percentages ended up with David Pack's Restored Church of God (RCG), Harold Smith's Church of God Fellowship, Northwest (CGFnw), the Continuing Church of God (CCOG), and other groups (at least one which is outside the U.S. uses the term Global Church of God). On July 1, 2001, eight ministers resigned from CGCF and formed the Church of the Eternal God (CEG), similar in name, but not related, to the Eternal Church of God (ECG--founded by a minister removed from the original GCG ministry for impropriety). About a month later CGCF (USA) dissolved and most then with it ended up in the United Church of God (UCG). One former GCG minister (Ronald Laughland) became pastor of the Wholeworld Church of God. In 2004, Raymond McNair, having been in GCG, CGCF, LCG, then went on his own and formed Church of God, 21st Century (COG21); later he died and that group disbanded. Don Haney, once in GCG/LCG, formed the Church of God In Peace and Truth, renamed Congregation of God in Peach and Truth--which looks to be legally inactive. In 2005, Ben Faulkner, who was in GCG/LCG, formed the Church of the Sovereign God (CotSG). In 2006, Charles Bryce who was in GCG/LCG left, and formed the Enduring Church of God (En COG). In 2010, several of the main leaders who went to UCG from CGCF left it and went to a group called COGWA. A couple of people, like Norman Edwards (Servants' News/Shepherd's Voice), left GCG well before the 1998 takeover (he has 'Nashville Christian Media'). In 2013, Rod Reynolds left LCG and formed COG Messenger. On 12/15/11, a minister in good-standing with LCG anointed Bob Thiel with oil and prayed that God would grant him a double-portion of His Spirit (see also How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God): and things have not been the same since (Bob Thiel still, of course, supports the goals and biblical beliefs of Philadelphia era of the Church of God). Website links for most of those who were once part of GCG and that have websites can be found at the COGlinks page. In 2012, certain heresies were officially introduced, accepted, and/or promoted by LCG. After concluding that insufficient value was placed on the truth (and keeing their word) by certain leaders of LCG and that they no longer held to biblical church governance and could not as is be used to lead the final phase of the work (see also Why Bob Thiel Left the Living Church of God), on 12/28/12 Bob Thiel was led to form, and then announced, the beginning of the Continuing Church of God (CCOG). In August 2020, Sheldon Monson left LCG and was 'marked' by LCG on 8/19/20 and then on 9/05/20 he announced Church of God Assembly (CGA). The Continuing Church of God (CCOG) is the second largest group, in terms of members, of those groups whose leaders were once part of GCG (LCG is largest). This page reports on those groups that somehow once had ties to the old GCG.

05/12/22 a.m. My wife Joyce and I arrived in Ireland a few hours ago. We expect to see some supporters and expect to conduct some research in a few locations on the Irish Isle.

We expect to have Sabbath services in Northern Ireland on May 14th, just outside of Belfast. We expect to have Sabbath services in Dublin, Ireland on May 21st.

Anyone who does not normally attend there, but wish to attend then, can send me an email:

05/07/22 a.m. Today, I watched  an hour-long interview of a Marc Cebrian. He was interviewed by Dawn Blue of Wadsworth Community TV (WCTV).

Marc Cebrian was a member of the United Church of God, and had been baptized by them.

In time, he felt UCG not teaching enough of the biblical message. He then looked at PCG and RCG. After hearing more from David Pack, he became a member of the Restored Church of God.

Eventually he became an RCG employee involved in the television department in Wadsworth, Ohio.

Marc Cebrian mentioned that he and others had considered RCG's prophetic failures as a test that they needed to endure. Yet, after multiple failures, he realized that David Pack's messages contained too many errors. He also said the RCG ministers could not explain many of David Pack's prophetic positions, and that those positions changed a lot.He also indicated that he could predict what RCG would say about a new teaching, that Marc suspected was wrong, one it was shown to be wrong.

Marc Cebrian said felt he should no longer support promoting error through his television editing role. Because of that and David Pack's wrong declaration of David Pack declaring himself to be the Elijah, Marc Cebrian left.

In the interview he mentions that it was his recollection that RCG had 3500 members at its peak, but he last heard it had 1500 around the world. But he was not certain of the numbers.

He pointed out RCG ministerial hypocrisy related to double standards. He also dispelled various myths and other falsehoods some had about RCG. Basically he said that the members were nice people and were not violent. He, and Dawn Blue stated that RCG received proper permits for their buildings, etc. So, that should not be a conspiracy.

