Why Not the Restored Church of God?

Facts and Opinions By COGwriter of the Continuing Church of God (CCOG)

Over the years, several have asked me about the the Restored Church of God (RCG) and various ones affiliated with RCG asked me to write more about what RCG teaches.

To start with some history, on May 3, 1999, less than six months after he supported the takeover of the Global Church of God (GCG) by the modified board, this new board disfellowshipped David C. Pack. He then started RCG.

I should state at the beginning of this article, that RCG members (or prospective members) may not like the truth that this article contains--but if they truly have a love of the truth, I believe that they will greatly benefit from it. Perhaps it should noted towards the beginning of this article that David Pack made a variety statements in 2013 that were proven false, and hopefully that will show all that he is not God's apostle. Despite that, he claimed his group had the most fruits of any in 2013.

Perhaps it should be mentioned that although the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) has proper prophetic fruits, there are some doctrinal similarities between the CCOG and RCG. The leaders of both groups were once in the Worldwide Church of God (WCG) and then in the original GCG. Both groups keep the Sabbath, Holy Days, avoid unclean meats, etc. Both CCOG and RCG claim to teach the 18 truths that HWA claimed to restore to the church.

Both CCOG and RCG claim to, "Contend earnestly for the faith that was once for all delivered for the saints" (Jude 3). Both groups agree on many doctrinal issues as well.

Priorities

Perhaps the one of the most obvious differences between the groups is what they considered to be their top priority upon formation.

Bob Thiel of the CCOG claimed that CCOG would reach more people with COG message in its first 30 days than any non-GTA group that came out of the old Worldwide Church of God or Global Church of God. He claimed it would do this through various internet websites, radio interviews, and personal contact. And in its first thirty days it accomplished that (see CCOG met COG proclamation goal).

When RCG formed in 1999, David Pack stated that RCG stood for "precision of doctrine." In 2000, he wrote,

What are the priorities of Restored?
1. To gather and feed the flock of God and to teach them to hold fast to the exact precision of doctrines as handed down by Jesus Christ, through the apostles and prophets, including our own end-time apostle, Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong...
3. To be found doing the Work of preaching the gospel, as led by Jesus Christ, and as He gives us funds and time to do so in this age (Pack, David. Why the Restored Church of God? Booklet. 2000. pp.18-19).

Thus RCG started off teaching that preaching the Gospel should be its third priority as funds allow.

Now, it has been brought to my attention that David Pack later changed that booklet and changed the listed order of RCG's priorities. However, as time has gone on, the first listed priority has truly been the focus of RCG. Notice what David Pack told everyone his focus has been from 1999 to 2013 (14 years):

For over 14 years, The Restored Church of God has focused on leading those of like mind back to one group. (Pack D. “BACK TOGETHER”—What This Means! : June 7, 2013)

Yet, Herbert Armstrong, who RCG claims to follow, had a different focus as he taught:

In Matthew 28:19-20, God's order is 1) go and preach the Gospel (compare with Mark's version, same words of Jesus, Mark 16:15); 2) baptize those who repent and believe; then after that, 3) teach them to observe the commandments" (Armstrong, Herbert. Autobiography, p. 523).

But the commission to 'feed the flock' is second to that Great Commission (Armstrong, Herbert. Here's Good News. Good News, April 1951).

Unlike CCOG, RCG did not even attempt to start out by being faithful to the priorities that Jesus and Herbert Armstrong established for the Church when RCG was formed. And a top priority that David Pack has had for years was the construction of fancy buildings which he did succeed, to a degree, in getting in 2013.

Similar to PCG, RCG often seems to think that a Laodicean warning message is what the Philadelphia portion of the COG should proclaim. Notice what David Pack claimed in his 21st Century Apostle sermon, part 2:

Mr. Armstrong was a messenger to the 6th era. And even revealed that there are such men, 7 of them. He trained me to do the same. Mr. Armstrong was a Apostle. Yes brethren I hold that office. I do...

If I am not an apostle...I was not sent as a messenger to Laodicea...

I will not take a lot of titles...I never worried about Mr. Armstrong's titles...

This office outranks your leaders.

Notice that David Pack took the title of apostle and the title as a messenger to Laodicea. The idea of being a messenger to Laodicea should be clear proof that RCG does not have the same Philadelphia work that the WCG under HWA had. And the fact is that David Pack has taken titles he is not entitled to--no one laid hands upon him to anoint him in that role.

He also took another title:

God revealed to me during ELUL four years ago my role as the modern Joshua. (Pack D. Letter posted July 5, 2013)

Notice some additional detail about something else he posted in 2013:

We also learned God has a Plan to bring His people back to His House to do His Work. After false leaders captured the Worldwide Church of God (the WCG), brethren scattered in many directions. Since the apostasy, they have remained divided, while yearning to be together.

For over 14 years, The Restored Church of God has focused on leading those of like mind back to one group. (Pack D. “BACK TOGETHER”—What This Means! : June 7, 2013)

By David Pack's own admission, fulfilling Matthew 24:14 is not, and has not been, the focus of RCG. It also shows that fulfilling Matthew 28:19-20 is not its focus. Hence, David Pack is telling any who think about it that he and his group has not and will not lead what I have called "The Final Phase of the Work" (here is a related YouTube video titled The Final Phase of the Work; the written article has also been translated into Spanish: La Fase Final de la Obra). The fact that his focus is on other groups closing down should explain to all with eyes to see and ears to hear that his focus remains wrong.

A review of RCG's website and literature clearly shows that its emphasis, like that of PCG, is not to proclaim the gospel of the kingdom message, but to focus on the personality of David Pack as well as on chastising those who are in other Church of God fellowships (repeatedly referred to by David Pack as those affiliated with the "splinters"). This should be one of the most obvious changes that those with a WCG background will note if they read much of RCG's materials.

Its Internet Reach was Proof it is the Church?

Although it is unclear how RCG now spends its funds, it now seems to believe that its internet presence is proof that it has preached the gospel adequately:

Major Milestone—All 193 Nations Reached!: Through the Internet (used by well over 1 billion people) and other means, The Restored Church of God has now officially reached every country on earth! The last three were Comoros, Nauru and, finally, on Saturday, June 17, Equatorial Guinea.

This is a milestone within an end-time prophecy to be fulfilled by the one undivided Church through which Jesus Christ works. He foretold that just before the age ends the true gospel of the kingdom of God—the coming world-ruling supergovernment He would lead with the saints—would be announced to every nation: “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come” (Matt. 24:14)...

Reaching all 193 nations (most are reached every week) is another undeniable proof that the all-powerful, living Jesus Christ heads and directs but one Church and Work—The Restored Church of God! (Pack D. Major Milestone—All 193 Nations Reached! 6/23/06 on the internet).

Huh?

COGwriter.com reached over 200 nations/territories and accomplished that years before RCG did. Thus, by that standard, RCG should have been supporting COGwriter. FWIW, in 2012 the COGwriter site reached over 215 nations/territories too (and people from countries representing most people on the planet are reached pretty much every month at COGwriter). The CCOG reached at least 210 nations/territories in its first four months of existence (see CCOG: The Final Phase of the Work) and 225 in less than eight months (see The Final Phase of the Work).

Anyway, having one or more hits/visits from each nation has been obtained by other COGs (I suspect that both UCG and Barnabas Ministries did this years before RCG did this too--as undoubtedly several of the other COG sites most likely have), hence RCG should have been a bit more careful on how it tried to spin this. RCG is not unique in this accomplishment and took about seven years to do what CCOG did in four months.

While the internet is a useful gospel proclaiming tool, it, of itself, does not prove that Jesus Christ is directing the Restored Church of God. Again, if that is the criteria, then the first to do that (which WAS NOT RCG) would seem to have accomplished this better (as well as those COGs who have reached even more nations and territories than 193).

Instead, it seems to me at least, that once RCG noticed it got close to reaching 193 nations and territories, that it decided that this should be the new standard, but the fact that others had done this before should be ignored.

Is this not obvious to RCG supporters as well?

Furthermore, while David Pack indicated how much better RCG's internet impact would be in 2008, independent statistics show that RCG's impact has dropper dramatically in 2008. For details, please look at the news item Decline of the False Apostle. Furthermore, the Alexa rankings on September 9, 2008 showed that thercg.org (RCG's best ranking site) was simply not having the impact of the COGwriter website--cogwriter.com was more popular (214,605 vs. 256.417). And one thing that I have noticed is that when COGwriter gets more popular via Alexa rankings than RCG, RCG spends advertising money to get more to come to its site (this has not yet been done in any significant way yet for COGwriter.com or CCOG.org).

But a point of interest is that while RCG in 2010 was bragging once again about its internet growth and impact, it failed to do that around the first quarter of 2009 when it dropped--this was not in any RCG post I recall seeing.

Furthermore, on January 27, 2011, RCG's thercg.org website had an Alexa internet ranking of 185,503. This means that 185,502 websites are more popular than RCG's. And while 185,503 is not a bad ranking, the COGwriter website had an Alexa internet ranking of 154,255 about the same time. This means that the COGwriter website, which had never spent any money on advertising itself, was again significantly more popular than RCG's, despite the fact that RCG does spend a signficant amount of advertising money to promote its website.

RCG's Alexa ranking passed COGwriter again. On April 23, 2011 its ranking was 152,635 vs. 158,678 for COGwriter. As of February 21, 2014, RCG's Alexa ranking was 38,722 compared to 98,799 for COGwriter--but simply "buying" popularity through internet ads does not prove RCG is Philadelphian. The Continuing Church of God has a major reach and spends a very small fraction of the money that RCG does on the internet (probably 98% less). Also, the internet reach of the Continuing Church of God in languages such as Spanish and Mandarin Chinese likely greatly exceeds that of RCG (CCOG has more materials in additional languages as well).

Statistical Hypocrisy

RCG's April 2011 newsletter claimed:

Last month, 661 households asked to attend services at a local congregation, the second-highest total we have seen, after January’s 674. Even more important, the Church grew in membership by an absolutely incredible full 6.0 percent in March alone...On our websites, the March total download count was 1,180,565. This number is a record...(Pack D. April Brethren/Co-Worker Letter, posted April 21, 2011)

It is disappointing, to me at least, that more people are now seemingly being taken in by David Pack. He is a powerful speaker who sometimes convinces people of things that are truly not so. Hopefully, those supporting him will awaken before it is too late.

RCG tends to temporarily brag about certain statistics for a while, then switch to others when the previous ones are not as impressive. It has done this repeatedly over its history, yet his followers seem not to have caught on to this game.

Yet, RCG simply does not do the Philadelphia-era work, David Pack's words notwithstanding. And while it is planning on going on television in September 2012, since it has trouble with understanding what the gospel is, it will not truly be proclaiming the true gospel when it does.

Notice something that David Pack has in his booklet Why The Restored Church of God? Should You Join?:

“How Big Do You Expect RCG to Get?”

Many have asked how “big” we are—what is our attendance. I have no plan to answer this! Though I have a general idea, I do not know for certain and do not really care to know. The Restored Church of God is not concerned with “numbers.”

... I am determined that RCG will never “number Israel.” During Mr. Armstrong’s ministry, counting attendance was natural—and right. But the next stage of prophecy changed that completely! Philadelphians are now vastly outnumbered. Size—numbers!—mean nothing to God, and we do not emphasize or talk about how big RCG is!

RCG has always been concerned about numbers. So much so, that it almost always had various statistics that it has selectively bragged about for years (it just tends to change which one it brags about once it does not appear as positive).

Furthermore, RCG's David Pack, after writing the previously mentioned booklet, posted a letter dated 1-13-12 titled An Open Letter to All WCG Splinters RCG Fruits—Obvious Fingerprints of God! where he brags about and emphasizes many RCG statistics--there are pages of statistics and numbers he tries to brag about. Additionally, is not mentioning that attendance was up 6.0% in March 2011 indicative that David Pack and RCG are concerned about numbers? The hypocrisy and contradictions in RCG should be obvious, yet its members overlook them (though some finally do end up opening their eyes and leaving).

As as size, David Pack has been writing weekly posts for much of 2013 about size and his size goals. Here is something that he posted on June 7, 2013:

...the size of God’s Church will soon be much larger than the largest splinter—probably many thousands more. (Pack D. “BACK TOGETHER”—What This Means! : June 7, 2013)

Remember, this is the same David Pack who wrote, "Size—numbers!—mean nothing to God, and we do not emphasize or talk about how big RCG is!" The hypocrisy should be obvious.

The Work

In his last letter, Herbert Armstrong rebutted all arguments about the work being over as he specifically wrote,

It may be that the Work that God has given me to do is complete, but not the Work of God's Church, which will be faithfully doing God's Work till Christ, the True Head of this Church, returns...Remember brethren, this is not the work of Herbert W. Armstrong...The greatest work lies ahead...Never before in the history of the Church has it been possible to reap so great a harvest. It has only been made possible through modern technology, beginning with the printing press, radio, television...Each of you must commit yourself to support God's Work...God's work must push ahead as never before. God is opening up new doors in television" (Armstrong, Herbert. Letter, 1/10/86).

Furthermore, under Herbert Armstrong's leadership, it was taught:

The great door that God has opened to this work is the facility to go into all the world and preach the gospel; the door of radio, the door of the printing press, plus many other such doors. God has set before us an open door that no man can shut it, and He will when the work is finished and the Philadelphia Church goes to a place of safety (What is the "Laodicean Church"? Plain Truth. August 1959, p.10).

Yet, David Pack wrote,

Since Mr. Armstrong was not sure whether or not the open door was placed in front of Philadelphia or himself as its messenger, I have no intentions of acting presumptuously declaring it to be one way or the other. I sincerely do not know. I suspect that door is either closed or closing and have felt that this has probably been happening for some number of years (Pack, David C. Is the Work Finished? Booklet. 2000. p. 55).

It appears that David Pack answers the questions What is a True Philadelphian? and Should the Church Still Place its Top Priority on Proclaiming the Gospel or Did Herbert Armstrong Change that Priority? differently than those of Philadelphia remnant of the COG do (as best represented by the Continuing Church of God) and differently than HWA and Jesus did.

Look at what Jesus revealed to John:

"See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name" (Revelation 3:8).

No one can (or would) shut the door to the Philadelphia era! (until going to a place of safety--that is precisely what Herbert Armstrong's church did teach). I suspect that David Pack did not understand this completely when he started out.

However, now that RCG has a significant internet presence (though his ratings declined in 2008--please see Declines of the False Apostle and False Prophet), David Pack seems to be saying that without prioritizing the gospel proclamation, that RCG alone has accomplished the gospel proclamation that now needs to be done. Notice that in a later online version of essentially the same booklet, that David Pack has changed his position:

Misunderstanding scriptures such as this, many have come to believe that the Work as the Church and Mr. Armstrong did it for many decades is now finished, with all such responsibility to continue completed (Pack, David C. Is God's Work Finished? Booklet. version online 12/19/06).

It appears to me that David Pack was not Philadelphian when he began RCG and that he had no intention to have anything like a Philadelphia work. However, after his internet presence grew, he publicly decided that the work was not finished and that others misinterpretted the open door scriptures (but of course, that originally included him).

Perhaps I should emphasize that RCG has a tendency to use statistics in ways that suggest that it twists them. And while it seems to be claiming all types of growth in 2010, 2011,2012, and 2013, it does not seem to post certain real statistics such as actual revenues, financial statements, actual number of attendees, total baptized members in good standing, or other such real statistics. Historically, RCG has liked boast of relative statistics and how future numbers would look if the result of some months are projected out to the future.

Heresies

While David Pack and I have documented that the United Church of God (UCG) and Philadelphia Church of God (PCG) teach/tolerate heresies, David Pack takes it a step further by inaccurately stating that RCG is the only group that does not tolerate heresy (Pack, David. Why the Restored Church of God? Booklet. 2000).

And he also wrote,

Mr. Armstrong utilized the technological innovation of radio (coupled with the printed word) at the optimum time to carry the gospel to the world. To a lesser extent, certain early Sardis ministers utilized the printing press to spread the gospel. Add to this equation, the new technological innovation of computers coupled with the internet. This opens the potential for The Restored Church of God, as sole custodians of the full truth, to do a significant Work, as we rapidly approach the most crucial juncture in history. While Mr. Pack is not an apostle or a prophet, he is a pastor leading God’s people back into the full truth. The Philadelphian Work and remnant, being gathered together at this time, just before this age ends, is still alive and well! (Pack, D. The History of God's TRUE CHURCH, RCG Booklet, 2001, p. 74).

RCG seems to forget that Herbert Armstrong stated that the mission of the Philadelphia era of the Church was to proclaim the Gospel (Sermon. Mission of the Philadelphia Church Era, December 17, 1983), it was also a fundamental belief of the Philadelphia Era of the Church (Armstrong, Herbert. Fundamentals of Belief, Radio Church of God as quoted in Early Writings of Herbert W. Armstrong. R. Nickels, editor. Giving & Sharing, Neck City (MO), 1996, p. 31). Yet it is a lessor issue to David Pack as his previous comments above have shown.

In order to attempt to demonstrate why it is right, RCG announced a list of heresies in its 12/15/00 update (the list was originally online, but no longer is) which it believes demonstrates that all the 'splinter groups' are committing apostasy (I presume some of this list is in his 'splinter group' booklet and other later reports from RCG). Although David Pack does not specifically identify the groups by name (except accidentally once), a review of the 12/15/00 list shows that towards the beginning many of the heresies involve UCG and independents and that towards the end most involve PCG.

A few listed are odd beliefs from some fairly small groups. Some mentioned (e.g. #40-makeup,#45-tithing on net,#52-church attendance) apply to some degree to to certain COG groups, but by David Pack's own definitions, they are not heresies (Herbert Armstrong allowed them all at one time or the other). Several others which David Pack may have directed towards some are incorrect, incomplete, or pulled out-of-context. There are also a few that David Pack's point is not clear.

It is true that most of the 176 items in the David Pack wrote in his heresy list are heresies. And although the Bible is supposed to be the standard for doctrine and the determination of heresy, David Pack wrote,

Therefore, the standard for what appears on this list will be the teachings of Mr. Armstrong.

Yet, the following claimed 'heresies' by David Pack were to some degree taught/tolerated by Herbert Armstrong (my comments follow each in parentheses):

38. Interracial marriage may be unwise but it is neither wrong nor sin. (HWA did not disfellowship members in his Pasadena congregation for this. God apparently allowed at least two interracial couples on the ark, Genesis 6.)
40. Wearing makeup is permitted because it is falsely described as "just an administrative matter" or explained away by saying that "Mr. Armstrong went back and forth on it." (HWA did change his position on this matter several times--I have lived close enough to Pasadena for the past 34 years years to know this--also there are scriptural reasons supporting its permission; click here for an article on makeup.)
45. Most brethren now tithe on net income instead of gross. (HWA allowed nearly all non-US brethren to do this.)
52. An open-door policy now governs church attendance. (HWA initially had an 'open door' policy, then made it a nearly closed door policy, then opened it up again. Most of the COGs allow people with a WCG/COG background to attend without a loyalty declaration before attendance, but these are not normally open-door policies in the Protestant sense.)
69. Before being baptized, people no longer need to leave worldly clubs and organizations (i.e. Moose Lodge, etc.). (Although I never joined the Moose or anything similar, WCG encouraged this on at least two occasions while HWA was alive. Furthermore HWA also spoke before the Catholic 'Knights of Columbus' order and accepted an honorary doctorate from Angeles University, a Catholic institution per Good News magazine, August 1974, p. 20; he also was made a Knight/Commander in a Thailand governmental order--see AMBASSADOR FOUNDATION Presents Herbert W. Armstrong - Ambassador for World Peace. 1983, p. 29-31. Thus, there were times HWA felt that associations with other organizations had value.)
76. Seeking accreditation for Ambassador College was not wrong, contrary to what Mr. Armstrong said. (HWA wrote, "As you probably know, we are now in process of pursuing accreditation. Already two visits have been made to our campus by accreditation committees." Letter 1/21/71--Herbert Armstrong's original intent was for AC to be accredited per its 1947 catalog. Although in some writings HWA wrote against accreditation, in others he acknowledged that it could have been fine, but that some misled him in certain areas. Herbert W. Armstrong had no problem with regional accreditation for Imperial Schools: in the period 1965-1968 it became regionally accredited by WASC (the Western Association of Schools and Colleges). And after that occurred, HWA wanted WASC to accredit Ambassador College. But it did not occur. HWA objected to accreditation in 1968. Then in 1971, he changed his mind and wanted AC to apply again. And that time, AC did attain candidacy status for accreditation. He was pleased with that. But due to delays on AC's part and internal issues, it was not obtained. He was not pleased with that).