He was asked about PCG and basically said it was stricter than RCG and was wrong about its rules related to contact of non-PCG members.

Marc Cebrian properly asserted that the Bible proves that David Pack teachings show him to be false. He said that because of all of David Pack's changes, RCG's literature was almost all out of date, so that once someone who read it began to attend, they would find what they thought RCG taught on many prophetic matters was no longer so. He and Dawn Blue suggested that it ended up being some type of unintentional 'bait and switch.'

Dawn Blue repeatedly brought up finances and Marc Cebrian explained tithing. He then got into RCG's "common" teaching and explained how RCG would subtlety try look into people's finances and try to pressure those with assets to provide more of them to RCG. He also mentioned that David Pack got angry with an RCG minister who 'allowed' a married member who sold a house to allow his wife to keep about $100,000 and not give it to RCG.

Marc Cebrian mentioned that RCG originally hoped to have a farm on its Wadsworth property, but later changed that as David Pack felt that the size of its Wadsworth properties fit with some temple dimensions in the Book of Ezekiel, and that since David Pack believed that he and Jesus would reign out of Wadsworth, that they did not have the space for a farm.

Apparently the farm was something that former WCG, UCG, and RCG minister, the late Dale Schurter, was supposed to be involved with. Marc Cebrian made positive statements about Dale Schurter, whom I also have met.

While RCG hopes its public face is positive, David Pack has long coveted money and he has had real problems with numerous wrong predictions, eg. see a post from last year: RCG’s David Pack about to be proven wrong again.

David Pack is a false apostle.

As long-term readers of this page are aware, I have long reported that RCG was losing membership and David Pack has made many prophetic errors. More losses and prophetic failures are expected. See also RCG: Why Not the Restored Church of God?

05/06/22 a.m. LCG had the following it its e-zine today:

If you are watching world news, you cannot help but see the recent rise in food scarcity around the globe. Escalating food prices are part of this reality. And recently, 29 U.S. states have been culling chickens to prevent the spread of avian flu that is impacting nations around the globe (The Guardian, April 28, 2022). Millions of birds have been slaughtered, with over five million killed at just one egg factory in Iowa! In other news, cooking oil is becoming scarce in Europe. Several UK grocery stores are now rationing cooking oil in response to scarcity created by the conflict in Ukraine (The Guardian, April 26, 2022).

While grocery shelves are thinning and some products are out of stock or limited, the state of world food is still relatively good—at least in Western nations. The sobering truth is that the scarcity we are beginning to feel is going to intensify as we approach the end of the age. Bible prophecy indicates that the availability of oil and wine will be greatly reduced, and a day’s supply of wheat or barley will cost up to an entire day’s wages (Revelation 6:5–6). 

Notice the following news item:

May 6, 2022

Snarled supply chains, adverse weather conditions in top growing areas, and conflict in Ukraine have wreaked havoc on the world's agricultural system. The latest sign of an emerging food crisis is comments from a top US fertilizer company that warns it could take two to three years for farmers to resupply the world's grain stockpiles. 

"Global grains stocks remain extremely low, an issue that has become amplified because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine

"We think it will take at least 2-3 years to replenish global grains stocks," Illinois-based CF Industries Holdings Inc.'s president and chief executive officer Tony Will said in a statement in Wednesday's earnings report. 

Over the years, Ukraine has earned the nickname "breadbasket of Europe" for its rich dark soil, vast wheat fields, and other farm goods.

Related to wheat and oil matters, Continuing Church of God put together the following video on our Bible News Prophecy YouTube channel:


Did you know that the sanctioned lands of Russia and Belarus are dominant suppliers of ingredients used in modern fertilizers? Are you aware that the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) estimates that 33% of the farmland in Ukraine may not be planted and/or harvested because of Russia’s ‘special military operation’ in Ukraine? Are parts of the world like Sudan, Lebanon, and the USA experiencing food price inflation? What about impact on the Palestinians in Gaza? Could any of this help lead to the rise of the King of the South? What are some factors that look to increase rice prices? Did Jesus warn of wars and troubles? What are three foods that Ukraine exports that are associated with the shortages and food price inflation of the ride of the third horseman of the Apocalypse? What does Jesus say His followers should do? Dr. Thiel addresses these matters in this video.

Here is a link to the video: Russia, Ukraine, Food, & the Ride of the 3rd Horseman of the Apocalypse.