One Organization Position Differs From What Herbert Armstrong Taught

David Pack in his The True Church – One Organization, Or Many? booklet wrote:

In the past, God’s people all accepted the simplicity in Christ’s Matthew 16:18 statement—“I will build My Church”—and that it was solely fulfilled in the Worldwide Church of God, under Mr. Herbert Armstrong’s leadership. (You will see those who claim Mr. Armstrong taught otherwise are confused.) We knew the Church was a single, unified organization—and that it was the only place Jesus Christ is Head. We knew it could be traced through 2,000 years of history. We also understood without the slightest ambiguity that the true Church was also the undivided Body of Christ. In addition, we knew that some people in the WCG did not have the Holy Spirit, and were thus not part of Christ’s Body. Conversely, we recognized that there were occasionally people who received God’s Spirit outside the WCG (Mr. Armstrong explained this) but that they would always be led to the one place Jesus Christ was working and is the Head (he also explained this)!

And I tried to tell his followers that this was not the view of the late Herbert W. Armstrong. It is David Pack that is confused.

Interestingly, today, I ran accross something from the RCG booklet Herbert W. Armstrong His Life in Proper Perspective BY DAVID C. PACK WITH BRUCE A. RITTER, where it was written:

In the June 24, 1985 special edition of the Worldwide News, Mr. Armstrong wrote, “I continued to work with and fellowship with West Coast members of the Sardis era until 1942, when the rapidly growing work of the fledgling Philadelphia era required my full time. The present era was officially begun in October, 1933.”

So, Herbert Armstrong wrote that there were two eras and two COG organizations at the same time. He also never wrote as far as I can tell that Sardis ended (he even had early Ambassador College students attend CG7 services in the 1950s in areas that there were no Philadelphia era congregations).

Perhaps David Pack should have read his own booklet before writing what he did as there seems to be a contradiction here. In my view, RCG has long had difficulty truly understanding the writings and teachings of the late Herbert Armstrong. He, despite how he may wish to explain this away, needs to be careful about what he seems to insist upon in his writings.

Daniel and the King of the South

David Pack, who claims to stand for "precision of doctrine," essentially re-wrote HWA's Middle East in Prophecy booklet. But there was one editorial change that stood out for me.

Here is HWA's version,

Verse 43 says the Libyans and Ethiopians (observe that after its conquest by Mussolini, Ethiopia is not again referred to as the king of the south) shall be at his steps (Armstrong, HW. Middle East in Prophecy (1948, 1954, 1972 version).

RCG's David Pack seemed to have eliminated that insert from his earlier version of his re-write,

Then, verse 43 says, “the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.” shall be at his steps.” (Pack, David. The Mid-East in Prophecy. Copyright © 2001, 2002, 2004 by David C. Pack).

RCG's position seems to have been that Ethiopia would be the final King of the South, as years ago David Pack specifically wrote:

The King of the South is Ethiopia Once again, only Ethiopia continued and remained independent in East Africa from the time of the Roman Empire. Therefore, no other country or government could fit as the king of the south—i.e., by having been a part of the ancient land controlled by the “king of the south.” Remember, verse 40 explains that the setting is the time of the end. Once again, only Ethiopia continued and remained independent in East Africa from the time of the Roman Empire. Therefore, no other country or government could fit as the king of the south—i.e., by having been a part of the ancient land controlled by the “king of the south.”

And although HWA once felt that Ethiopia was a king of the South, HWA changed his position on the future king of the South. The following is from an article that was produced under HWA's leadership:

Bible prophecy reveals the coming emergence of an Arab-Moslem confederation in the Middle East. It is referred to in prophecy as "the king of the south" (Dan. 11:40). This confederation will play a crucial role in end-time events. (Seeing the World Through Islamic Eyes. Plain Truth, June 1983).

In 2011, I received the following in an email from RCG's Communications Director Jeffrey R. Ambrose:

The Restored Church of God has never taught that the final king of the south, yet ahead of us in time, will be Ethiopia...

Therefore, any attempt to portray the following as a “doctrinal change by RCG” would be misleading.

Here is our position on the future king of the south, as explained in detail in Mr. David Pack’s 2007 sermon on the subject:

·         The final king of the south is a conglomerate of radical Arab nations. These will separate from more moderate ones that ally with the king of the north, as described in Psalm 83.

Our position is very close to the one reflected in the 1983 Plain Truth article “Seeing the World Through Islamic Eyes.” (Ambrose J. King of the South. Email to COGwriter, 02/24/2011)

So, while I consider this to be a change (RCG has shown a tendency to be into revisionist 'history'), RCG apparently does not. But at least RCG currently seems to have this correct now.

In his World to Come Daily Audio, David Pack stated:

Daniel 11...verse 40 plainly speaks of the time of the end...All the verses proceeding, and through, verse 40 have been fulfilled. (Pack D. The Middle East in Prophecy (Part 6). August 2013, http://worldtocome.org/audio/the-middle-east-in-prophecy-part-6. Viewed 08/29/13)

But that is not quite what the late Herbert W. Armstrong taught. He clearly taught that there would be a future fulfillment of verses 21 on--for details, see the article Who is the King of the North? And while David Pack seems to understand some of that, he really is confused about various end time events.

Interestingly, David Pack took another stand against a teaching of Herbert W. Armstrong with his sermon on the 1335. Notice what his website stated:

While many understand what happens 1,260 days before Christ returns, as well as what happens 30 days earlier (the 1,290 date), no one understands what happens at the 1,335 days, referenced in Daniel 12:12 (NEWS AND UPDATES. Date: 2007-11-16 New Sermon. http://www.thercg.org/news.html viewed 11/21/07).

...one elder commented here at headquarters, if people can't be motivated by a clarion call to finish the work such as this, why will those same people somehow believe the internal signal given to the church of the 1335? Why would they believe it? (Pack DC. Clarion Call -- The Time is NOW! Sermon of 11/03/07).

Apparently David Pack has not read what Herbert W. Armstrong taught about this as Herbert W. Armstrong basically did understand it--and it is not an internal signal. This is just another example of RCG deviating from proper prophetic knowledge. More information on what Herbert W. Armstrong taught is in the article Who is the King of the North?

Despite all of this, notice another claim from David Pack:

You have come in contact with the only Church on the face of the earth that truly understands prophecy. On The World to Come program, we teach the meaning of today’s events, and what lies ahead for the world—and do so in detail. (Pack D. Did God Send Nostradamus? Real Truth, January 12, 2010).

Those who believe that statement from David Pack will be severely misled as he and his church clearly misunderstand various aspects of prophecy (as well as other bibical matters). Notice something that David Pack posted on June 7, 2013 about this:

Brethren will again be unified under one leader....Like so many other elements explained in this series, these governments will be miraculously CLOSED DOWN—and SOON!...

In two weeks—after one more important set up announcement—I will announce the year and very day that this reunification will happen. But I am not a prophet! Understand. I have NO AUTHORITY to make my own proclamations about anything regarding prophecy. (Pack D. “BACK TOGETHER”—What This Means! : June 7, 2013)

David Pack is correct that he is not a prophet and that he has "NO AUTHORITY to make" his "own proclamations about anything regarding prophecy." He has made wrong prophetic announcements, misunderstands prophecy, and has been misleading people prophetically.

To learn more about the role and requirements to be a prophet please check out the article How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God (there is also a sermon-length video titled How to determine if someone is a true prophet of God; here is a related link in Spanish/español: ¿Cómo determinar si alguien es un verdadero profeta de Dios?).

Speaking of prophecy, I once recall hearing David Pack in a sermon blast Dr. Meredith of LCG when he said that the end was more than seven years away seven or eight years ago. Dr. Meredith, of course, was right on that, but David Pack has not seemed to issue an apology.

As far as the King of the South goes, those who want more information should check out the article Is the Future King of the South Rising Up?; a YouTube video of related interest may be: The Future King of the South is Rising.

Misunderstands Prophecy About the Man of Sin

David Pack claims:

I have taught prophecy ­extensively—­and ­correctly!—the truth of established understanding—­for over 40 years, probably much, much more than ANY other pastor during this same period. I wanted people to know what lies ahead. (Pack DC. HAGGAI—A Prophecy for OUR TIME! (Part 1). May 3, 2013)

Yet, he misunderstands various prophecies. I bolded the above as he has been proven wrong about a lot of what he predicted/interpreted Haggai, etc. to mean in August 2013.

For a specific one, notice that David Pack teaches:

This two-horned beast gives “power” to the first beast...So this beast, then, appears to be religious...Remember also, this two-horned beast possesses such awesome power that it inspires the world to worship the beast...

The second beast is able to perform miracles. He does this “in the sight of” the first beast—the Holy Roman Empire. These miracles are so extraordinary—so mesmerizing—that they allow him to deceive the whole earth! Finally, the beast is worshipped as a result. This future religious leader will lead the final resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire alongside a great civil leader.

In II Thessalonians 2:3, this same religious leader is called the “man of sin.” Revelation 19:20 refers to him as a “false prophet.”

(Pack, David C. Who or What Is the Beast of Revelation? http://rcg.org/books/wowitbor.html viewed 05/05/13)

Yet, as the Bible teaches, the two-horned beast is NOT the man of sin in 2 Thessalonians 2. Even though David Pack realizes (and wrote above) that the two-horned beast "inspires the world to worship" the first "beast," he comes to the wrong conclusion about 2 Thessalonians 2. David Pack is relying on his preferred tradition over the Bible here.

The New Testament teaches that the man of sin "exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped" (2 Thessalonians 2:4).

The Old Testament teaches that the King of the North "shall exalt and magnify himself above every god" (Daniel 11:36).

The New Testament teaches that "All who dwell on the earth will worship" (Revelation 13:8) the first Beast, the ten-horned beast (Revelation 13:1).

This worship is not directed towards the false prophet, the two-horned beast of Revelation 13:11-17. And the Bible teaches that the false prophet, the second beast of Revelation 13 "causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast" (Revelation 13:12).

Read it for yourself in your own Bible.

Even though people will likely worship both beasts, the descriptions in the Bible that describe the ten-horned beast/King of the North are much closer to the man of sin discussed in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 than any about descriptions the false prophet. 

Those who truly understand prophecy and who prayfully study the word of God for doctrine should realize this. David Pack also does not understand and accurately teach who the "man of sin" is, but we in the Continuing Church of God do.

(More on this topic can be found in the article Who is the Man of Sin of 2 Thessalonians 2?; there is also a brief YouTube video on this topic titled Who is the Man of Sin?)

Sideburn Heresy

In a booklet by David Pack it states:

It was a ceremonial custom of the heathen to cut and trim beards and hair into special shapes that would honor a particular pagan deity—often the sun god... Conversely, a round bald spot may have been shaved on the head. (This is one reason that a male should not shave off his sideburns. Doing this also makes him appear feminine) (Pack. D. Did Jesus Have Long Hair? PROPER HAIR LENGTHS AND STYLES IN GOD’S CHURCH. http://www.thercg.org/articles/djhlh.html Viewed 12/20/07).

This sideburn teaching is not one I recall from Herbert W. Armstrong. Thus, I who do shave my limited (I am partially Chinook) sideburns cannot be in RCG, because of this heresy--nor perhaps can those of American Indian descent as their males normally do not have sideburns to even be able to shave them.

Furthermore, one time I examined a picture of David Pack, he seemed to have shaved his sideburns, so perhaps he might wish to reconsider what he wrote here. However, it is of interest to note that RCG often seems to be excessively focused on appearance--something that the Apostle Paul warned against (2 Corinthians 10:7).

144,000 Heresy?

As mentioned earlier, David Pack defined heresy as doctrines that differ from "the teachings of Mr. Armstrong". Yet he clearly does that himself.

Regarding the identity of the 144,000, Herbert Armstrong wrote:

WHO Are the 144,000?

You have probably heard many interpretations. They are all in error. Men are unable to interpret this prophecy. The first thing to notice is that the TIME of the sealing of this 144,000 is yet in the future--it is after the Great Tribulation and the heavenly SIGNS, and just before the plagues of God's Judgments! It has not happened yet!

Second, this prophecy is plain, and means just what it says-- 144,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel--12,000 of each tribe. Where are they today? Where are the lost ten tribes?

But these 144,000 are not all! "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands... And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:9, 13-14) (Armstrong HW. The Book of Revelation Unveiled at last!. WCG, 1972, p. 35).

But notice what RCG now claims that David Pack:

144,000 Explained: David C. Pack’s sermon series identifying the 144,000 and the Great Multitude has now been posted. An object of speculation for decades, this mysterious group has never been understood until now. You will learn why it could not be unlocked until God’s time came. The problem with the endless human theories is their authors simply could not recognize this subject to be like a 1,500-piece puzzle. This kept them from looking for and assembling every piece, without which they had no chance of reaching the correct conclusion—of seeing the full picture. Nor then was there any chance of comprehending the colossal implications of this incredible Bible doctrine! (NEWS OF THE WORK http://www.thercg.org/news.html Date: 2006-12-09).

Since HWA said he understood who it was in 1972, and RCG says no one knew until late 2006, that RCG is not teaching what HWA taught about it.

I listened to some of part 3 of David Pack's 144,000 message. In it, he teaches:

The splinters...do not get it right because God would not reveal it to them...Gentiles can be part of the 144,000...You are all one in Christ...The twelve tribes are not talking about the twelve tribes of Israel (Pack David. The 144,000 and the Great Multitude. Part 3. Posted 12/09/06).

But Herbert W. Armstrong taught (bolding mine):

The 144,000 are 12,000 from each of the literal tribes of Israel. (Rev. 7:4) They are sealed by the Holy Spirit. IN their foreheads, and it is THE FATHER'S NAME that is sealed there. (Rev. 14:1) The TIME of this sealing, then, is yet future - after the Tribulation, after the heavenly signs, after the SIGN of Christ's coming appears in heaven (Armstrong HW. The key to the Book of Revelation. WCG, 1972, p. 10).

Sadly, David Pack, who has now directly contradicted Herbert Armstrong's teaching on this matter, is another man who was unable to interpret this prophecy. David Pack is NOT an apostle who is faithful to the teachings of Herbert Armstrong.

In the same message, David Pack claims that while knowledge of the 144,000 is important, he states that the knowledge of who the final Elijah is, is more important (David Pack was an erroneous understanding concerning Herbert Armstrong here).

Since David Pack claims that believing that HWA is the only one who could be the end-time Elijah, and that knowledge is more important than who the 144,000 are, why would David Pack blatantly contradict HWA's teachings here?

The 144,000 is simply another prophetic area that RCG is not faithful to the teachings of either the Bible or Herbert W. Armstrong.

It appears that RCG intends to have various differencs in prophetic understanding than HWA had. And I suspect, more based upon the opinions of David Pack than upon the Bible.

A New Command?

In David Pack's September 7, 2000 letter to the "Brethren, Co-Workers and Subscribers" he wrote:

...I have abided by that most difficult commandment to not answer accusers. And I'll ask you when deciding whether I am guilty of the accusations against me, to consider how well or poorly I have followed God's command to "not answer our accusers...Some months ago I wrote and we distributed a booklet entitled Should Accusers Be Answered? If you read that booklet, you know that God commands us to not answer our accusers.

It should be noted that there is no command in the Bible to not answer our accusers. There are several scriptures which suggest that wisdom should be employed in providing or not providing an answer, but to state that there is a biblical command when there is not, seems like heresy to me--it should be pointed out, however, that when David Pack was approached on this, he admitted his error.

Jesus Himself also warned that it was incorrect to "strain a gnat and swallow a camel" (Matthew 23:24), which is what RCG appears to do at times.

But He Endorses Others Who Violate His "most difficult commandment to not answer accusers"

While I have written this article and a few other things about RCG, I never have considered that honest theological reporting was being an accuser. But I have been told that David Pack's demeanor visibly (and negatively) changes when my name is mentioned (I was told this a couple of years ago by an RCG member) and so, he apparently considered/s me to be an accuser (or at least one of concern).

And while David Pack has taken several shots against me (most often without using my name as that may get people to better realize that he is an accuser of the brethren. Actually in RCG's first "strategic report," I was apparently the subject of nearly 1/4 of it and about 1/5 of RCG's second "strategic report"), he apparently seems to feel that using someone else to do that is fine.

The Elijah Question

One of the areas that David Pack is known for has been his insistence that Herbert W. Armstrong was the final Elijah. But is his position based on the Bible?

Here is some of what he wrote,

And John was also not "a prophet." Since he was a forerunner of Mr. Armstrong, this fact is important. Christ said that he (this one who was a type of Elijah) was actually "MORE THAN a prophet." This is a fascinating statement! The Bible says the Two Witnesses "are prophets" (Rev. 11:3, 10). Mr. Armstrong was an apostle. This means he also was "more than a prophet" (I Cor. 12:28-29; Eph. 4:11) and, at the same time, more like John the Baptist than either of the Two Witnesses...A related point needs examination. Mr. Armstrong has been accused of being a "false prophet" many times. Here is the point-and most never seemed to understand this: Mr. Armstrong was NEVER a prophet. He was always "more than" a prophet-he was an apostle! To those who apparently went out to "see a prophet," you missed the entire point of one of the greatest reasons why Mr. Armstrong was the final Elijah! It is also one of the reasons we can now see, in retrospect, his office was greater than that of the Two Witnesses (I, like the rest of the Church, once thought he would be one of them). He was an APOSTLE. They will be PROPHETS. To assert that the final Elijah will be one of the Witnesses is to, in fact, diminish-reduce-the office of Elijah (I WILL SEND ELIJAH TO RESTORE ALL THINGS. RCG Booklet, Copyright © 2002, 2003, 2004 by David C. Pack).

The Bible, in Malachi 4:5, states that "Elijah the prophet" is to be sent--I do not believe that God is diminishing the role of the future Elijah by calling him a prophet. David Pack is correct that the two witnesses are prophets and that HWA said he was not a prophet.

The Bible shows that Elijah (I Kings 18:36; II Chronicles 21:12), John the Baptist (Matthew 11:9; Luke 7:26) and the two witnesses are (Revelation 11:10) all specifically referred to as prophets. Jesus referred to John the Baptist as,

A prophet? Yes, I say to you and more than a prophet. For this is he of whom it was written: Behold I send my Messenger before Your face, Who will prepare Your way before you (Matthew 11:9-10)

So for David Pack to teach that John the Baptist was not a prophet is simply not biblically accurate.

Clearly since Jesus taught that the reason that John the Baptist was more than a prophet was because he had an important and specifically foretold job and this is also true of the two witnesses, as both of them could be considered 'a prophet and more than a prophet'. To learn more about prophets, see also the article How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God.

For much more biblical information, as well as analysis of quotes from Herbert Armstrong on this subject, please read the article The Elijah Heresies.

2012 Critique of Bob Thiel's Who are the Two Witnesses? and Related

On 5/25/12, David Pack decided to write about me as follows:

One blog writer...—introduces his article “Who Are the Two Witnesses” with the following. Note the ambiguous terms used throughout (emphasis mine): “The Book of Revelation describes two individuals who are called the ‘two witnesses.’ Who are the two witnesses? What is their job? What does the Bible reveal? What has the Church of God (COG) taught on this subject? Might Roman Catholic prophecies give some clues here?