Related to the beginning of sorrows and some of what LCG once knew, check out our latest video:


These Signs of the 4 Horsemen Have Begun

Are we at the time of the ride of at least some of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse? If so, are many prophecy watchers missing signs associated with them? History shows that authoritarian totalitarian regimes tend to arise after famines and/or pestilences. Those are events associated with three of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. Could the beginning of sorrows, and the associated ride of the first horseman of false ecumenical religion, have started in the Fall of 2009? What is the significance of this rider having a bow? Is Satan the prince of the power of the air? Did Dr. Thiel warn of a prophetic threat of a “novel” coronavirus back in 2013? Could COVID-19 been related to the taking away the peace from the earth that is associated with the ride of the red horse, the second horsemen of war? What are some of the ramification of the Russia-Ukraine military conflict and the opening of the second seal? Was Amos inspired to write that God does nothing without revealing it to his servants the prophets? Who warned of these matters? The ride of the third horse, the black horse of famine and food price inflation–specifically wheat, barley, edible oils, and wine. Since Ukraine is a major exporter of the first three, could this, as well as fertilizer shortages, have anything to do with the ride of that horseman? The pale horse of the fourth seal mentions one-quarter of humankind being subject to being killed by the sword, hunger, and pestilence–will this be a factor in the rise of the Beast of Revelation 13? Is persecution associated with the start of the Great tribulation and the rise of the Beast? Why is the Beast going to be in charge of a European-based empire? Will the opening of the first four seals and the starts of the rides of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse get Europe to reorganize such as is prophesied in Revelation 17:12-13? What does Jesus say you should do? Dr. Thiel addresses these matters and more in this video.

Here is a link to our video: These Signs of the 4 Horsemen Have Begun.

04/14/22 a.m. RCG seems to think that Jesus could return to its headquarters in Wadswoth, Ohio tonight. Here is something from its David Pack:

Things we were learning and examining yesterday and before CONTINUED to come clear to ALL of us at Headquarters. 


A Thursday Passover night arrival by Christ would be seven days before the “last day” (of Unleavened Bread!) or “that day” (the day of the Lord)—when the WHOLE world will keep the final day of Passover with Christ. 

We took EXTRA time to be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of the ENORMOUS number of passages that are involved. 

The EVIDENCE is simply OVERWHELMING—FAR BEYOND what you COULD imagine!

No, it is not possible that Jesus could return tonight. The 'evidence' is overwhelming against it, if David Pack would believe the Bible instead of his imagination. David Pack has made many false predictions and this is yet another.

04/08/22 a.m. LCG reported the following:

Demand for booklets, Bible Study Courses, and other materials are also remaining strong, but we may need to pull back a bit as income is not keeping pace so far in 2022. We suspect the end of government stimulus checks of the last two years, along with high inflation, is much of the reason. However, as we all know, God owns everything and can provide for our needs, so let us draw close to Him as we approach the Passover and Unleavened Bread, now only a week away.—Gerald Weston

It is not clear if only it is only the Living Church of God whose income is down in 2022 or if it is also down for other COGs. In the case of the Continuing Church of God , our comparable income for 2022 is, so far, up from 2021.

02/18/22 a.m. In a coworker letter dated, August 24, 1982, HWA wrote:


In his book, The Work of God Its Final Chapter, RCG's David Pack asks:

David Pack's implication is that was what the old Worldwide Church of God (WCG) taught. Having been a member of the old WCGr forty-five years ago and in it until years after Herbert W. Armstrong died,, I will state that the gospel being soley about the kingdom was not its position nor the position of the late Herbert W. Armstrong. None of the old WCG literature ever states that the gospel is SOLELY about the Kingdom of God.

More on the gospel and the kingdom can be found in the free online booklet:The Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

02/04/22 a.m. In its newsletter today, CEG reported the following:

How the EU Can Become a Superpower

Euractiv wrote on January 27:

The EU is losing its relative significance at the global stage every day; while we have the potential to be a superpower, it must be unlocked by necessary reforms, such as moving to qualified-majority voting in foreign affairs, according to Dr Federiga Bindi, expert on the EU’s foreign policy at a Citizens’ Panel of the Conference on the Future of Europe (CoFoE)…

“‘ As long as one country can block decisions, we will always go with the lowest common denominator. … Getting rid of unanimity is the number one priority in foreign and security policy… In terms of their individual military potential, even the strongest EU member states like France have puny armies compared to the rest of the world. In addition, maintaining separate armed forces is a huge waste of money… The reality is that our armed forces, at least at the leadership level, are already highly integrated. Their commanders genuinely talk to each other and work together. Still, we need more integration on the lower levels…”

The Bible shows that Europe will reorganize and become a dictatorship (cf. Revelation 17:12-13; see also Must the Ten Kings of Revelation 17:12 Rule over Ten Currently Existing Nations?)--so that will be the "final solution" to its need for massive consensus.

In its newletter today, LCG referred to a quote from the EU Observer that was part of the following:

20 January 2022

Power in Europe is becoming more intergovernmental and less democratic. ...

The world today is a very inhospitable place for the giant on clay feet that the EU has grown into.  (Sophie in 't Veld. Macron's vision will hit EU Council veto buffers.

The above brings the following to mind:

41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. (Daniel 2:40-44)

So, some in Europe see that it has insufficient unity as well as feet of clay. That is consistent with what we would expect based upon biblical prophecies for where we now are at in terms of the prophetic 'timetable.' More on what will happen in Europe is in the article: Europa, the Beast, and the Book of Revelation.

.01/08/22 p.m. The 7th Day COG News page posted the following:

Church of God Assembly

Sheldon C. Monson, Pastor, announced 8th of January 2022:

We are saddened to announce that Daryl Monson has been marked for cause. We pray he will repent and change soon so that he can be restored to fellowship and membership in the Church.

According to Scripture an individual must be “marked” for causing strife or division among members because not doing so will destroy the faith of others.

Romans 16:17 states: “Now I beseech you brethren, Mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which you have learned and avoid them.”

Those are all the details that were posted above, but will add that I have met both Sheldon and Daryl Monson in the past. In my view, Daryl Monson has long had governance issues, so this does not come as a surprise.

01/02/22 a.m. CCOG evangelist Evans Ochieng sent the following reports and photos about our Youth Camps this year:

Pastor Dr Bob,

Greetings from Kenya.
I have received reports from all YOUTH Camps in Kenya that the youth camp in December 2021 went very well. I recieved a very good report from kisii that youth camp was fantastic.  But camp at Ndhiwa was wonderful. The youths were very happy and the way they handled the camp this year was quite different. We gave them one full day for their discussion amongst themselves. We noticed that the youths can have a high understanding and true discipline when they get together and teach one another. We saw some good response towards the youth camp. The youths were very happy and some of them wanted me to extend the camp for another week. I was with two deacons who came to teach the youths. Granton Otieno and Kennedy Odhiambo from Oyugis. They gave powerful massages to the youths. I touch a lot from the books of dating by Dr Bob. This book is a very good book for youths above 18 years old. It touches a lot that can help youths to understand about dating and courtship.
The youths from Mbani and Oriang didn’t not attend because of the burial of one of the youths who was in university.
 This time we had 122 youths who attended the camp at Ndhiwa. Ezekiel Oanda also reported that they had many youths in Kisii. I also received a report from {Pastor} Sawek that the youths were so many in Chilani from Kaplecho, Daktech,  motosiet and Chilani. Some came from junction congregation where we supplied cement.
I also recieved a report from Njoro that there was a funeral.  A woman who have been in the CHURCH OF GOD for more than 30 years died a day to the opening date of YOUTH CAMP. So they postponed their youth camp till next week. The report was given by David Cheryot. So they will have camp by next week after burial.
What have noticed that the youth camp is very important and it’s really helping youths for their future life.
Here are some photos from Ndhiwa

Pastor Dr Bob,

Here is a photo of the youth camp in Kisii which is cent to me by pastor Ezekiel Oanda.
I didn’t report that Bradox took some videos at Ndhiwa youth camp which he is planning to send to YouTube.

It is great that the camps held went well, despite certain deaths.

Pastor Tiongik Sawek sent the following about the camp in his area:

Receive greetings in Jesus Name. The youth camp at Chilani went well. Bomet  and Mau  youth camp went on successfully. The Brethrens were blessed. We taught all the youths to avoid unnecessary plans that are not Godly. We had representatives from Kabolecho and Takitech. We had teachers who taught the youths, the elderly women also contributed in teaching girls to abstain from earthly ways. We taught as seen in Proverbs 22:2.  We taught them through the book of 2Timothy 3:1-7. We further encouraged them to respect the parents and the entire church. They learned a lot about the good ways in the Church and respect for their parents. This will enable them also to show their good behavior wherever they are. (Mathew 5:13,14). We pray that God may succeed the  promise by Evangelist Ochieng concerning constructions of  houses that will be used during church meetings. Attached is the picture taken on that day.

God bless you

Pastor Sawek

In the end time, we are to work to, “turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers” (Malachi 4:6). Youth camps are just one way to help do that.

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