“This article will briefly attempt to answer those questions. Also, please note that the terms may, might, seem, possibly, etc. are used throughout portions of this article—those type of terms are used intentionally to distinguish that certain statements are still unclear. Hence, speculative comments are normally identified, as they may change. But they do attempt to explain information.”

The only thing the writer forgot to say is that “I am ignorant and you should not read one more word.” He continues, “Interestingly, the Book of Revelation refers to the seven Churches as lampstands (Revelation 1:20) and the two witnesses as ‘two lampstands,’ hence the two witnesses are intended to represent the Church [we will later see this is wrong]…”

“Because the above scripture [Zechariah 4] is prophetic, I suspect that the ‘two olive trees...who stand besides the Lord of the whole earth’ are two men currently on earth who are supporting the work of God.”

Then quoting Haggai 2:3-5 about Zerubbabel (who Mr. Armstrong plainly stated he was a type of), the blog writer states (again, emphasis mine), “Of course, since Christ is the foundation, the chief cornerstone (Matthew 21:43) of the temple of Christians (1 Corinthians 3:16), ‘Zerubbabel’ may be a type of Christ—especially since Jesus is specifically prophesied to return (Revelation 17:14) and destroy the kingdom of the Gentiles (Revelation 11:15; Haggai 2:21-23).

“Yet, since ‘Zerubbabel’ saw the original temple and is not recorded as laying its foundation, then perhaps ‘Zerubbabel’ could be someone prophesied…If so, he would help finalize the work, and perhaps God would grant him the faith to flatten a mountain…”

“Because at least one is ‘chosen’ this may be that Zorobabel/Zerubbabel and ‘Jesus’/Joshua are a type of the two witnesses (Zechariah 3:8-10; 4:1-14; Haggai 2:3-5,23). Other scholars seem to have tied also Zerubbabel and Joshua as types of the two witnesses (Jamieson, et al. Commentary on Zechariah 4:11-12. Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary). Since the name Zerubbabel, son of Salathiel (Haggai 2:23, DRB; or Shalthiel 1 Chronicles 3:17, KJV), means descendant of, or born of, Babylon (OT:2216; Zerubbabel. Biblesoft’s New Exhaustive Strong’s Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary) or “stranger at Babylon,” he may have been born into a family that was part of the religion that will support the final Mystery Babylon of Revelation 17:5. Joshua, Yehowshu’a, seems to mean “Jehovah saves” (Ibid, OT: 3091). This Joshua’s father’s name was Josedech (Haggai 1:12), meaning “Jehovah-righted” (OT:3087). Perhaps the names Zerubbabel and Joshua indicate that one of the witnesses was born into a Roman Catholic family while the other was born into a Church of God family.”

This speculative carnal nonsense is so ludicrous to any with God’s Spirit that no comment here is necessary. The man goes on throughout the article to quote and reference Catholic sources!...

I state without apology and with God’s authority that both of the Two Witnesses will be members of The Restored Church of God! Of this there can be no doubt! (Pack, David C. Where Will the Two Witnesses Come From? posted 5/25/12. Viewed 05/27/12)

Astute readers will immediately pick up on the fact that David Pack provides no true documented facts to challenge my writings. He resorts to his exaggerated assertions combined with the repeated use of insult--he often uses tactics of bullies. This is yet another reason why the falsely-named Restored Church of God is not what it claims it is. Those who read and understand all of this Why Not the Restored Church of God? article should be able to see why the two witnesses will not be part of David Pack's RCG and that he does not have God's authority as he claims. His attempt at using "smooth words" is an attempt to cause problems (Romans 16:17)--he sadly does not understand the truth about many things.

David Pack, in his rush to try to condemn me, fails to realize that the old Radio Church of God and Worldwide Church of God also sometimes cited Catholic sources. Furthermore, Catholic prophecies were the main emphasis of at least two published articles under Herbert W. Armstrong's leadership. If David Pack and others have forgotten this, perhaps they should read my article Do Certain Catholic Prophecies About Antichrist Warn Against Jesus? where I quote from those two articles. Do not David Pack's followers realize that he seems to not understand how the COG has historically used Catholic sources?

For those who do not want to read my articles showing this, perhaps you will read the articles I cited: Hill David Jon.  Christ or Antichrist.  Good News magazine, Radio Church of God, April 1961 and Hill, David Jon. Will you be deceived by Antichrist? Good News magazine of the Radio Church of God, October 1964. These articles clearly prove that the old COG used Catholic sources and prophecies like I have (plus there are numerous other Catholic sources quoted in a lot of the old literature).

David Pack has the foolishness to refer to me as ignorant, suggests people not read another word of my article, then quotes from more of my article, while making it clear to people who know COG history that it is David Pack who seems ignorant about related matters. This is the same David Pack who falsely declared me as part of the Synagogue of Satan earlier in 2012 (RCG’s David Pack Says COGwriter, Dr. Meredith, COG leaders, etc. ‘Part of Synagogue of Satan’), so it is strange that he wants to read more from me. The fact that he is actually reading my articles indicates that perhaps he can repent and become less ignorant, though his latest post suggests that he is overlooking the truth even when it is documented and presented to him.

David Pack seems to also be criticizing me, because I used words like "may" or "perhaps" to distinguish between those statements from the actual word of God vs. how I understand certain matters as until the actual two witnesses receive power per Revelation 11:3 or elsewise, certain aspects of their identity may remain unclear. This is not something he should have despised or criticized, it is something that he, if he truly is part of the COG (which I doubt), should have praised and encouraged (the Apostle Paul, for example, used the word "perceived" in Acts 27:10 and later it was shown that his perception was in error in Acts 27:22). His pride that he is absolutely right on certain matters that are not clear from scripture, his excessive love of himself, his false statements about me and others, his obsession with money, etc. speak volumes about who he really is.

People like David Pack seemed to be warned about in the following scriptures:

1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. (2 Timothy 3:1-9)

Those who follow David Pack should realize that he fits the above quite well (not every point, but Paul was not saying every one must clearly have all of them--but that there would be people with several of those traits)

For additional proof about his pride and slander, in the same post, David Pack also wrote:

Roderick C. Meredith, leader of LCG, said this about the Two Witnesses: “Malachi 4 teaches...vs. 5, ‘Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD’...Elijah may be one of the two witnesses...They (the two witnesses) have power to shut up heaven, like the original Elijah did...These two men are a definite type of Elijah and Moses. And one of them may be the end-time Elijah” (“The Elijah Question,” sermon, May 19, 2001). Roderick Meredith’s position is utterly false and unbiblical, and contrary to what Mr. Armstrong taught.

David Pack is bearing false witness here. Not only was Dr. Meredith's position on this point biblical, it is in accordance with what Herbert Armstrong taught. L107 from the old Worldwide Church of God is on the two witnesses. Notice what WCG taught about the witnesses being similar to Elijah while Herbert Armstrong was alive:

These two witnesses are two human beings who are given extraordinary power for 3 1/2 years just prior to Christ's return (verse 3). If any man attempts to hurt them before their ministry is up, "...fire proceeds out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies" (verse 5). Note how similar this is to the power given to Elijah (II Kings 1:9-15). They also have power over the rainfall, to produce drought and famine as did Elijah (Luke 4:25; I Kings 17:1-7), and to smite the earth with plagues (Rev. 11:6). Their mission will be to give one final warning (Armstrong HW, editor. The Plain Truth Personal Correspondence Department response on the two witnesses to Mr. and Mrs. Thiel. September 13, 1984).

The above is something that David Pack should have known about as it was not just in a letter to me, but was the official letter from WCG on this. Furthermore, it has been in my Who Are The Two Witnesses? article for years--which presumably David Pack recently read as he critiqued the article.

Additionally, and it has also has been in my Who Are The Two Witnesses? article for years, notice what Herbert W. Armstrong himself wrote:

Therefore it seems that the most logical identification of the two witnesses is the one generally accepted--Moses and Elijah...John the Baptist was NOT Elijah, as he plainly said, yet he came in the power and spirit of Elijah. Compare John 1:21, Mat. 11:14, and the explanation in Luke 1:17. So it is likely the two witnesses will be two men who will come in the spirit and power of Elijah and Moses... (Armstrong HW. What is Going to Happen? The Plain Truth. June-July 1934, p. 7).

Thus, my position is consistent with what the late Herbert Armstrong taught, contrary to the inaccurate assertion of David Pack.

In that same post of 5/25/12, David Pack makes other assertions that his followers tend to accept, that are highly suspect, such as:

You are about to learn what almost no one understands! Ironically, much of it was understood by everyone in the Church when Mr. Armstrong was alive...Again, since prophets hold the second highest office in the Church, this re-introduces, “Where is the apostle with whom the Two Witnesses interact?”

This question never arose before 1986, because the entire Church had thought for many years that Mr. Armstrong would be alive when the Two Witnesses appeared. Since he is gone, and almost all have assumed there will be no other apostle to whom the Two Witnesses can report, this question arises: “How can these men carry out this duty?”

While the Two Witnesses have not appeared as yet, they must report to, and work under—at least until their commission begins—a human apostle.

But while some of that is true, the fact is that Herbert Armstrong never believed that the two witnesses would need to report to an apostle. If so, he would have had someone anointed to be an apostle, but never did--and that was INTENTIONAL on Herbert Armstrong's part according to what I was personally told by his long-time aide Aaron Dean.

David Pack's broad assertions are again, based on opinion, and opinion somewhat removed from the facts. Also the fact that the two witnesses are essentially sent by God, they are sent (apostle means "one sent"). To conclude with the logic that David Pack uses that the two witnesses must report to an apostle is going beyond what scripture teaches or that the late Herbert Armstrong taught.

In his Haggai letter dated May 3, 2013, David Pack wrote:

Mr. Armstrong in time came to realize that he would die, and without knowing Joshua’s identity. It is not the immediate purpose here to identify Joshua. That will come later. But it is important to realize that Mr. Armstrong knew he was Zerubbabel and that Joshua would follow Zerubbabel and be revealed in his time. As with learning that he was Zerubbabel, and then teaching this to the Church, Mr. Armstrong obviously realized that Joshua would similarly learn his own identity and also similarly teach it to the Church.

He followed up with the following statement in his July 5, 2013 letter:

Mr. Armstrong knew the ancient Zerubbabel having been born to a man named Shealtiel had nothing to do with his prophetic fulfillment of this role. The same would be true of the modern Joshua regarding the irrelevancy of the ancient figure Josedech...Of interest, God revealed to me during ELUL four years ago my role as the modern Joshua.

David Pack is teaching that he is that "Joshua" and claims that God revealed this to him four years ago. He is in error on that--whoever revealed that to him, we can be sure that it was NOT the God of the Bible. Some information about Zerubabbel and Joshua is included in the articles Who Are The Two Witnesses? as well as the one titled The Temple and the Work.

Sadly, David Pack is into his own ego and imaginations and does not understand enough of the truth about the two witnesses (for more information, please see Who Are The Two Witnesses?), nor the truth about the Elijah matter (The Elijah Heresies). Note: Herbert Armstrong's writings prove that he was not Zerubbabel, and that quote from him is in the article Who Are The Two Witnesses?

2012 Critique of Bob Thiel's TW: The Rise of Atheism Post

In a bizarre article dated 8/16/12, David Pack has the following title and description of it:

Mr. David Pack’s extensive new article, “Is the Falling Away (II Thes. 2:3) a Coming Worldwide Rebellion Led by the Man of Sin?,” addresses this false teaching head-on and peels away its many layers of carefully crafted deceit.

Every question an LCG member could possibly have about a subject much more important than many believe is covered in detail.

The last statement is false and misleading. The article does not cover in detail every "question an LCG member could possibly have." Having looked into this matter in detail and discussed the subject with various ones in LCG, David Pack's new article is incomplete, from at least my perspective (as well as various ones in LCG).

Furthermore, in that article David Pack falsely posted the following about me:

We could also include here a statement from Rod Meredith’s puppet used to attack others, Bob Thiel, to show how he has quickly fallen into line with the new error/thinking. But his words are better held for later when they can be shown in stark contrast to what he once believed, in his own words...

Mr. Armstrong occasionally cited II Thessalonians 2:3 to illustrate what happened to first century Christians turning away from Christ and the apostles’ original gospel message...

But first, we examine how LCG’s designated attack/spinmaster has quickly stepped in line with the new teaching.

Bob Thiel Reinforces New Belief

Bob Thiel, a widely read LCG “blogger” referenced earlier, has of course publicly weighed in on the new teaching, and also of course supports it by having reposted (adding his own article) LCG’s May 3, 2012 “News and Prophecy” report, under “Rise of Atheism.” You will momentarily read a second public statement from Thiel PROVING that his thinking has flipped...

What did I write? I, Bob Thiel, wrote against atheism and quoted scriptures against not believing in God. The full name of the post was TW: The Rise of Atheism. The fact that I perhaps quoted more of the TW than needed just for that (and which contained some statements that were consistent with a radio broadcast from HWA in the early 1980s on the subject) is no justification for David Pack's false claims about me (I also had no idea a change to LCG's position related to falling away was actually coming out--sometimes the TW News & Prophecy e-zine has contained matters that LCG indicated to me perhaps should have been better edited prior to distributution).

Furthermore, I was never a puppet for LCG. LCG did not review what I posted at COGwriter and rarely comments about it. David Pack is bearing false witness. And of course, when I concluded that LCG had insufficient love of the truth, I left to support the Continuing Church of God. Additionally, I wrote articles such as The Falling Away: The Bible and WCG Teachings. Here is a related link in Spanish/español: La Apostasía: Enseñanzas de la Biblia y de la WCG. There are also two YouTube video sermons I did on the subject: The Falling Away Part 1: From the Bible and Church History and The Falling Away Part 2: Positions Presented by Others.

David Pack went further and actually quotes something I wrote in a different article. And while I stand by what I wrote in that article, David Pack goes on and states:

Like me during my GCG years, Thiel could not have posted, and for so long, his next public statement unless it was LCG’s official position for 14 years (and Rod Meredith’s for this and much longer). Thiel also becomes an additional proof that Rod Meredith (and LCG) until recently believed the Church’s long-held position. Originally posted in 2006, but actually updated in 2012, Thiel wrote the following in his article “The Philadelphia Church era,” interestingly, under the subhead “The Command to Persevere”

I, up until May 13, 2012, never asked what LCG's official position was, so saying that what I wrote is proof of what R.C. Meredith believed is irrelevant. David Pack has trouble with the truth here. David Pack may have felt he had to compromise to do what he did during GCG, but as COGwriter I was not under direct supervision of anyone in LCG (nor the old GCG when I was in it)--and left LCG when it was clear that certain compromise was expected.

And even though my position on the falling away matter has not changed, David Pack also falsely posted:

Bob Thiel has clearly changed—and you will soon see that what he fell into is a popular belief in the churches of a world that could not possibly understand the true meaning of II Thessalonians 2:3. Since you can understand, the question becomes: Will you see this deception for what it is? Or will you be just another “Bob Thiel” who goes along to get along because to do otherwise would be to jeopardize one’s standing? Thankfully, some people are not as easy to fool as Thiel.

Yet, if David Pack was interested in the truth, he would have been more careful than to post the above as the above conclusions are mainly lies from his own imagination. I WAS ALWAYS OPPOSED TO THE FALLING AWAY CHANGE--I HAVE PAPERS DATING BACK YEARS PROVING IT--DAVID PACK IS BEARING FALSE WITNESS ABOUT ME HERE--EVEN THOUGH I EXPLAINED THIS TO J. AMBROSE, DAVID PACK STILL (AS OF 7/19/13) HAS THIS FALSE WITNESS UP ABOUT ME. DAVID PACK IS BEARING FALSE WITNESS AND THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO FOLLOW HIM ARE ACCEPTING THE WORDS OF A COMMANDMENT BREAKER!

On May 13, 2012, when it looked to me that change in formal position may be taking place, I contacted the HQ evangelists and urged them to reconsider certain points. Dr. Winnail ended up contacting me late the next month and discussed his idea to come out to see me. Before I played his "Falling Away" sermon, I was told in July 2012 by two LCG ministers that I would probably not have issues with that sermon, so I played it and watched it. After watching it, I contacted LCG and produced several long documents stating my concerns which were sent in July and August 2012.

And if David Pack would have read my old LCG news page he should have been able to guess that I was not going along the way he suggested. May God forgive him of his false accusations here.

David Pack has implied at times because he thinks he is an apostle, that God will back him, even if he is wrong. David Pack's posted conclusions about me are clearly erroneous. God cannot bless falsehoods. I am trying to explain true things, God is the judge, while Satan is the false accuser of the brethren. I have not written false accusations against David Pack--he has done that, however, towards me (he and his staff know full well that if I have, by accident of course, made any factual errors about RCG that I am always willing to correct them--he has had his staff contact me several times in the past and I stand by what I have written; though I am not perfect, can make typos, etc.).

Readers, will you listen to the truth or will you be just another “David Pack” who goes along based on false accusations and assumptions that are not truthful? If you are being another “Bob Thiel” as he calls it, you will have stood for biblical beliefs even if others do not always see it your way. And that is what I have always striven to do.

September 12, 2012 update to this: Apparently on September 12, 2012, RCG updated its article on the falling away related to me. They changed it, which is their right and removed much of what I quoted from them above.

But what is bizarre is that the 9/12/12 update falsely claims/suggests that I changed my falling away position because of emails from other LCG members--that is totally false. It also claims that I tried to hide removing article changes. The following RCG statements, and there are others as well, are totally false:

This part was ellipsed out because Thiel now declares that he did not agree with Rod Meredith. Think. He originally further emphasized and featured the segment we have shown by separately REPEATING it in another place on his blog! Understand! He actually repeated FOR SPECIAL EMPHASIS what he now pointedly disavows having ever believed!...

Here is why Thiel disavowed his previous position and hid the facts. He saw the same thing we have seen since our posting—WIDESPREAD DISAGREEMENT IN LCG WITH ROD MEREDITH’S FALSE TEACHING ABOUT THE FALLING AWAY! He probably got the same avalanche of emails from LCG members that we did. He wanted to be in agreement with the large number in LCG who know this doctrine is WRONG!...How many wrote him? Enough to make him (1) flip-flop, (2) alter his posts to hide his first position, (3) attack us for reporting the truth—and (4) go public against LCG’s leadership.

For years I have had the same "falling away" position. I did not change my basic falling away position at anytime in 2012. To suggest that LCG members pressured me to do so is false--I contacted LCG-Charlotte on May 13, 2012 on my own and I had not ever received any LCG member emails about this prior to my contacting Charlotte (and fairly few since, the RCG claim here is false). If RCG actually read what I wrote in 2008, 2009, 2012, and perhaps other years about this, they could see how ridiculous their false assertions truly are. But at minimum since they apparently read my denial of 9/07/12 p.m., that gave them the dates if they were interested in the truth.

Furthermore, the fact that I removed from my TW: The Rise of Atheism post the portion that went into the falling away, is not an attempt to HIDE anything. As soon as I realized a problem with the article (and I NEVER EMPHASIZED the LCG changed "falling away" portion), I removed the falling away portion from my post--my post was about ATHEISM-- I had made no comment on the "falling away" portion of that TW news item. What I did is totally above-board and I am not trying to hide anything related to this. The fact that RCG is making up motivations about me that are false should hopefully serve as a warning to any looking at RCG that the organization is NOT the main remnant of the Philadlephia portion of the Church of God.

Hurricane Katrina

The RCG website announced September 9, 2005,

Open Letter to the Splinters: In Katrina’s aftermath, Mr. David Pack has written an open letter to God’s people. All of it is a must-read.

And it included this information from David Pack,

New Orleans, the Gulf Coast—and all of America!—are reeling from Hurricane Katrina. Authorities are just beginning to deal with the aftermath...

Regarding the world, with its affairs, difficulties and disasters, Christ taught,"Let the dead bury their dead"(Matt. 8:22). The Church once understood this meant let the spiritually dead bury the physically dead! Further, Christ is also saying,"Do not interfere with any so-called ‘love,’ when punishment is the kind of love necessary here."

The job of God’s Church is to warn about and explain why the punishment!In addition, recognize that God does not want what are His tithes and offerings, which are designated solely for preaching the gospel, for warning modern Israel and for feeding the flock, to be spent directly FIGHTING HIS PURPOSE...The anemic, even pitiful, response to the disaster from every major splinter was almost SHAMEFUL!...Brethren, WAKE UP to the doctrinal compromise, confusion, flattery and weakness of your leaders. Shift your focus and thinking from enjoying services to marketing goods! Come to where God is working! Come to the only instrument He is using, or could use!

Well, that would not be RCG as it has made a variety of changes that demonstrate that it is not part of the Philadelphia portion of the COG. It is David Pack who is once again being an embarrassment (his apostle pronouncement, see below, was also such a case). 

Note what Paul wrote,

Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith (Galatians 6:10). 

Given a sufficient disaster, Jesus' teachings suggest that it is appropriate to use items that would have been considered as first tithe to feed the hungry (see Luke 6:3-5).

ntevangelism's Guy Swenson (an independent ministry) made this comment about David Pack's letter:

Mr. Pack is espousing his system of heartless, callous and inhumane values when it comes to those who are suffering from the effects of a severe storm. To encourage Christians to turn their backs on their fellow Americans who have gone through a tragedy reflects an ungodly arrogance and a monumental disassociation from true Christian values. Mr. Pack's values are no way for any Christian to treat their neighbor.

Mr. Pack's advice and definition of Christian values should be spurned, publicly repudiated and rejected.

Jesus spoke of personal responsibility to our neighbors when a smug lawyer was tempting him. The story is told in Luke 10:25-37, commonly referred to the story of "the Good Samaritan."

Like the lawyer, Mr. Pack is confused about both how to show love to his neighbor and who his neighbor is. He encourages Christians to walk by our neighbors - our fellow Americans - who are hurting and, in many cases, have lost everything. I am sure the Levite and the priest who avoided the man had who had fallen to robbers had their reasons - perhaps those reasons were even better than the silly justification Mr. Pack offers that God wants us to stay out of the way of his "discipline." What a monumental
misapplication of Scripture and distortion of Godly values.

The true "neighbor" was the one who rendered aid. The end of the Good Samaritan story is telling when Jesus made the lawyer admit what a silly attempt at justification the question of to whom does God wants us to show love was"...Perhaps David Pack may wish to meditate on these few passages:In Matthew 9:13, Jesus taught, "But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice.' For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." In Matthew 12:7, Jesus taught, "But if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless."James 1:27 teaches, "Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world." James 2:14-20 teaches, "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?  If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food,  and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?  Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.  But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.  You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble!  But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

Blasphemy Teaching

The unpardonable sin involves willful, deliberate, sinning by those with God's Spirit.

David Pack seems to have a different view. Charles Jahrsdorfer reports the following quote from David Pack's sermon on November 4, 2000:

So then you have to ask yourself the question, " what is it that God is doing?" that people had better not be against thereby blaspheming the Holy Spirit which is Disloyalty and unpardonable. Do you follow me? Let me say it again. We must not misunderstand this. So what is it that God is doing that people must not be against, thereby blaspheming the Holy Spirit which is disloyalty and Unpardonable. No one wants to be accused of disloyalty and if its disloyalty against God, then God says its unpardonable. Now it has to do we already know, its scattering where Christ is gathering. We already know that simply because Christ said so. Woe unto the person who seeks to scatter where Christ is gathering. All right now, how does God work today? ...God is working through people...God uses people to do His work...so clearly, if we are against any of the above...we are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. That's serious. The Church is the body of Christ. The Work that it does...the leaders that it has are all inseparable from the body of Christ. Criticizing it, is criticizing God and the work He is doing...

This is even more amazing as David Pack has written that he believed the door to proclaiming the Gospel was probably closed.

As all once associated with WCG are aware, Herbert Armstrong wrote the following in Just What Do You Mean, The Unpardonable Sin?,

WILLFUL Sinning WHEN one receives the Holy Spirit by God's grace, this Spirit dwelling in him is tentative and conditional SALVATION. But IF one again changes his mind -- changes his LIFE'S GOAL -- takes his eyes completely off the Goal of God's Kingdom, and fixes them PURPOSELY on going back to THE WAY of worldliness and sin -- IF he changes his WAY of life back to the CARNAL WAY of the world, leaving the ROAD he was traveling with CHRIST -- THEN he has set his mind on determined, premeditated, deliberate WILLFUL SIN! IF he decides he no longer WANTS to go GOD'S WAY, deliberately and intentionally changes his OVERALL ATTITUDE, and desires, and CHOOSES the world and its ways -- deliberately chooses a life of rebellion, comes to have contempt and disregard for God's Law, then that man either has done or is in danger of doing despite to God's Holy Spirit which a merciful and loving God had GIVEN by grace! SUCH A MAN is surely in grave DANGER of BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT!

Furthermore, David Pack teaches that the unpardonable sin can be repented of. Charles Jahrsdorfer reports the following quote from David Pack's sermon on November 4, 2000:

So clearly, if we are against any of the above 3 points we are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. That's serious! Now people who may be doing that now, may repent of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Herbert Armstrong taught:

No ordinary sin, even by a Christian, is unforgivable. Jesus said plainly that ALL sins, and blasphemies -- against even GOD -- even against Jesus Christ -- will be forgiven on repentance. It is ONLY premeditated, thought-out, planned, deliberate, intentional, willful indignity, insult, false accusation against God's HOLY SPIRIT that is unforgivable.

The Bible teaches:

Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come (Matthew 12:31-32)

For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries (Hebrews 10:26-27).

David Pack is not teaching what Jesus or Herbert Armstrong taught on this matter. More on this subject can be found in the article What is the Unpardonable Sin?

Laodiceans Are Outside His Body?

David Pack wrote,

While Laodicea means “the people rule, judge, decide,” they are still God’s people, but in a weak and confused condition. However, they do not represent His true Church, and are outside His Body. (Pack D. Where is God's True Church? RCG Booklet. 2005 edition)

This is another change from HWA's church taught, which was "the Laodicean era...they are the Church of God...the "Church of Laodicea" (What is the Laodicean Church? Good News, August 1959). As well as a change from the Bible (Revelation 3:13-14).

While the Laodiceans are weak in certain ways, they are not truly "outside His Body."

What RCG should consider is that the difference between the remnant of the Philadelphia era of the COG and those in the Laodicean era is that the Laodiceans have a different work than the Philadelphians. It is for this different work that Christ condemns the Laodiceans,

I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth (Revelation 3:15-16).

Christ approves of the work of the Philadelphians (vss. 7-8).

Probably the articles that are most relevant here are Are the Laodiceans the Modern Sadducees and Pharisees? and The Philadelphia Church Era.

David Pack's “Synagogue of Satan” Identified—and Marked!” Sermon of 4/23/12

There is a certain duplicity to David Pack (as his historically selective use of statistics has shown). David Pack's sermon of 4/23/12 titled "“Synagogue of Satan” Identified—and Marked!”" showed some of his duplicity to those who paid enough attention to the details of it.

In one place he states, "We are in the center of the splinter group’s attention" and then indicates that this is why the "splinters" persecute him so much. And yes, the emphasis is him, according to David Pack, not RCG, as he also stated in that sermon:

They are not doing it against you.  They are doing it against me…They are railing against me…There are a lot of attacks.

He, in that sermon, attempts to indicate that this helps prove that RCG is the Philadelphian portion of the COG. But the reality is that the leadership of the other COGs rarely pay much attention to David Pack or RCG and most certainly, none of the major groups consider him to be the focus of their attention.

However, in order to try to get more attention from the other groups, after declaring their groups to essentially be part of and/or led by the 'synagogue of Satan,' David Pack declared:

For spewing mass heresy..the following are formerly and officially marked:

First Roderick Meredith, Richard Ames, Douglas Winnail, Melvin Rhodes, Victor Kubik, Jimmie Franks, Clyde Kilough, Richard Pinelli, David Hulme, Gerald Flurry.  There are others.

Basically, the above are parts of the leadership of LCG, UCG, COGWA, COGAIC, and PCG, which he groups suggests are basically all part of Laodicea. He also decided to somewhat add me (Bob Thiel, AKA COGwriter) to the list when he said:

COGwriter {is} part of the synagogue of Satan.

David Pack himself had been marked by Dr. Meredith years ago.  Also, David Pack got a confused old man to “mark” me once, who then later turned against David Pack (so, perhaps that is why David Pack did not “mark” me personally this time, with other than the improper 'synagogue of Satan' title).

Part of the duplicity in the above is that David Pack seems to be trying to incite others against him so that he can claim that others are against him. But his followers do not seem to understand that or other duplicitous actions/words of David Pack.

Another part of his duplicity is that he commented that, "The counter-attack against this sermon will be ferocious–it has to be." So, he did what he did hoping that some would comment about it, and once it happens, he will claim he was correct that his sermon is being attacked. I would state that my writings about this sermon are not "ferocious," just trying to be accurate. But David Pack will take many comments from outsiders as ferocious or persecuting simply because they point out where he seems to be wrong or perhaps some of what he meant.

A major error that David Pack made in that sermon is not teaching the truth about the 'synagogue of Satan.' David Pack basically is teaching that these are leaders who believed some version of the trinity while in WCG (which is an overstatement at best, and totally false related to some and probably many of the others) and are the persecutors of RCG. He also again took shots against the gospel (he has long had a problem understanding the role of Jesus in that). He admitted that what he teaches about the 'synagogue of Satan' differs from that of the old WCG/Radio Church of God taught, but because he claims to be an apostle and that time has gone on, that he has the authority to change that doctrine.

Notice something that Herbert Armstrong's Personal Correspondence Department taught on this:

But the synagogue of Satan — the church that follows the teachings of antichrist...The "synagogue of Satan" is not referring to a race but to that great church and her daughter churches, who falsely profess to be "Christian" — Jews inwardly! (1956 and 1986 versions)

The old WCG/Radio Church of God taught that the 'synagogue of Satan' was composed of apostates who were not Christian (for details, see What is the Synagogue of Satan?) and those that follow the Antichrist--those who follow some compromised Church of Rome faith, while David Pack falsely is teaching that the COG leaders outside of RCG basically are the synagogue of Satan. He is in error not knowing the scriptures (cf. Matthew 22:29). He also voiced concern that some in the COGs will have some miracle related powers in the future and warned against that; of course since I do not believe that God will grant RCG such powers, but that some of us currently (4/28/12 is when this section was finished) in the true COG will end up with them, perhaps that is why David Pack seems not to understand the power of God (cf. Mark 12:24) and is warning against it.

This is yet another area where David Pack differs from the teachings of the Bible and the old WCG and another where is in error.

For more information on this sermon and the subject of it, please also see the articles RCG’s David Pack Says COGwriter, Dr. Meredith, COGs, etc. ‘Part of Synagogue of Satan’ and What is the Synagogue of Satan?

How RCG is Not Faithful to HWA's Practices

At RCG's website under the article titled Inside the Administration of Restored it stated,

The Restored Church of God is a structured, fully formed organization that resembles The Worldwide Church of God when it was on track doctrinally and still doing the Work as it was done prior to Mr. Herbert Armstrong's death. The biggest difference is that we are, of course, much smaller.

Size, however, is not the biggest difference.

First, as mentioned previously, RCG historically has not placed its highest priority on doing the Work of proclaiming the Gospel, which is what HWA did and taught.

Secondly, as stated in its booklet Why the Restored Church of God? David Pack acknowledges that RCG does not really have a Council of Elders like HWA had, nor did it have much in the way of a field ministry, like HWA also had--thus to say it was 'fully formed' then was a stretch.

Thirdly, RCG is still not on radio or television (but television is to start in September 2012) like HWA was and thus probably does not spend its the same percentage of its money on proclaiming the gospel like WCG did when HWA was alive--RCG has not made financial statements available that I have seen, but comments from those once employed by RCG suggest that RCG (as well as statements by David Pack) does not spend 35-42% of its income on doing the Work of proclaiming the Gospel (RCG's comment about preaching the Gospel as funding allows is similar to statements made by CGCF, UCG, and others it criticizes).

Fourthly, it does not appear to produce financial statements for public distribution like HWA did. RCG members are welcome to send me RCG's financial statements if they have them and I will retract this and certain related statements--but I am not holding my breathe (especially since I originally wrote this years ago and none ever have).

The fifth way RCG is not faithful to HWA's practices, is that it is not focused on the trunk of the tree.

HWA repeatedly warned the brethren to stick to the trunk of the tree and not go out on the limb on twigs. The apostle Paul warned Timothy of the same problem in his day (I Timothy 1). The apostle Paul also warned the Corinthian church of essentially the same thing. In I Corinthians 13:1-6, Paul warns that even if someone has a variety of gifts or even if they have all knowledge, if they have not love they have nothing.

If the RCG really was the continuance of the Philadelphia era of the Church, then it would demonstrate its love for the brethren (which is what Philadelphia means) by being faithful to the teachings of Jesus Christ (Matthew 28:19-20) and HWA by placing its top priority on proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom to the world as a witness. Instead, its writings on that subject could be best described as not hot.

The sixth way is the following quote from David Pack regarding distribution of booklets (11/10/2000),

We will not be able to send them to people of other groups, who do have a Church of God background, but who request them as sort of a "collector's item." There are a lot of people who seem to enjoy trying to receive "everything from everybody" while not actually wanting to support God's Work where the full Truth is being upheld. We will be more than happy to have anyone read these booklets online on our second website." We are not suggesting that everyone who asks for our booklets is simply a "collector." Many certainly are not in this category. However, costs do prohibit us from being able to satisfy these kinds of requests and still be able to have these booklets available for the audience to whom they are written.

Herbert Armstrong never had such a policy. He taught (as Jesus did), "Freely you have received, freely give" (Matthew 10:8).

Similarly RCG's 10/19/01 Bulletin reports:

The Restored Church of God has never been merely a tape ministry designed to feed confused brethren who refuse to support God's Work or return to His Church. Many have grown accustomed to downloading the weekly sermon tapes without making any further commitment. Some will completely understand that this policy has served its purpose. Some may drift away to the ideas of other groups. Others may grow angry because RCG "doesn't act like everybody else."

In other words it appears that RCG was saying was, if you do not send RCG money, do not expect to receive support. Not precisely what HWA's WCG did, nor consistent with what Jesus taught.

Notice that David Pack also wrote:

The Restored Church of God is simply not for everybody. We are the Church of God that is truly not going to bend a single doctrine. We are going to teach people to hold fast to all of the Truth we received from God through Mr. Armstrong (Pack, David C. Should Accusers Be Answered? RCG Booklet. 2000. p.53).

Can anyone with eyes to see claim that RCG has not bent at least one one doctrine?

David Pack Told His Members to Liquidate Their Assets and Send it to the Restored Church of God

The following are approximate quotes (I tried to type verbatim and the following is fairly close) in one of what may be his most bizarre/delusional sermons, apparently given on 11/03/07 by David Pack to his followers in the Restored Church of God apparently titled Clarion Call -- The Time is NOW!:

"Yeah, I know, one or two can leave and say, 'Hey, you stopped preaching and started meddling, now you're messing with my goods here on earth' "

"First Timothy 6 verse 17...'Charge them that are rich in this world'...If you were born in the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, then you're rich"

"If you hold those riches, I'm telling you, you trust in them"

"Go get a big chunk out of your home. And put your money where your mouth is and send it here. And I'm not talking about one, two, three thousand either. How about ten, twenty, thirty, fifty, or one hundred thousand dollars? Go do it"

"Wives, you can be independent in this. You have 1/2 the worth of whatever you have in your house. I'm officially telling you this...Wives, legally you have the 1/2 the funds. What are you going to do about it?...Husbands...'well, my wife is not in the church'...tell her...'you don't have a voice woman' "

"Go get those assets and get them here"

"Don't sit on vast resources that we can use now"

"We are not a splinter"

"I do not covet your silver or gold...the gold and silver is God's and He will get it someway"

"We do not have the funds...plans...bookstores...We need to redesign our website...We need many hundreds of thousands of dollars to arrive at God's headquarters soon...the timing is now"

"This is different...ask Him for the faith to liquidate certain assets and give it to the work"

"I'll say it again, we are talking about liquidating existing assets...it all belongs to God and the brethren"

"We have a lot of plans so big going on in this office it would cause just this room to to rock and gyrate if you knew what was going on. We just need a lot of money and we need it post haste...I would give more if I had it"

"Herbert Armstrong wrote an article...'Prepare to greatly reduce your standard of living'...What he wrote by far, is more for us now than it was then...its all going to be taken away from us anyway brethren"

"There will be follow-up sermons. Time to bring in related points"

"Let us know how much you plan to send and when you plan to send it...You must be willing to communicate...If you do need to counsel, please do that...If you are not ready to distribute what you have...you don't believe the flow of prophecy"

"This is announcing the last blast, the clarion call as it were, to finish the work...Whether it is 4,5,7, 9 years to go, God knows...This is liquidating assets...I have the authority to tell you to do it...I have the moral and spiritual, and ecclesiastical authority to tell you to do what I have also done"

"Get it now when it requires faith...when you are dead you don't need it...if you named us in your wills, it can take us months or years to get it"

"The wives in the faith will say give everything you can...We don't have the luxury of waiting years...today, leaving everything in your will simply doesn't work"

"Now you just have a second mortgage...and frankly we flee before most of it ever becomes due"

"...some may think that they want to tap their 401k--maybe you want to let us know that...why would you want to tell us? We are starting to prepare a budget now, the needs are now...it would be nice to know now"

"Think big...Pull big triggers"

"There is only two positions you can take regarding all that I have mentioned, only two, there is no middle ground. You're either going to yield, to submit and to follow, the clarion call that the time is now or you're not. And postponing a decision is deciding not to do it...It's saying I'm going to wait until it gets closer because it is not there yet...Don't say that I'm going to wait until it gets closer, when I can see...The decision is that my treasure stays on earth or I goes to heaven. Period. I will not lay up for times to come or I will. And this is the real test of Laodicea...either hold on to your assets...or give it...God is in this decision, no question. Testing the church's faith"

"We live in the most materialistic age in the history of the world. People trust in physical things. They trust in bank accounts...If you have excess and don't need it, those verses mean you...That's the Laodicean attitude...Put your money where your mouth is...Empty your assets"

"There is only one place He works...Where the...work is...that's where God is working...one elder commented here at headquarters, if people can't be motivated by a clarion call to finish the work such as this, why will those same people somehow believe the internal signal given to the church of the 1335? Why would they believe it?"

"This is the Laodicean age...Be careful that you don't tell us how to spend your assets...It belongs to God..You don't tell God or His servants how to spend it"

"Your faith is being tested. Think about that"

"We will all fast on November 17th...I have to...ask you for a very special financial sacrifice for God's work"

"The purposes of the fast...a. To fast for God's intervention...b.Fast for personal faith and courage to follow what I am asking you to do...c. Fast for personal strength...d...Fast for faith and courage in others with more than you to give...Go get a big chunk out of your house...their assets, IRAs, and pension funds...e. Ask God to move specific properties...that they have told us they want to sell. Pray that these properties move...that is part of what this fast is about"

I have warned people for years that David Pack is not God's apostle, not the leader of the faithful portion of the COG, etc. It sounds to me like he is excessively trusting in money to do the work. While money is needed to do the work, I felt back then when I first heard this sermon, as well as now, that this is excessive and irresponsible for David Pack to call for people to liquidate their assets well prior to the time to flee. It also seems like covetousness to require what biblically, he is not entitled to.

Notice also the following from late April 2013:

Hello to PKG Members,

I understand that a considerable number of you are looking into leaving PKG after Pentecost, with this in mind I need to retract a recommendation I made to you about Restored Church of God.

Nearly one year ago I sent a letter to a number of you, in it I strongly recommended  The Restored Church of God as a church that God is working through his ministry.  After attending, listening and watching I have come to the conclusion that just as there are members with Gods spirit in PKG there are also members in Restored with Gods spirit.

But I do have to retract my recommendation to go to Restored, as there are a number of things that do not sit right. Mr Packs focus on members is to get as much cash from them as possible, he uses not going to the place of safety and hellfire for those who do not give all, and laying up your reward in heaven for those who do give all.  A small portion of what I heard:

Any one that was baptized  in PKG did not have a  valid baptism. I know of one ex PKGer that that went to Restored was not allowed to keep Passover as he was baptized in PKG.

They have what they call a splinter pack for any one coming out of a cog.  It is several hundred pages of reading and many hours of sermons, you have to then be in full agreement with it all before attending services. It is mainly pre 86 worldwide teachings with a few changes, this is a type of indoctrination that slowly draws you in, but once in you see it isn’t like worldwide was nor are some of the teachings.  But for most that get to this point it is to late as their minds have been conditioned to D Packs teachings.

Most doctrine is as taught in Worldwide under Mr Armstrong, but not all.  Changes are classed as new understanding. (present truth type of situation)  A lot of mind control takes place, as one ex Philadelphian member said:: this lot are tougher than in Philadelphia under Flurry.  Never having been in Philadelphia I cannot say if that remark was accurate or not but I would not be surprised if it was.

As you may have guessed by now, my wife and I resigned our membership in Restored and are no longer members of that church.

In conclusion I would say that for those of you looking to move on, please take a long hard look at whoever you are going to. (do not just give up, God is still doing a work in many of you)   This in no ways negates what I said about R Weinland being a false prophet,  it just means D Pack is another wolf in sheep’s clothing to watch out for.

Wishing you all the best.

Adrian Gray

David Pack apparently has not let up on his excessive financial covetousness (and I also received one or more emails from former RCG attendees in 2013 who basically told me the same thing).

Does not David Pack fulfill the following?

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. (2 Peter 2:1-3).

Are not RCG followers being exploited with deceptive words? And by misunderstanding the entirety of the gospel message, does not David Pack deny the Lord? Those that follow David Pack do not seem to realize that they have responded to his 'deceptive words,' but in fact that is how he speaks, and what they have done. This will not end well for those who are part of the improperly named 'Restored Church of God.'

Because of his earlier call for assets RCG reported:

2007 Income: The Restored Church of God’s 2007 income grew by over 77% above 2006, far exceeding our projection of just under 40%!

What RCG failed to report is that the rate of increase was unsustainable unless they greatly increase membership as RCG has been systematically using up the tangible assets of its membership. RCG is in a sense doing what the USA has done--obtained high "prosperity" through debt acquisition--and this is not biblically desirable (please see Deuteronomy 28:44) nor is it ultimately sustainable (see Habakkuk 2:7). Going into debt is not the way of the Bible. And although RCG does not seem to publicly report audited income, that pace did not keep up in the past few years from what I have been able to see. I have not seen similar financial growth reports from RCG for the past few years so presumably they are not having that.

Perhaps I should add that although Herbert W. Armstrong often felt that there may have been less than 9 years left before the start of the Great Tribulation, he never told the membership to liquidate their assets like David Pack has now done. This is another change.

Pastors and Evangelists

David Pack was ordained as a pastor-ranked minister and decided that he must be more than that.

In his sermon titled 21st Century Apostle, RCG's David Pack stated:

What is my office? What is my office?...What authority do I have to make administrative judgments different from Herbert Armstrong?...Who is permitted to bind and loose in this age?...Pastors are stationary...It really doesn't apply because I had my reasons...If you know who you are in the body, then it makes sense that the human leader of the church knows his place...of course he knows...now my rank...bad news, evangelists don't do this, they bring good news...Apostle...it means a delegate...with miraculous powers (part 1)

Evangelists...Could there be an evangelist out there who could be the watchman or messenger?...They lack authority to warn...Taking bad news doesn't fit their job description...or then Christ is right back to being inconsistent. They're not permitted to go that far. And by the way, that's also what Mr. Armstrong said...So I can't possibly be an evangelist. If I could go back and use a military term, a warning is above an evangelist's pay grade. It's just that simple. They don't do it (part 2).

In addition to admitting he makes judgments that differ from HWA (which in other places he implies LCG should not), he contradicts HWA's teachings at least twice here. The first that he was a pastor, but as RCG head not stationary (also see the Mystery of the Ages, page 245). Hence, D. Pack exceeded his authority per HWA's teachings--but that is a point he would probably debate.

The second is that HWA clearly had evangelists give not only good news, but the warning message (see almost any issue of the old Plain Truth magazine as they normally contain articles written by evangelists that contain some part of the warning message)--specifically HWA had evangelists like the lare Dibar Apartian present the World Tomorrow radio program at times. HWA also appointed other non-apostles to do the telecast after his death. These practices show prove that David Pack did not understand the teachings and practices of HWA's WCG--did he NOT pay attention to warning articles written by and sermons given by evangelists? Furthermore, if one carefully listens to this section of David Pack's sermon, one realizes that he simply does not understand God's governance nor the offices that God has established. (He also implies that he seems to forget that Jesus made it clear that the top man should be willing to do the lowest duties.)

Notice that the evangelist Timothy's job included more than simply giving good news, he was the preach the word--not just the good news:

2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching (2 Timothy 4:2).

Also note what Paul wrote about an evangelist in 1 Corinthians 16:10,

Now if Timothy comes, see that he may be with you without fear; for he does the work of the Lord, as I also do.

Both Paul and HWA had evangelists do the same work they were doing. Neither restricted their teachings or forbade them from giving the warning messages, which D. Pack referred to as the bad news. But he does not seem to realize this--David Pack is constantly relying on his own interpretation of offices of the church as opposed to what the Bible actually teaches. Furthermore, the one title that HWA did not give J. Tkach was that of "apostle," while knowing full well that J. Tkach would have to make administrative decisions that sometimes would differ from HWA himself--so to teach that it was HWA's position that evangelists (who did not apostatize) were not to make administrative decisions seems to overlook the obvious.

God allowed a deacon to give a warning message: 

"You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it." (Acts 7:51-53). 

Thus the Bible makes it clear that one DOES NOT NEED TO BE AN APOSTLE TO GIVE A WARNING MESSAGE! 

Furthermore, if HWA felt that an apostle should have been in charge of the church, he would have had J. Tkach take that title. Instead, not only did he not do that, he specifically told Aaron Dean (who told me) that J. Tkach was not to have the title of apostle. Thus, for D. Pack to claim he is faithful to HWA's teachings and that he must be an apostle is in error.

Surely, those associated with RCG should start to see what is happening there.

The Self-Proclaimed Apostle, Because He Writes a Lot

David Pack also declared in part two of his 21st Century Apostle sermon:

A lot of you are very complementary of the literature, that encourages me...I was forced to write more than any man of any age...What is God's point then in having all this work put in?...

Is it to establish an office?...

Having to write vastly more...than any servant God has ever used before. I just have to accept that...If that makes me a braggart, pray for me...

Why so much literature and why no one else? The answer is that they were not sent...

There is only one organization that is to prepare all things...

Would Mr. Armstrong tell me...I couldn't know? If you say yes, you're saying that he would say to me "Go forward" never knowing that you should.

Because, remember, if I don't hold the highest office from this point forward, now that my mind is on it, I am one presumptuous imposter. I am as fraudulent as anyone you will ever meet...Now keep that in mind...

I have to be the most accused man on the earth other than Herbert Armstrong, and he is dead...

Mr. Armstrong was a messenger to the 6th era. And even revealed that there are such men, 7 of them. He trained me to do the same. Mr. Armstrong was a Apostle. Yes brethren I hold that office. I do...

Either this work is fraudulent because an unauthorized man is doing things solely given to the highest office above him or something else has occurred. If it is a fraud, here's what it means, everything comes to an end...

If the highest office in RCG is not an apostle...then I was not sent by Christ. (part 2).

I believe it is quite presumptuous for David Pack to conclude that Herbert W. Armstrong would tell him to go forward at all. Perhaps like at least two of the evangelists that Herbert Armstrong ordained suggested to him, Herbert Armstrong (if alive) would also suggest that David Pack repent of his rebellion.

It appears that to a significant degree, David Pack is claiming that God (according to David Pack) used him to write more literature than any other servant of God of all time, and this is proof that he is an apostle.

This is NOT a standard listed anywhere in the Bible. Mainly rewriting booklets previously written by Herbert Armstrong is not the type of proof that any serious student of the Bible would accept. I

Have you supporters of David Pack "searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11)?

Are you aware that the Bible warns not to be like those who think they will be heard because their many words?

For they think that they will be heard for their many words. Therefore do not be like them. (Matthew 6:7-8).

Notice that when the Apostle Paul listed the proof of his apostleship, he neglected to mention writing, even though he wrote more books of the New Testament than anyone else. Consistent with Jesus' comments about fruit, Paul mentioned those truly converted as the seal of his apostleship:

Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord (1 Corinthians 9:1-2).

Where are all the baptisms and permanently improved lives at RCG?

Furthermore, if David Pack was able to write this literature because he was God's apostle, would God allow him to make so many mistakes with it?

Would God allow His most prolific writer to contradict scripture and say that John the Baptist was not a prophet?

Would God allow his end-time apostle to not understand about Church eras and improperly state that Laodiceans are not part of the true Church?

Would God allow his apostle to continually and inaccurately accuse a leader of the Church of God even when that "apostle" knew better on many of the points?

Have not others seen mistakes in David Pack's literature? The existence of which he uses as a major proof that he is an apostle?

Notice what Jesus taught:

But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned (Matt 12:36-37).

Note that the article you are now reading mainly cites David Pack's own words as proof for its conclusions.

Whosoever has ears to hear, let him hear!

Did David Pack Warn People in Advance to Not Follow Him?

In a sermon given on December 12, 1998, Bill Sheppard reported that David Pack stated :

I want to make a statement about...me...now, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you if I go off into strange ideas, misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me. I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying? Listen to me now, when I tell you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are total absolutely unscriptural conduct, because if I do I'm gonna paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren? Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it...And I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me...But I'll tell you what, I'm not going anywhere. (http://home.neo.rr.com/lilshep/bill/information.html#follow 8/02/06).

I believe that the above is proof that God warned people, through David Pack, not to follow David Pack! Note: The Bible is clear that God sometimes uses those He condemns to providing warning messages (two such examples would be I Kings 13:20-32 and 22:22).

Do you really want to be deceived? And should you liquidate your assets and send them to David Pack?

Notice also something from an email I received late on September 6, 2013:

As a former member of RCG, I have been following Mr. Pack's dramatic and equally delusional "Special Announcements"...

Mr. Pack wrote the following in the 2nd paragraph of page 48 of his 2008 (reprinted 2011) book entitled IS "THAT PROPHET" ALIVE TODAY? - The Rise of False Prophets: "If a man predicts an earthquake...or any other major event for a specific date, and it occurs even a few hours into the next day...this is a failed prophecy, disproving the prophet’s authority! Close is not good enough. Actually, the chilling truth is that being close means that the man is connected to EVIL ELEMENTS IN THE SPIRIT WORLD!" (emphasis his). Was he aware that he was writing about himself?

David Pack fulfilled his own criteria for being a false prophet by August 31, 2013. And notice that David Pack's criteria is that predictions had to happen no later than when "a man predicts" otherwise he is false. Cannot those in RCG see this?

More Related to the Self-Proclaimed Apostle

In part 2 of David Pack's sermon, 21st Century Apostle, he stated: 

Now I had to ask a series of questions.  Let's ask them together.  As the human human leader of the body of Christ, I had to ask, how or why would I not assume that I Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11, describing the offices under Jesus Christ, and listing apostles first, would not include me.   

Why would I conclude that? 

Would Christ expect me to ignore that? 

In light of all I had to do? 

The responsibilities I was sent to do? 

And my mind finally falls on a subject, let's say. Would Christ expect me to say, "Look you don't need to know the job you hold?  I want you to speak with boldness and conviction and to know I've sent you.  But wait a minute.  No, not really know I've sent you. you, I want you to speak with boldness and ignorance." 

Now this doesn't make sense.  It's an oxymoron...

The brethren have to know what they are backing up...What would I tell my staff?...

On what basis would I not be allowed to know all of these things? It wouldn't make sense...

I studied everything...I studied every scripture...  

Notice that much of the above is very presumptuous on David Pack's part.  By the way, the basis that he would not know is both the truth and the Bible.  

Is it an oxymoron? 

Or has David Pack just decided that he is the human leader of the body of Christ as opposed to a disfellowshiped elder that has a small following? 

Does the Bible ever show that any important leader did not know completely who he was? 

Certainly! 

But David Pack suggests that Christ would never allow this.

David Pack is in error.

Notice that John the Baptist did not know he was the Elijah: 

And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." (John 1:21). 

Yet Jesus makes it clear that John the Baptist was that Elijah to come:

But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands." Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist (Matthew 17:12-13). 

Furthermore, not only did John not know that he filled the Elijah role/office (nor did his followers), Jesus did not allow him to know that he was the greatest human, at least up until that time: 

Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist (Matthew 11:11). 

Jesus said this after John the Baptist's disciples left (Matthew 11:2-7) and shortly before John was executed (Matthew 14:1-12)--hence John did not know he was Elijah or that no one had rose greater than he. 

Therefore for David Pack to appoint himself as an apostle because this is what God required is both presumptuous and not biblically justifiable (especially, since unlike Paul or any after the original 12 apostles, David Pack has not had the fruits shown by conversions and baptisms).  And while David Pack tried to argue in his sermon that he became an apostle like Herbert Armstrong did, this is simply not the case--probably over 100,000 people were baptized as a result of HWA's ministry, plus thousands in LCG. How many from DP's RCG ministry?

The Bible warns that there are those who preach Christ out of "selfish ambition" (Philippians 1:17).  Paul also warned:

 Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself (Philippians 2:3).   

Does that sound like David Pack? Is he truly a humble person who is an apostle, but without significant conversions, because he declares that he is?

David Pack's RCG does not have the baptismal fruits that Herbert Armstrong had. 

How many will fall for the argument that simply declaring that you must be the apostle because Christ would have to have you conclude that you are the most important leader of the most important small group in the world?

As far as outsiders can tell, relatively few have.

In the same sermon, David Pack asserted:

The two witnesses...The prophets have to report to a living apostle.

David Pack should re-read the Book of Revelation as it gives no indication that the two witnesses report to any man (more can be found in the article Who Are the Two Witnesses?). None of the prophets in the Old Testament reported to an apostle.

David Pack admitted in his 21st Century Apostle (part 2) sermon:

Sardis did not have an apostle...There had not been an apostle for 3/4 of a millennium...Only an apostle can approve ordinations.

The above admission contradicts David Pack's basic contention that there has to be an apostle now. If only an apostle can approve ordinations and there was not an apostle for 3/4 of a millennium, and David Pack claims that others have been properly ordained, this then is clear proof that David Pack is teaching error.

Furthermore, David Pack fails to teach in his 21st Century Apostle sermons that Herbert Armstrong intentionally did not appoint anyone as an apostle. The fact that HWA did not proves that neither HWA nor God required that the Church be led by an apostle. HWA expected that the gospel and the warning message would be preached by evangelists to the world after he died. HWA did not require that they would work under a living apostle--this is another error in David Pack's sermon.

David Pack also seems to fail to understand what happened when Joshua died. Notice:

So the people served the LORD all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders who outlived Joshua, who had seen all the great works of the LORD which He had done for Israel (Judges 2:7).

This is precisely what happened in COG groups such as LCG. Yet David Pack, who claims to stand for "precision of doctrine" simply misunderstands this and other biblical teachings.

David Pack's Earlier Actions

The Bible warns not to hear an accusation against an elder unless brought by several sources (I Timothy 5:1). For a long while I would not post any of the accusations against David Pack, but scripture suggests that one should take such accusations seriously if brought by many sources.

Perhaps before going further, I should also add that David Pack has written:

Recognize that some will quickly dismiss this list—and probably outright. Of course, leaders must do this, and will generally choose one or both of two methods. First, they may return to the old pattern—yet again—of assassinating the character of RCG’s leader, because they could not compromise him in ways that this list reveals. Second, these leaders will need to find fault with certain tiny aspects of the list so that the more gullible will dismiss the entire list. But the evidence of gross doctrinal compromise and error is overwhelming for those who “anoint their eyes” to see—and who want to recover (Pack D. How LCG's Teachings Differ From Those of Mr. Armstrong and RCG. RCG website 8/05/06).

There are three points I wish to make. The first is that I went through David Pack's previous list in detail to show that he has mischaracterized COG teachings or simply misunderstood Herbert Armstrong (please see the article Did Roderick C. Meredith Actually Make 26 Doctrinal Changes?). And second, as this particular article shows, I have documented that David Pack has compromised himself away from the teachings of the Bible and the biblical practices advocated by Herbert Armstrong. And third, I believe this article provide some of the evidence of gross doctrinal compromise and error is overwhelming for those who “anoint their eyes” to see.

But in this section, I will mainly cite others who have had extensive personal dealings with David Pack.

Norman Edwards, who once worked with David Pack in GCG wrote,

Dave Pack has been a wolf in shepherd’s clothing and should not be any kind of minister or servant among the people of God. The only apology I will make for that statement is for not having clearly stated it sooner in the pages of Servants’ News. I base this conclusion on direct personal experience and the testimony of dozens of witnesses. Dave Pack is a brilliant man, a powerful speaker and a commanding personality. He has the ability to stir people into thinking they are special to God and that they are being used in a powerful way when they work for Mr. Pack. For those who work “on his side”, he is able to see everything they do in the best possible light, and to have unending mercy to overlook their sins and errors. But to those he opposes, he seems to have an unending ability to recall minute details of years-old conversations and twist them into the greatest of sins. Many witnesses claim that he simply made up lies about them and spread them to others in a most believable fashion. Several people have specifically said that they did exactly what Dave Pack asked—unjust as they thought it was—only to be disfellowshipped for it later (Edwards, Norman. Continuing the Work of WCG. Servant's News. Jan/Feb 2000).

Most former employees of RCG have not been positively disposed toward David Pack. One family, the Papays, brought up several points which any can read if they wish (here is a link to the letter from the Papays). For the record, I should state that I personally spoke with Mr. and Mrs. Papay to verify that they did write this letter and that they stated that everything it contained was true.

As mentioned earlier, GCG disfellowshipped David Pack. They seemed to think he had a problem with governance. Here is a link to the letter from GCG disfellowshipping him.

After David Pack resumed his attacks against Dr. Meredith, LCG finally marked him. This is a link to the letter from LCG disfellowshipping David Pack.

Bill Sheppard had a web site in which he has many letters from those once affiliated with David Pack which all essentially suggest that David Pack is not one that those wishing to be faithful should probably follow. Here a link to Bill Sheppard's old site; this link will give the reader even more reasons to understand why I have concerns about David Pack. One of those letters is from former RCG Trustee Tom Munson. In it, he documents some of David Pack's questionable actions--also it in, he documents how David Pack violates his own teachings on make-up, tithing, and church attendance-- three areas of 'heresies' he seems to claim that others commit!

Jim Leighty, the another RCG departer, spells forth his reasons for resigning from RCG. Shortly after Jim Leighty's resignation, David Pack posted the following,

"Editor's Correction February 21, 2001 In a recent sermon (Nov. 4, 2000) I made an isolated reference to the unpardonable sin as something that can be forgiven. I misspoke! I did not mean to say this and it cannot be justified. I should have corrected it sooner. I would like to genuinely thank those who brought it to my attention. For those who are concerned with this matter, I have posted a more extensive explanation."

Sadly, David Pack did not publicly correct other doctrinal errors he made in that sermon.

An individual who was a minister in RCG sent me the following in October 2011:

I'm a former minister of the RCG who was disfellowshipped and fired in June for accusations about Zec 3 and being accused of calling David Pack's counsel of elders "filthy rags" - Joshua's filthy garments - and I also disagreed with his claim to be a High Priest an office held by Jesus Christ. My wife and I were harangued for two hours by this vain narcissistic tyrant who cares little for those of age and whether or not he destroys their lives, and I have evidence that he has done the same to many others...

I hold no animosity toward David Pack or any of his ministry, I came to see that the work he is doing is about vaunting himself as well as coning his members with clever sermons, into disposing their assets in favor of RCG so he can build an empire. He claims an apostleship which is false he claims to follow Mr. Armstrong, but simply took his literature embellished it with his own thoughts and ideas and palmed it off as truth. Mr. Pack is a clever man who knows his Bible well, he has used this wisdom, to do a work that on first appearance looks like the real thing, but over time one wakes up to the realization of what Paul warned about in II Cor11:13 that it is simply a work of the flesh he he will bear the consequences of his actions.

My hope for him is that God will show him exactly what he is, what he has done and what he is doing, so he to may have the opportunity of facing Christ in the not to distant future and enter into the kingdom of God. I can send you all the correspondence I have emails, back and forth, an agreement they wanted me to sign as well as a letter from RCG attorney to substantiate what I have told you, of course you understand once you post what I send, you will receive an email from Jeffery Ambrose denying, or justifying my disfellowship and firing from RCG...

Kind regards

Michael venish

While some may conclude that the above opinions are tainted because the individual is no longer an RCG minister, some of those statements seem consistent with how some others tend to view RCG and David Pack.

Jesus' Criteria

Strength of character is much more important than strength of personality. I do believe that strength of personality is why many are in RCG.

Paul warned that there are:

...false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).

Notice that Paul said there are deceitful workers who transform themselves into apostles of Christ, but can give the appearance that they are ministers of righteousness.

Just because someone may display confidence and try to sound like he is an apostle, that does not make him one. Recall that Revelation 22:15 states that those who love and practice a lie will not be in the kingdom. If David Pack is not clearly and 100% absolutely an apostle, those who support him anyway are loving and practicing a lie.

How does one tell?

In addition to heeding the warnings from the contradictions in RCG's literature, notice what Jesus taught:

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them (Matthew 7:15-20).

So what are the fruits? Well, it seems to wish to look important with its building and other projects.

The numbers RCG seems to focus on are related to the internet, and even that is relatively new--one should not be mesmerized by its new "download counter"--there is a huge difference between getting internet hits and being converted (Luke 15:10). Philadelphia love should be a fruit if RCG was who it claimed to be, but it seems not to be there.

Wrong Focus

As a long-time member of the Church of God, I have always felt that RCG has the wrong focus. This was confirmed when (in 2006) I spoke with one who attended RCG services for a while. He stated that RCG does not seem to tolerate certain respectful questions or opinions and tends to be unnecessarily harsh.

He mainly told me that RCG is strict and picky about real minor issues. For example, he stated that he was disciplined because he gave an opening prayer at services that exceeded 45 seconds. He thought he only spoke a minute or so, but said he was told that by the local RCG leader that he went on and on.

He mentioned that one is only allowed to close a prayer with two or three fairly specific statements, and that those statements cannot sound "Protestant." I asked him if a statement is accurate or even a biblical paraphrase, can it be disallowed because Protestants tend to use to it? And he said yes. I told him that even though the COG is NOT Protestant, it is ridiculous to not use biblically appropriate statements just because the Protestants sometimes do. I believe this is worse than straining a gnat, as Jesus taught:

4 "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God' " (Matt 4:4).

The fact that Protestants and others outside the Church of God quote or paraphrase certain parts of the Bible, this definitely does not mean that we within the COGs should not refer to those portions of scripture. We are to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

He also told me that RCG puts great emphasis on points such as having the top button of a suit coat buttoned if one is speaking at the lectern. He also mentioned other similar items that reminded me of the Pharisees.

Makeup is also a very important issue with RCG.

Have they not read the following?

Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness (Matthew 23:28).

RCG tends to focus on unimportant and insignificant traditions (which they claim are highly significant).

Notice what Mark wrote:

"For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men--the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do." And He said to them, "All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition..." (Mark 7:8-9).

Notice Jesus' teaching:

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness (Matthew 23:23-28).

I have always felt that RCG had an issue of ignoring the important and focusing on the unimportant. RCG seems to have problems with justice and mercy (and, I believe misunderstanding faith). It is a sign of a Laodicean emphasis to miss the point and to be self-satisfied that items of less importance are important. Additionally, David Pack's love of money, which he seems to want to try to show-off, is similar to the problems that the Pharisees of old had (John 16:14).

According to Strong's, Philadelphia means "fraternal affection," "brotherly love," "love of the brethren," "fond of the brethren." While the Philadelphians show the love of God by placing their top priority on proclaiming the Gospel to the world as a witness (as Jesus and HWA taught), RCG does not. They seem to be like the old-time, Pharisees and lawyers. Notice what Luke was inspired to write:

Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves (Luke 7:30).

An article of related interest may be Are the Laodiceans the Modern Sadducees and Pharisees?

On 6/30/07, I looked over some of David Pack's book THE WORK OF GOD Its Final Chapter! Sadly, David Pack simply does not understand prophecy correctly as he really does not discuss the final chapter of the work of God (for those interested, please read the article The Final Phase of the Work or watch the CCOG sermon titled The Final Phase of the Work). His approach and focus has long been wrong. Instead, he is mainly explaining why he feels that RCG is doing the work, that he writes a lot, and why the internet is the vehicle RCG uses. Some day, if David Pack is interested, I would be happy to explain to him more about the truth about THE WORK OF GOD Its Final Chapter! But I do not believe that David Pack believes that he can be wrong. Those who agree with David Pack will learn that they are mistaken.

Herbert Armstrong's Criteria

What about Herbert Armstrong? The one that David Pack originally stated he follows so precisely?

Herbert Armstrong made it clear in his Autobiography that conversions and baptisms were the fruits of proper gospel proclamation--this is part of why he stated that CG7 was part of Sardis, the dead church (see Autobiography of Herbert W. Armstrong, Volume 1, 1973 edition--note that the Tkach Administration edited out nearly all the references to Sardis and Philadelphia in the 1986 edition it sent its then membership--please see the article Did You Know What the First Changes the Tkach Administration Made? for many of those unauthorized edits).

In his sermon, Mission of the Philadelphia Church Era, Herbert W. Armstrong set two criteria for the Philadelphia portion of the Church of God that most who were once part of WCG have ignored (these are also mentioned in the article Did You Know What the First Changes the Tkach Administration Made?).

These two criteria are totally consistent with the two criteria that Jesus set in Revelation 3.

  1. The Philadelphian have the Philadelphia work and go through the open door (Revelation 3:8) to proclaim the gospel to the world as a witness as their top priority.
  2. The Philadelphians believe and teach all the 18 truths that were restored to it by holding fast (Revelation 3:10-11) to them and not focusing on twig issues (like Makeup).

And while RCG may some day change its operations and priorities it misunderstands the message and its priorities are elsewhere.

Several After the Fact Positions

When Chris Lomas joined RCG, he claimed I was in error as he claimed the following from an RCG booklet:

...the mission of the true Church is outlined as first of all to preach the gospel of the coming kingdom of God in all the nations of the world. So! Mr. Thiel is incorrect...(Lomas Chris. Why I left the LCG. October 23, 2006).

The fact is that this article (prior to his writing that) acknowledged that RCG has come to a variety of conclusions after the fact. Let's go over three of them here.

1) RCG has HWA's priorities.

Well, RCG's original priorities according David Pack were:

What are the priorities of Restored?
1. To gather and feed the flock of God and to teach them to hold fast to the exact precision of doctrines as handed down by Jesus Christ, through the apostles and prophets, including our own end-time apostle, Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong...
3. To be found doing the Work of preaching the gospel, as led by Jesus Christ, and as He gives us funds and time to do so in this age (Pack, David. Why the Restored Church of God. Booklet. 2000. pp.18-19).

While after the fact RCG may have changed the above order, the fact is that it still appears to me to operate with its priorities as David Pack originally stated. To me, its focus seems to be to keep telling its members to tow a Pharisaical line while mainly trying to get its Pharisaical message to those in other COGs. True Gospel proclamation is not truly its true top priority.

Recall that it was David Pack who also wrote:

Since Mr. Armstrong was not sure whether or not the open door was placed in front of Philadelphia or himself as its messenger, I have no intentions of acting presumptuously declaring it to be one way or the other. I sincerely do not know. I suspect that door is either closed or closing and have felt that this has probably been happening for some number of years (Pack, David C. Is the Work Finished? Booklet. 2000. p. 55).

The truth is that the change to place proclamation of the gospel as RCG's top priority only came after those in RCG viewed early editions of this article and decided that they needed to change their literature. Perhaps they should credit this article for assisting them in that point?

2) Writing a lot makes one an apostle.

After he decided he had no choice but to essentially re-write much of HWA's writings do to copyright concerns, David Pack declared that his volume of writing essentially proves that he must be the apostle he appointed himself to be.

Again some quotes from David Pack in part two of his 21st Century Apostle sermon:

A lot of you are very complementary of the literature, that encourages me...What is God's point then in having all this work put in?...

Is it to establish an office?...

Having to write vastly more...than any servant God has ever used before. I just have to accept that...If that makes me a braggart, pray for me...

Why so much literature and why no one else? The answer is that they were not sent...

Because, remember, if I don't hold the highest office from this point forward, now that my mind is on it, I am one presumptuous imposter. I am as fraudulent as anyone you will ever meet...Now keep that in mind...

Mr. Armstrong was a Apostle. Yes brethren I hold that office. I do...

Either this work is fraudulent because an unauthorized man is doing things solely given to the highest office above him or something else has occurred. If it is a fraud, here's what it means, everything comes to an end...

If the highest office in RCG is not an apostle...then I was not sent by Christ. (part 2).

But again, this was an after the fact reason.

3) Internet reach is proof of being the true church.

Years after, LCG, UCG, Barnabas Ministries (and probably even the COGwriter site) reached 193 nations, RCG's website stated:

Reaching all 193 nations (most are reached every week) is another undeniable proof that the all-powerful, living Jesus Christ heads and directs but one Church and Work—The Restored Church of God! (Pack D. Major Milestone—All 193 Nations Reached! 6/23/06 on the internet).

Again, if reaching 193 is the undeniable proof that Jesus Christ heads and directs but one Church and Work, then what about those who did this before RCG?

For many years, even the COGwriter site has often been more popular than RCG's site, so why did RCG not declare it had more undeniable proof of being led by Jesus Christ?

It is not that there is never an after the fact valid reason for anything, but I believe that RCG has done this a bit too often to be taken seriously.

2008: The Great Turning Point?

Here is some of what David Pack taught in his nearly three hour RCG 2008: The Great Turning Point sermon in Dec 2007/January 2008:

I've been waiting a long time...for the phase of the work that is now upon us...the work will grow large...this next phase begins this year...

Every aspect of our website...will be remodeled...We are going to spend a lot of money. Well into the six-figures...

We are the largest religious publishers in the world...

A new building is now necessary...A new world headquarters' building for God's work...We are planning to break ground this year...We proposed phasing four buildings in our plan...

The campus does the work of God...it will also make a powerful statement to the splinters...

We are going to have a building fund...it is part of the grand pattern of the past.

Well, what really happened in 2008 is that RCG's internet presence seemed to drop quite a bit (his Alexa ranking on 12/31/08 was 173,111, which is a lot worse than the year prior). RCG's 2008 internet reach seemed to have been less than 2007 (RCG stopped reporting 2008 figures by the Spring of 2008 after I pointed that out--but resumed in the Spring of 2010--RCG often stops reporting numbers when they do not go the way David Pack wants them too).

I had to listen to his "We are the largest religious publishers in the world" twice to be certain that he actually made that seemingly outrageously inaccurate claim. But, David Pack is into extremes, and although he sounds truthful, obviously some of his extreme statements are false.

David Pack did remarry in 2008, hence in that respect it was a turning point. But thus far, his "campus" has not made a "powerful statement to the splinters", as RCG simply does not have the respect of the other groups. Nor has his campus done anything of sufficient note for the other groups to consider much about it.

False Assertions in 2013

In 2013, David Pack went on a campaign asserting that groups would come together basically, disband, and support him. He also began a weekly series of letters/diatribes where he blasts those not part of RCG and makes a variety of improper statements.

David Pack has a writing titled “God’s People Back Together—SOON!” Here are some quotes from it:

All Will Come Here!...

History will record that The Restored Church of God gathered the flock, to be with Christ, rather than helped to scatter it—as UCG, LCG, PCG, COGwa, COGaic and so many others are doing! The distinction turns on which church has the full truth and much fruit to back up claims that God leads it, not to mention that this Church still must believe there IS only one Church.

Soon, all of God’s people will know what The Restored Church of God is. They will come to remember and recognize the Church that is the same as the one they used to know. They will return to it, or refuse and quench God’s Spirit forever. No one else is telling Christ’s brethren (YOU) this. This is in part because all other leaders have forgotten what God’s Church looks like...

You have been duly warned.

I state emphatically, on God’s authority, that every last person—member or minister—throughout the world who is determined not to lose God’s Spirit—certainly many thousands—is coming to The Restored Church of God.

History has recorded that David Pack is not what he claims to be. Let me state that "all" did not come with the Restored Church of God. David Pack's assertions do not change the truth--he also obviously does not understand Church eras as the New Testament shows at least four types of groups (Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea) at the end who have God's Spirit. And they will not all be part of the same corporation.

David Pack should realize that the Church, according to the Bible and the late Herbert W. Armstrong, is a spiritual organism. Here is some of what Herbert W. Armstrong wrote:

“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body” (I Cor.12 : 13)...Notice, now, the FOUNDATION upon which the Church is built…“…upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone”  (Eph. 2:19-20).

Thus you see how the one and only true CHURCH is NOT an ORGANIZATION OF MEN, but a SPIRITUAL ORGANISM…This spiritual organism is the "Body of Christ" existing for the PURPOSE of carrying on THE WORK OF GOD.

The resurrected, eternally living Jesus Christ is the HEAD of the Church…Now I have shown that the true Church of God is NOT a human organization or corporation, but a spiritual organism, composed of all who have and are being led by the Holy Spirit of God abiding in them. Yet the Church is ORGANIZED. (Armstrong HW.  Just what is the Church?  Tomorrow’s World magazine, July-August 1970, pp. 3-6)

David Pack can selectively quote HWA and try to misapply writings intended for the time of the Philadelphia era to the time of the Laodicea error, but they do not as David Pack asserts.

David Pack's claims and bullying tactics have affected some, but as he simply is not leading the Philadelphia work, his prediction that "All Will Come Here!," meaning RCG, was a false statement. Those truly interested in the end time work of God may wish to check out the article The Final Phase of the Work and/or watch the video sermon also titled The Final Phase of the Work (the written article has been translated into Spanish La Fase Final de la Obra).

More, related, but improper, 2013 assertions

On May 17, 2013, RCG posted the following that David Pack wrote:

The reader should contrast these Friday announcements to the increasing bad news and bad events in UCG, LCG, PCG, COGwa and ALL splinters and slivers of the Worldwide Church of God.

Notice that David Pack clearly is claiming the above about ALL COG-related groups. Since David Pack considers that the Continuing Church of God is a COG "splinter" or "sliver," the above statement from him related to it is FALSE! The Continuing Church of God continues to have increasing good news about its proclamation efforts, additional supporters, and gaining information in additional languages to proclaim the gospel of the kingdom of God (for regular details, simply go to the Letters to the Brethren page and read any or all of the letters there). This one fact alone should show RCG supporters and potential supporters that David Pack's bold assertions cannot be trusted as this one related to Continuing Church of God and various others was clearly wrong.

Also on, May 17, 2013, David Pack's writing included the following:

Before returning to Haggai...we officially moved into the new Hall of Administration building on Monday and everything went extremely well...

First recall that verses 12 and 14 both use the term “ALL” to describe the remnant returning to work in God’s House...in weeks to come, it will also become clear why God specially emphasizes that His “covenant” will continue with this people...For now, just know that God is unmistakably clear that this is what happens to such people. In weeks to come, this moment of decision will be more fully explained. We saw that the people are waiting for reunification, but mistakenly believe it is not yet time. When God provides a clear opportunity, He expects His people to ACT—and quickly! I repeat: those who do not—whether laymember or minister, rich or poor, young or old—will LOSE GOD’S SPIRIT!

With this background, we now begin examination of Haggai 2.

Verses 1-2: “In the seventh month, in the one and twentieth day of the month, came the word of the Lord by the prophet Haggai, saying, Speak now to Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and to Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest, and to the residue of the people, saying…”

The next phase of this prophecy is described as taking place 26 days later—on what is the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles (not the Last Great Day). Do not miss the shift forward in timing, and recall that Haggai means “My [God’s] Feast.” Think of this short book as containing a “Feast related” prophecy, but especially in regard to the second chapter. This is one great reason proving the people all return to God’s Church on the 24th day of the sixth month (Elul) of God’s sacred year!...

2:6-7: “For thus says the Lord of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; and I will shake all nations, and the Desire of all nations shall come [referring to Jesus Christ’s Return]: and I will fill this House with glory, says the Lord of hosts.”

The period described is obviously the Day of the Lord—when heaven and earth will be shaken, alongside all nations of Earth! This obviously is the time just before the Return of Jesus Christ, Who will be coming to His ONE House. This is why you better get over the idea that God’s people can be in MANY houses. Christ is not only returning to His one House, but He will be coming back to a House currently being neglected because, no matter their feelings or what leaders tell them, most today are OUTSIDE that House.

And his post of June 28, 2103 states:

Haggai Fulfilled—When Reunification Occurs

Most are by now probably wondering: When will the events described in Haggai take place? Before which Feast of Tabernacles (remember, Haggai means “My Feast”) will brethren be reunified? The answer is found by returning to Haggai 1. Verses 14 and 15 state that “all the remnant of the people…came and did work in the House of the Lord of Hosts, their God, in the four and twentieth day of the sixth month, in the second year of Darius the king.” We saw in an earlier announcement that this is the 24th day of the sixth month (Elul) in God’s sacred calendar.

For now, I will merely state that the prophecy applies to THIS SUMMER—August 30, 2013.

There was NOT be a reunification of Philadelphians involving David Pack. He and his other followers need to repent and leave RCG.

The 24th day of Elul for 2013 equated with August 30, 2013 on the Roman calendar. It has come and gone without RCG getting what David Pack suggested.

He terribly misunderstands parts of Haggai, what the Bible teaches about Laodicea, and many other passages of the Bible.

More on the August 30, 2013 Falsely Predicted Date

David Pack long has had a false hope that once he built at least part of his hoped for headquarters buildings, that those in the COGs would flock to him. He decided that portions of the Book of Haggai pointed to the fulfillment of his dreams on August 13, 2013. Here are some more statements from his posts related to his fantasy:

There are certain immediate implications to Haggai 1:14-15...

First Sabbath Together

Next is the Sabbath of August 31. You may at this time of course believe or disbelieve what follows. You will later be glad it was written and can be readily referenced. Obviously, when the size of the remnant joining us becomes clearer, as well as at least generally where most of these brethren live—countries and cities—more detail can follow…and very quickly. This will include seeing how many ministers are faithful and also where they live—countries and cities.

In six short weeks, the “Church of God landscape” will forever change. Saturday, August 31 will be a Sabbath unlike any other in history. It will be the first time in decades that all of God’s people around the world will be meeting together in the same locations for services. Words cannot describe the excitement and happiness that will be everywhere soon after this reunification. In many areas, much of or possibly even entire congregations might “roll over” into The Restored Church of God. Brethren will have had weeks to prepare for this and to “consider their ways” before God. Those who come will have been led to return to the Body of Christ the day before this Sabbath. Reread this last sentence.

Realize that a host of logistical details must be worked out for this to occur. God has been planning this event for thousands of years—at least 3,000—and His Church has been preparing for it for almost a year. Headquarters and our ministers will be ready to receive potentially a great many phone calls from splinter ministers and members even in the days and weeks before August 31.

The Feast of Tabernacles

Next, the 2013 Feast of Tabernacles: This will also be among the most special and inspiring times in Church history. It will be a Feast of unity and harmony among all of God’s people. Everyone will keep this joyous occasion as members of The Restored Church of God in scores of sites across the world. At this time, we have 21 sites, but we anticipate adding many more. In some areas, former splinter brethren will attend our current sites. In other locations, we will have to quickly add new ones. In still other areas, splinter sites will simply become Restored sites. The total number of Feast sites, and where they are, will depend entirely on how many brethren answer the “stirring” of Jesus Christ to return to His Church, and in what areas they live. Details may begin (and only begin) to come into view on the first of the month of Elul (in God’s calendar—August 7 in the Roman Calendar). A more complete picture will emerge by Elul 24 (August 30). Right now, all are urged to have in their thinking that they will be reassigned to a new nearby Feast site, and those who choose to return to the Body of Christ will attend with what becomes a much bigger organization—probably significantly bigger than the largest splinter! (Crucial Questions—Important Answers! July 19, 2013, http://rcg.org/sep/crucial-questions-important-answers)

Last Friday’s announcement closed with when the Haggai prophecy will occur—that all brethren will be reunited this summer, in time to attend the Feast of Tabernacles together in 2013. (Recall that Haggai means “My Feast.”) This announcement presents 24 reasons for this timing. There is much proof!...The dates revealed in Haggai have nothing whatsoever to do with any decision that I made. God decided that this prophecy would be fulfilled after planning it over 3,000 years ago (it is referenced in several Psalms). I am not so arrogant as to decide what God must do and when. I repeat again, these events in NO WAY parallel the Return of Jesus Christ. This prophecy is directly tied to a date...The men leading PCG, LCG, UCG and COGwa are God’s ENEMIES!...

Now comes a series of reasons Haggai’s prophecy will be fulfilled this year. They are summarized, with only a very little detail added. More could be said of each, but the descriptions given will suffice to those willing to think just a little about them. Realize there are over 30 more reasons—many of them very powerful—that I have left off the list because some will be covered later or because they would only be recognized as proofs by our Headquarters ministry (involving various miracles, some big). Readers would be largely unable to appreciate them as proofs:...

3) Also related, if God waited 2,500 years to reveal the prophecy’s meaning (3,000 years when various related much older Psalms are considered), is not His waiting done? Does His revealing it not signal that He has reached the time to fulfill it rather than having reached a point one, two or three years out?

4) Next, why would God wait longer? What would He wait for? The remnant is absolutely ripe for deliverance.

5) Internally, and this is no small thing, God’s Church is truly ready to expand the Work in a BIG WAY. The prophecy features this as the MAIN PURPOSE of the remnant returning! Without the prophecy’s fulfillment, this expansion would be delayed one year—or more! Why would God notify His Church of the prophecy’s existence at the very same time our staff is ready, our websites are ready, our literature is ready and even God’s college is ready for more students if the prophecy were not imminent? Why would God notify His Church if HE were not ready?

6) Related to this, the buildings on our campus can very soon handle significantly more staff than we have now. This is already true without the other two buildings scheduled for completion in the late fall. However, this extra size works perfectly if the prophecy occurs this year.

7) Also related, but separate, our infrastructure is ready to receive and serve a much larger flock this fall! This includes field ministry being ready, but also other things...

I repeat: There are many more reasons for a 2013 fulfillment, with a few of a personal nature—and others involving God moving miraculously to reveal crucial things at certain times within an extraordinarily complex prophecy that involves hundreds of verses. (Why Reunification THIS YEAR!, posted July 5, 2013 http://rcg.org/sep/why-reunification-this-year)

Complete Destruction!

We learned that God is bringing “desolation” on the splinters…the objective person concludes that God foretells complete desolation of the splinters and slivers…

Some Final Points

Next consider that God has never dealt with people or done with leaders exactly as He plans with the three shepherds. In fact, there may be other miraculous events immediately surrounding this one…

Of course, many are eager to learn “Who are the three shepherds?” We will know soon enough. But we might ask: Which three leaders are the greatest obstructionists to God’s stated purpose in Haggai—returning HIS people to doing HIS Work? (The Final Announcement. August 2, 2013, http://rcg.org/sep/the-final-announcement)

There was NO BIBLICAL PROOF whatsoever that RCG could be right about this. God was not "moving miraculously to reveal" this August 30th lie date to David Pack, though Satan might have (cf. Ephesians 2:1-2). RCG did not have more than 13,000 Philadelphia-era Christians by August 30, 2013 (which is about the number it would have needed to be larger than the largest COG 'splinter'). How much has RCG been preparing for something that did not happen? If they truly listened to David Pack, it would be a lot. A lot of wasted time and effort.

Before the August 30th date, I wrote:

I have absolute confidence that David Pack is wrong about a lot of this and there is no possible way that any significant amount of Philadelphian remnant Christians will go to him and become part of his church by August 30, etc. I will be correct and it is likely that David Pack will make excuses and otherwise backpedal. He will probably say something to the effect that he told everyone that he was not a prophet, what he wrote was not prophetic, and thus he was just being enthusiatic like some of the New Testament apostles, not one of which ever specified a false date like David Pack has been doing.

On July 26, 2013, David Pack posted:

Before continuing we must also grasp something repeated from before. I am neither a prophet nor have I any self-prescribed authority to bring any prophecies. What will be shown is entirely GOD’S prophecy—from HIS WORD—explained and conveyed through the only office He ever uses to bring biblical truth to His Church (Acts 2:42; Eph. 2:20). The Bible warns that “no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” (II Pet. 1:20). But God does work through His chosen servants. In fact, He never reveals His Plan through anyone else...

Most are aware of Amos 3:7 and God’s promise there: “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but He reveals His secret unto His servants the prophets.” (This means one or more prophets must record every future action that God intends to carry out.) But few ever think through that someone has to teach the MEANING of what the prophets recorded. Otherwise, the secret remains a secret. False prophets and false teachers never get these secrets right because God is not using them. He works through the servant that He IS using, and the explanation is both correct and makes sense against ALL related verses. The bigger the prophecy—and this one is GIANT—the greater the importance for God to “reveal His secret.” Recall that Haggai himself is called “the Lord’s messenger” who brings “the Lord’s message” to His people. Haggai contains BIG secrets. Thus, at God’s selected time, someone—think about this—SOMEONE, from somewhere—has to explain this “Lord’s message” to God’s people or Haggai cannot be a messenger—to anyone. It is that simple. This is MY role.

Notice that David Pack also posted that he was NOT a prophet, so how can he claim that being a prophetic messager is his role? Yet, he does and people in RCG accept this blatant falsehood.

A while back, a reader told me that David Pack had made some outrageous claims in one or more of his sermons that he did not have in his weekly posts. Some notes from someone who listened to David Pack's sermon were sent to me and details are in the post: RCG’s David Pack declares that ‘three shepherds’ will die on August 30, 2013. Is Bob Thiel one of them? Here are some of statements that a reader sent me that he said he heard David Pack make:

All Brethren United Soon Part 12

How could so many things happen in 24 hours?

Minute 26. Three men die- Elul 24, then everyone makes a decision that day.

Minute 29. Certain things about this prophesy is very complex, others are very simple.

Minute 30. No way everything could happen in one day.

Minute 32. Do you care most how the 3 Shephard’s die?  In their sleep, by fire?

Do you care who they are?

If God tells us then I want to know otherwise it doesn’t matter.

You are going to find out how they die and who they are.

Minute 33. I know their names 100% sure. Don’t want the names out yet. Now I’m certain I know.

Do you care where it happens? I don’t know where it will happen.

I know how they die and who they are. I’m certain.

Minute 34. How about when they die?  They die sooner then we thought.

Do they die together or separately. I know they die together.

Two culminating events. The death of these men is the first. The central point is God is going to bring his people back together/unify his people.

The '24 hours' was supposed to be August 30, 2013. This did not happen (and if I was supposed to be one of the three shepherds that was supposed to die, it didn't happen). David Pack's speculations were proven to be wrong. We will see how long he will live and how long his new 'empire' will last (cf. 2 Peter 2:1-3).

Hopefully many in RCG will realize that David Pack was truly wrong about his understanding of Haggai and various other prophetic passages. David Pack will likely dismiss this and claim that he really was not being specific. Yet the reality is that what he did was quite specific, was very wrong.

Sadly many in RCG will likely still stay with him. In RCG, as well as many of the other groups once part of GCG and/or WCG, people confuse loyalty to an organization with loyalty to God. The reality is that many simply confuse what they perceive as their own self-interest for loyalty.

In RCG, and some other places, many confuse their own covetousness with faith. I have long believed that RCG has one of the biggest covetous issues of groups claiming to be COG (cf. 2 Peter 2:1-3). Those there really do need to anoint their eyes (Revelation 3:18) and see the truth.

This would be an excellent time for them to consider what will happen when David Pack's predictions simply do not happen as he indicated. RCG is not now, nor has it ever been a Philadelphian organization (Revelation 3:7-13). Even if it is even part of the COG, RCG would seem to have ones not part of the COG, have many who would be Pharisaical Laodecians (see also Are the Laodiceans the Modern Sadducees and Pharisees?), as well perhaps having some relatively few confused Philadelphian Christians.

Those in RCG also might wish to spiritually consider the following prophecies:

1 Woe to the rebellious children," says the Lord,
"Who take counsel, but not of Me,
And who devise plans, but not of My Spirit,
That they may add sin to sin; (Isaiah 30:1)

10 Who say to the seers, "Do not see,"
And to the prophets, "Do not prophesy to us right things;
Speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits. (Isaiah 30:10)

12 Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel: "Because you despise this word, And trust in oppression and perversity, And rely on them, 13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you Like a breach ready to fall, A bulge in a high wall, Whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant. 14 And He shall break it like the breaking of the potter's vessel, Which is broken in pieces; He shall not spare. So there shall not be found among its fragments A shard to take fire from the hearth, Or to take water from the cistern." (Isaiah 30:12-14)

20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21 And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' — 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)

While David Pack tries to claim he is not a prophet (and certainly he is not a prophet of God), the reality is that he claimed that God told him things such as him supposedly being 'Joshua.' But God did not, and the fruits of his false interpretations should make that clear for those who will accept the facts.

People in RCG have been hearing a lot of David Pack counsel that does not come from the God of the Bible. David Pack, in my view, has long been a spiritual oppressor. It would seem sinful for any to remain part of RCG. See also, RCG: Can you see the ‘handwriting on the wall’? Your emperor has no clothes! and RCG: The Real Truth.

Just because David Pack is not God's apostle, does not mean that someone such as I do not have a prophetic role from God. Those in RCG need to consider how they should act and what they should do (see also How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God).

David Pack's Explanation of His August Failure

David Pack posted information on September 6, 2013 attempting to have people overlook his clear errors.

Before getting to that, notice an email I was sent late September 6, 2013:

As a former member of RCG, I have been following Mr. Pack's dramatic and equally delusional "Special Announcements" as well as your updated comments in CCOG's News section regarding his false predictions. You are likely aware of his latest, Special Announcement #26, just posted today. Early, in paragraph 3, Mr. Pack states, "Earlier announcements have been corrected." HE WASN'T KIDDING! I went back in my MAC's history in an attempt to resurrect the original postings but to no avail. One of them, Special Announcement #21, originally entitled "Why Reunification THIS YEAR!" , changed before my very eyes to "Why Reunification SOON!" Hopefully, you or someone has kept the original copies of these "announcements." This man is doing everything in his power to blind his members and maintain his power.

So, what did David Pack write?

I will explain a week after the Feast EXACTLY what was misunderstood about the prophecy’s timing. It appears we will not be waiting a long time—not another year—for its fulfillment. (Earlier announcements have been corrected.)...

Before covering vital points and scriptures that all should now keep in mind, it is of course obvious there was an error in the prophecy’s timing. There may be other details that are wrong. I always knew this and said it to the Church more than once...

Of course, some may just go home. Unavailable to you will be healings, blessings and almost daily exciting announcements of God’s Church and Work. (Just view our “Behind the Work” film right after the Feast of Tabernacles to see the sharp contrast with your group.) Or would you rather support the exciting Work of God being done in His Church, under His government, in His full truth, while experiencing the peace, joy, love and unity only possible in one Church?

The only real alternative you have is to follow Christ’s Spirit back to His Church.

Think hard about what you will do. You do not need to wait until our next “Fruits” letter highlights how we continue to explode in growth and the reach of the Work while other groups do not. You need not miss out.

Do not stake your salvation on the timing of the Haggai/Zechariah prophecy. I repeat a final time. (Pack D. How Long Will You Wait for God’s Prophecies? 09/06/13 http://rcg.org/sep/how-long-will-you-wait-for-gods-prophecies)

David Pack spent months on his earlier announcements, now is "correcting them." He is now indirectly admitting error without indicating a need for his repentance. David Pack claimed to speak with God's authority about Haggai 2 and August 2013 and was clearly wrong. RCG is NOT doing "the Work" nor is it leading the final phase of the work (see also The Final Phase of the Work here is a related YouTube sermon video titled The Final Phase of the Work. The written article has been translated into Spanish La Fase Final de la Obra. There is also a sermonette length video titled Leading the Final Phase of the Work).

David Pack made a big deal about his details prior to August 30 and now he does not want people to realize that he was acting in the capacity of a false prophet.

Recall that the Bible teaches:

20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21 And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' — 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22)

However, it seems to me that people in RCG are afraid of David Pack and his words about the Church and salvation keep them afraid. Yet, since David Pack is a false apostle, his teachings about his church being the right one, etc. are wrong. People need to believe their Bibles above the words and writings of David Pack.

Now, to attempt to excuse himself, David Pack also wrote:

I join the apostles who misunderstood certain prophetic timelines. (But so have all of you old-timers in the Church done the same.) I could not deny what appeared to be the obvious year of this incredibly unique prophecy—unlike all others where one could not know the year, such as the day of Christ’s return. With one of my roles to warn God’s people, I could not just pass over the timing-related elements of the prophecy. The prophecy carried a certain urgency. (Pack D. How Long Will You Wait for God’s Prophecies? 09/06/13 http://rcg.org/sep/how-long-will-you-wait-for-gods-prophecies)

Yet, this is in many ways a red herring argument. While various true apostles felt that certain matters would occur in their lifetimes, no true apostle ever wrote that so much would happen in a particular day and month that did not happen. Of course, false apostles like Ronald Weinland of the Church of God-Preparing for the Kingdom of God did.

But there is no proof that any other apostle said something would happen in a few weeks or on a specific date and not had it happen. But this has historically been true of false prophets and false apostles. And David Pack is a false apostle.

I believe that part of why he plans on sending out other letters is to try to hold on to more in RCG between now and the end of the Feast of Tabernacles. Hopefully, many in RCG will see that there 'emperor' has no cloths and is clearly not God's apostle (RCG: Can you see the ‘handwriting on the wall’? Your emperor has no clothes!). David Pack has in the past directly and indirectly belittled me, yet, I was always right about August 2013 and he was always wrong.

David Pack is still wrong about Haggai 2 and people need to realize it was more than just the date he was wrong about. He is not 'Joshua' nor God's apostle as he claims.

David Pack's post also included the following:

We have the numbers! It is clear that some brethren ARE “considering their ways.”...

I will explain a week after the Feast EXACTLY what was misunderstood about the prophecy’s timing. It appears we will not be waiting a long time—not another year—for its fulfillment. (Earlier announcements have been corrected.) Next Friday, I will post another one detailing three crucial elements that were previously unexplained, with three more to be explained after the Feast.

Make no mistake. THE PROPHECY STANDS. Because it was never my prophecy, but rather God’s, it WILL come to pass. The whether and what of the prophecy have not changed, only the WHEN...

If you stay where you are, you have chosen to continue under false leaders in a place of division and deception, one drenched in false doctrine and under a false government, all while witnessing accelerating collapse around you. (Pack D. How Long Will You Wait for God’s Prophecies? 09/06/13 http://rcg.org/sep/how-long-will-you-wait-for-gods-prophecies)

So, David Pack is asking for more time, while also trying to claim he had some success. But what he said would happen did not. While he is referring to other groups about false leaders, he needs a mirror. David Pack has proven to be false once again. And this should be dramatic enough for all interested in the real truth to realize that. David Pack did not repent, which to me at least, is additional proof he is not truly part of the Church of God. The "numbers" he referred to today pale in comparison to HIS ASSERTIONS AND BOASTS earlier this year. The August 30, 2013 date MOST CERTAINLY WAS DAVID PACK'S--IT NEVER WAS GOD'S. David Pack seems to wish to pass the blame to God, but the blame is clearly on his shoulders for being wrong.

Notice something David Pack previously wrote:

At this time, we have 21 sites, but we anticipate adding many more. In some areas, former splinter brethren will attend our current sites. In other locations, we will have to quickly add new ones. In still other areas, splinter sites will simply become Restored sites. The total number of Feast sites, and where they are, will depend entirely on how many brethren answer the “stirring” of Jesus Christ to return to His Church, and in what areas they live. Details may begin (and only begin) to come into view on the first of the month of Elul (in God’s calendar—August 7 in the Roman Calendar). A more complete picture will emerge by Elul 24 (August 30). Right now, all are urged to have in their thinking that they will be reassigned to a new nearby Feast site, and those who choose to return to the Body of Christ will attend with what becomes a much bigger organization—probably significantly bigger than the largest splinter! (Crucial Questions—Important Answers! July 19, 2013, http://rcg.org/sep/crucial-questions-important-answers)

What he wrote above did not come to pass. Perhaps I should that one of the reasons that David Pack gave for his August 30, 2013 date was so people would have enough time to change from going to other Feast of Tabernacles' sites, to RCG sites. And obviously, thousands did not do that.

Notice in his "Final Announcement" post of August 2, 2013, David Pack posted:

“Notification” by God

Some weeks ago, when explaining the year that the prophecy is fulfilled, I listed perhaps two dozen reasons for 2013. There are perhaps twice that many more reasons that have been listed by those of us inside the process of learning what God is doing. There is no point in enumerating them all because they would merely be lampooned by scoffers and mockers who in many cases might not even respond to the prophecy when they SEE it! For those who wish to be objective, but who take as a starting point that they do not believe the year of the prophecy’s fulfillment is 2013, ask why you disagree with the internal elements of the prophecy itself. I have put in a great many hours preparing what you read because there is value in getting people to think about what will happen BEFORE it happens. The Final Announcement. August 2, 2013, http://rcg.org/sep/the-final-announcement)

Thus, David Pack indicated that God told him about August 2013, which is blatantly false and that he spent MANY HOURS preparing that post. So, his error was no accident. The fact that he called that post The Final Announcement (while making another today with future ones planned) reminds a lot of Ronald Weinland of the Church of God-Preparing for the Kingdom of God as he used terms like "final warning" and "final witness," yet continued to spue out his error after being proven wrong. David Pack's coming explanation of "three crucial elements that were previously unexplained" also reminds me of some of Ron Weinland's improper explanations.

David Pack's followers need to pay closer attention to the Bible than David Pack's assertions and boasts. Notice the following:

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. (2 Peter 2:1-3)

12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. (2 Corinthians 11:12-15)

David Pack clearly has caused the way of truth to be blasphemed by CLAIMING to be part of the Church of God, while publicizing predictions that were proven to be false. And he has long used 'covetous words.' Sadly, those in RCG seem to want to follow a false apostle. Hopefully, that does not include you if you have followed him in the past.

David Pack Claims that RCG Had the Most Fruits in 2013 of any COG--Yet it Really Seems to have Had the Most False Prophetic Fruits

On January 16, 2014, David Pack posted the following:

An Open Letter to All WCG Splinters

The Restored Church of God: Fruit Found Nowhere Else!

BY DAVID C. PACK

For five years, starting after 2009, I have written an Open Letter about The Restored Church of God to all of God’s people. This will be the longest and most inspiring of the five. You will want to read every paragraph—each one is loaded!

As 2014 arrived, 2013 had brought one proof after another that humanity is utterly failing—in EVERYTHING!...

The FRUITS of this world—SATAN’S world—are ALL BAD!...

Jesus taught, “You shall know them by their FRUITS” (Matt. 7:16, 20)...

But The Restored Church of God DOES have the fruit—TREMENDOUS fruit!—that the other organizations lack...

Our income crossed well into the eight-figure mark, and, for instance, significantly exceeded COGwa’s announced 2013 income of $10.3 million, despite its being several times our size...

The Hall of Administration was completed in 2013 and gives us almost 42,000 sq. ft. of beautiful office space...

Make no mistake. The Haggai/Zechariah prophecy will be fulfilled.

The above posting also basically spent time going over various measures and programs that RCG has been engaged in that I do not feel are particularly relevant as I consider that David Pack is a false apostle (2 Corinthians 11:13). He also claimed since RCG's income is not down that this is proof of his fruits/blessings--I consider that they are further indication of his bullying tactics. Eventually, I believe that RCG will have problems in the financial area, as well, however (cf. 2 Peter 2:1-3).

Let me comment that by the time 2014 arrived, it proved that much of what David Pack claimed would happen with others coming to his church in 2013 was false.

Probably no other claimed COG group (I do not consider that David Pack is truly converted, but he might have been and could now simply be delusional), made as many publicized prophetic blunders and proof of being false as RCG did. Despite failing so badly with his false predictions and prophetic interpretations in 2013, David Pack is calling 2013 a big success. Napoleon tried the same stunt regarding his failure in Egypt, but because of limited of communications centuries ago, he got away with it. In the 21st century, those in RCG are really without excuse. RCG failed terribly in 2013 and ABSOLUTELY PROVEN THAT DAVID PACK WAS FALSE.

David Pack has long indicated that having fancy buildings was his goal--and he seems to consider that as an important fruit, which I do not consider to be a fruit--years ago he indicated that this would get those in the 'splinters' (his term) to want to support RCG--but that has not happened to any significant degree (there are often changes in affiliations). As far as the Haggai/Zechariah prophecies, those will NOT be fulfilled as David Pack has claimed. I said that earlier in 2013 and was proven right, while David Pack's insistence on that and his original August 30, 2013 date were proven wrong.

Now, since David Pack referred to Matthew 7 and fruits, let's specifically read what Jesus taught:

15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. (Matthew 7:15-20)

Notice that Jesus' statements were in reference to prophetic fruits. Do people in RCG care about what Jesus actually taught about this? David Pack had the false prophetic fruits that Jesus warned about. Other groups like Ronald Weinland's Church of God-Preparing for the Kingdom of God had similar fruits, but they were less dramatic in 2013 than some other years. RCG seems to have made the boldest, most reported, prophetic ones that were proven false in 2013.

Those actually interested in learning about organizational fruits for 2013, may wish to watch the online sermon: Sermon: Continuing Church of God first year anniversary: What has been accomplished?

Those interested in learning about prophetic fruits and where they are at should consider studying the article: How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God.

David Pack Comes Up with More Wrong Dates for 2014 and 2015

David Pack posted the following on October 11, 2013:

This will be my last announcement for some time. It brings additional aspects of the Haggai/Zechariah prophecy to completion…

I have been well aware for over 40 years in the ministry of Mr. Armstrong’s position on setting dates. But in the case of the Haggai prophecy, I and every minister at our Headquarters concluded that the prophecy came in a manner that was inseparable from timing—that timing was directly attached to it. Later you will see what part of this thinking was wrong. (Pack D. A Conclusion Everyone Should Read. October 11, 2013. http://rcg.org/sep/a-conclusion-everyone-should-read viewed 10/11/13)

Let me interject that most of the thinking RCG put out on Haggai and Zechariah this year, and not only a small part of it, was wrong. It is interesting that David Pack is trying to implicate people who felt pressured by him to agree and also blame them for his errors.

Also in that post, David Pack (I decided not to post all of it) basically blamed Herbert Armstrong for errors, essentially suggesting that there was no difference between 1972 and August 30, 2013. But years before 1972, Herbert Armstrong taught that it was not likely going to be the end then, whereas David Pack pushed his position until late August 2013.

Anyway, David Pack also wrote:

Originally we took the “sixth month” to be the sixth month of God’s sacred calendar, which is Elul. This was wrong. Upon closer examination, it became clear that the reference to the “sixth month” is simply to the sixth month and second year of King Darius’ reign from when it started…A series of clues point to Haggai 1:1 being in the SPRING of the year, NOT the fall.

Haggai 1:1 records the third overall date—the first day of the sixth month. This would be early March our time.

The fourth date is in Haggai 1:15—the 24th day of the sixth month. It describes the people coming to work in God’s House. Again, this would be about April 1 in our calendar.

The fifth date is in Haggai 2:1—the 21st day of the seventh month—and would be late in April. We originally thought this was the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles, but it would be more like right after Passover.

The sixth date is in Haggai 2:10—the 24th day of the ninth month—and continues through Haggai 2. This would be the equivalent of late July…

We should now at least ask: Will God’s people keep the Passover and Days of Unleavened Bread together in 2014?—in 2015?—or later? The reader may draw his own conclusions…

The answer to the first and second question is, NO POSSIBLE WAY WILL ALL OF GOD’S PEOPLE BE UNIFIED IN 2014 OR 2015 AS DAVID PACK HAS INDICATED THAT MAY. I continue to conclude that David Pack is delusional and any who believe him are allowing themselves to be deceived in many ways.  As far as 2014 or 2015 Passover dates go, David Pack is somewhat reminding me of the Protestant John Hagee who has his own predictions related to those Passover dates that he ties in with ‘blood moons’ (see Blood Moons and Prophecy, there is a related YouTube video is also available: Blood Moons, Prophecy, 2014, and 2015.).

Back to his post, David Pack then at least admitted an error, but without real repentance:

None of this new understanding speaks to when the prophecy will be fulfilled. I will certainly never repeat such a mistake.

He then said that 5 of his 21 Feast of Tabernacles’ sites were up 19-29% in attendance, without giving total results or actual numbers. Sadly, this will help persuade many of the deluded to stay with them. That is a personal and spiritual mistake. And the reality is that he is pointing to other dates, so while he claims he will never be as insistent on future dates, he is pointing to other dates, and they will also be proven to be wrong.

David Pack  also had the following false statement:

A statement to all MINISTERS: God WILL reunite His people, and soon.

David Pack simply does not understand many aspects of biblical prophecy. The type of reunification that David Pack is purporting is not part of God’s plan for His Church in the end (cf. Revelation 2 & 3; Revelation 12:14-17).

RCG is Not What David Pack Seems to Think it is

Despite claiming precision of doctrine, RCG is seriously encouraging organizational idolatry (see also The Bible, Peter, Paul, John, Polycarp, Herbert W. Armstrong, Roderick C. Meredith, and Bob Thiel on Church Government). RCG has strayed like the Apostle Paul warned that some others had:

5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm. (1 Timothy 1:5-7)

Hence, RCG may wish to re-look into its positions on these and other matters. RCG fails to realize that it does not have an actual Philadelphian work. RCG's writings clearly show that it has a different work than HWA's WCG had. The Apostle Paul condemns RCG's basic approach, which also overlooks writings from the Apostle John (1 John 5:21; 3 John 9-11).

On May 31, 2013, he posted:

The apostle Paul foretold a closing “short work” (Rom. 9:28), and God’s ONE Church will complete it!

All the big splinters do not grasp the colossal importance of what is at stake in the true Work of God today. Only one or two organizations even begin to remember, let alone comprehend, that a powerful warning must reach 600 million Israelites throughout many nations and territories before the Tribulation strikes...

The World to Come telecast, already blanketing the world and rapidly expanding, will much further explode in scope and viewership. Think. Most (or all) television contracts now held by the splinters will shift to us because Tomorrow’s World (LCG), Beyond Today (UCG), and The Key of David (PCG) will also be immediately RETIRED! (Believe this!)

The Real Truth magazine subscription list will begin sprinting toward multiple millions. This will be in part because Tomorrow’s World (LCG), The Good News (UCG) and The Trumpet (PCG) magazines will also be immediately RETIRED. (And believe this!) This alone will probably quickly generate great numbers of subscribers looking for where to turn...

With ALL competition gone, The Restored Church of God will be the instrument through which Almighty God does “again” the Work accomplished under Mr. Armstrong’s leadership—and will thus be the only organization finishing God’s Work.

Other groups are not 'competition.' Most COG-groups are composed of Laodiceans, Sardisians, Thyatirans, the unconverted, and perhaps sometimes with a few Philadelphians. But David Pack views them now as competition, and competition that supposedly will be essentially gone by now. That did not happen.

Since the other groups are not gone, it would seem that he may directly or indirectly claim that they are no longer COG and he has the COG ones with him (or at perhaps David Pack will again assert that the Laodiceans are outside the body as he did before).

But, for example the Continuing Church of God is continuing with our magazine, videos, radio interviews, etc. to work to fulfill Matthew 24:14--which by-the-way, is not limited to the Israelite descended peoples. It is interesting that while he identifies some groups, he will not directly mention the Continuing Church of God--he seems afraid to mention it as he probably considers it to be competition. However, since he said ALL would be gone, he is also improperly asserting that this would include the Continuing Church of God. David Pack was in error. And those who may read this years after he made his wrong ALL assertions (he has made others) should realize that David Pack's often bold assertions are often false, which shows that he too is false. David Pack is a false apostle.

Speaking of false statements, allegedly he has claimed that 'three shepherds' (leaders in COGs not tied to RCG) will die, apparently prior to September 1, 2013:

Zechariah 11:8: “Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and My soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred Me.”

Now the second culminating event. We saw the “shepherds” throughout Zechariah cannot be religious leaders overseeing congregations (flocks) in the world. Otherwise, which “three” ministers would it be referencing? We could never know. And what would the removal of ANY three worldly ministers, occurring in ANY particular month, ever have to do with God being able to feed a flock that was being slaughtered? Remember, we saw this flock is His flock. No matter how influential any three worldly ministers were, their removal from power would not affect GOD’S PEOPLE. Protestant ministers and Catholic priests are not deceiving God’s people. Do you know a single person who thinks they are?...

Further, verse 9 in Psalm 44 describes the people there as being “cast off.” This is the equivalent of being “delivered to Satan” in order to learn big lessons and ultimately receive salvation. Read I Corinthians 5:5, I Timothy 1:20 and then Job 1 and 2 if you do not believe God delivers even His greatest servants into the hand of the devil in order to teach them crucial matters about their character.

But the time has come for God to deal with these three men. They have gone from being in God’s purpose to being IN HIS WAY. For over two decades, modern enemies have thwarted God’s Work. Top leaders have bought and sold God’s people to enrich themselves. These wolves have kidnapped the brethren, stolen God’s tithes and blocked HIS Work from advancing to the size and scope that it must...

Some will ask: WHEN exactly will Christ remove the three men? Starting with the fact that Christ is a shepherd, we might ask: How long would a shepherd tolerate wolves who are threatening His flock when He holds the power to address them? It will certainly not be on the last day of His purpose, but rather some time likely well before that date. The following should help. The remnant is not listening. Christ knows this—and why. He can change it. How long would He wait? Each day lost with the remnant not hearing Him is a day less for them to recover. There are only 24 days total for the people to act. The same is true with Christ organizing their move and a complex merger. There are only 24 days total for the people to act. Yet again, the same is true with ministers who may be battling other wolves in their organizations as they strive to save sheep—and to establish themselves as faithful ministers before God. There are only 24 days total for these ministers to act. We will see how long Christ waits...

The death of three shepherds is basically a footnote in God’s GRAND and AWESOME plan to retrieve His flock and put them to work in the greatest Work God has ever done on the face of the earth. THAT should be your focus—and this begins with CONSIDERING YOUR WAYS when God’s “attention-getter” comes to pass. (Pack D. Two Cumulating Events. Posted 07/26/13)

It is not my purpose to tell you who the three shepherds are, what day they will be removed or how they die. God will supply answers to those questions soon enough.

While people can die, if I (Bob Thiel) was alive after August 30, 2013 ended.

Anoint Your Eyes

Years ago, one who I spoke with who attended RCG for a while told me he had been influenced by David Pack's writing titled Anoint Your Eyes.

Thus far, I have seen no reason to read that document, because it is clear to me (and many with a COG background) that apostasy entered the COGs and most have departed from the faith. I consider that most who were part of the COGs have become Laodicean with some associated with Thyatira and Sardis. Furthermore, I believe that most of the Laodiceans are modern Sadducees and Pharisees.

I, personally, have documented this over the years in a series of articles. Actually, the cogwriter.com webpage actually seems to have more documented articles detailing how the various COGs have specifically departed from the Philadelphia era teachings and practices than other sources do.

Some of my experiences with David Pack's inaccurate claims about other COGs have already been addressed in this and other articles, so there is no point seeing them again in this other writing of his.

At this time, all I intend to do is give a brief list of why those associated with RCG need to anoint their eyes to see that RCG is simply not part of the remnant of the Philadelphia portion of the COG.

1) David Pack is a self proclaimed apostle based upon his opinions of his church, his writings, and a misunderstanding of the Bible and COG history. After trying to explain why the Bible requires that there be an apostle in charge of the COG, Daivd Pack then claims that there were no apostles for 3/4 of a millennium prior to HWA. Does no one in RCG not see how inconsistent that is and how it invalidates his current claim that there must be an apostle, and it must be him?

2) David Pack claims to carefully follow the teachings of HWA, however HWA specifically did not appoint anyone to be an apostle to takeover after HWA died. Hence, HWA clearly did not feel that the end-time portion of the Philadelphia portion of the COG had to be specifically led by a living apostle.

3) David Pack had the wrong priorities when he began RCG and felt that the Philadelphia work was basically over. Recall that he wrote,

Since Mr. Armstrong was not sure whether or not the open door was placed in front of Philadelphia or himself as its messenger, I have no intentions of acting presumptuously declaring it to be one way or the other. I sincerely do not know. I suspect that door is either closed or closing and have felt that this has probably been happening for some number of years (Pack, David C. Is the Work Finished? Booklet. 2000. p. 55).

4) RCG clearly does not understand what the Bible, HWA, and what is the true gospel (see What is the Gospel?). The Bible and HWA clearly show that:

Just TWO things we do—REPENT, and BELIEVE. We must BELIEVE the Gospel, and that means also believing on JESUS CHRIST, the KING of the Kingdom of God, and coming KING of kings over all the families of the earth. It means believing in Him as personal SAVIOUR, as High Priest now, and as coming KING (Armstrong HW. What is the True Gospel? WCG booklet, 1972, p.6).

5) As far as I can tell, David Pack has consistently made false accusations against various ones which he must or should have known are not true, so why does he not change/correct them if he is a true Christian leader?

6) RCG cannot be counted to be the vehicle that God will use for His final prophetic warnings (including the place of safety).

7) RCG clearly does not understand that the Bible and HWA authorized evangelists to proclaim the warning message to the world. HWA had evangelists do it while he was alive, plus approved that the telecast should be done by various evangelists upon his own death.

8) RCG clearly misunderstands scripture concerning some of its Elijah teachings. It also does not understand what HWA actually wrote and admitted about a future Elijah.

9) RCG often emphasizes minor points (like the appearance of potential new converts at church services) over love and truth. RCG's leader seems to follow the Pharisees that Jesus condemned.

10) RCG misunderstands the truth about Laodicea. HWA and the Bible taught that they are part of the true Church. Recall that David Pack wrote,

While Laodicea means “the people rule, judge, decide,” they are still God’s people, but in a weak and confused condition. However, they do not represent His true Church, and are outside His Body (Pack D. Where is God's True Church? RCG Booklet. 2005 edition).

This is another change from HWA's church taught, which was:

...the Laodicean era...they are the Church of God...the "Church of Laodicea" (What is the Laodicean Church? Good News, August 1959).

As well as a change from the Bible (Revelation 3:13-14). While it is true that the Laodiceans do not value the full truth as much as they should, they are not outside His Body.

11) David Pack admits that he has changed the work. While he claims HWA was the messenger to Philadelphia, he claims he is the messenger to Laodicea. This is clearly a different work.

12) David Pack now claims to have the understanding of the 144,000 for the first time ever. This suggests that he no longer believes it is heresy to differ from what HWA taught.

13) While David Pack has made a variety of boasts about the number of people he baptized while working as part of WCG, he and RCG simply do not have the type of fruits that Jesus says the faithful church would have.

14) David Pack has made a variety of improper assertions in 2013 and many will be proven false by September 1, 2013.

Will those of you associated with RCG anoint your eyes?

Concluding Thoughts

If RCG had ever publicly announced its membership or total FOT attendance, I have never seen it--so its size remains somewhat of a mystery to those outside its inner circle.

In 1999 and 2000, David Pack claimed that RCG stood for "precision of doctrine" and that gospel proclamation was either not necessary or a low priority. But oddly, notice the following, which seems to include an attack against me and this article:

Greetings! My name is William Behrer, and I have been serving as the executive director of operations at The Restored Church of God Headquarters in Wadsworth, OH...

watchdogs love to start their drivel with things Mr. Pack supposedly once believed in 1999 and 2000. These men are deceivers and they purposely open their postings about Mr. Pack with ancient history—false history...(Behrer W. Don’t Allow Others To Do Your Thinking. January 26, 2012. http://www.rcgtruth.com/2012/01/dont-allow-others-do-your-thinking.html viewed 02/04/12)

Now, it is absolutely true that I have posted comments and positions from David Pack and RCG in 1999 and 2000. Perhaps I should mention that in 1999, David Pack emailed me back then and told me that he essentially approved of my reporting about him and RCG. For William Behrer to call quotes and positions that RCG held as false history suggests that William Behrer is bearing false witness. It seems that RCG does not want to accept its own documented history! This article quotes RCG literature which absolutely proves what RCG's actual history and focus were. Yet its Executive Director of Operations calls that false history? Will not those in RCG anoint the eyes are realize that if RCG will not admit what it has clearly done that it cannot be trusted?

RCG's focus is really on trying to persuade former WCG members to support it, as opposed to trying to get the message of the gospel of the kingdom to the world as a witness. I do not see that RCG has truly "restored" any significant truth, but has mainly added things about David Pack and misunderstood certain intentions of Herbert W. Armstrong. HWA claimed to restore 18 truths, all of which the Philadelphia remnant teaches--but what has RCG actually restored? The Pharisees were condemned by Jesus for their focus on outward appearance, even though they thought that they were the ones being faithful.

David Pack was wrong about August 2013 and cannot possibly be right about his 2014 or 2015 dates. He does not truly understand many aspects of prophecy.

RCG simply has not displayed sufficient fruits of conversion to consider that it is the one true church. David Pack is not Herbert W. Armstrong's spiritual successor.

If heresy is defined as departure from biblical teachings, then it appears to be the Restored Church of God that is clearly committing heresy. It is difficult to understand how a group that claims to stand for precision of doctrine could change the priorities of the Church, claim some of those same doctrines are heresies, and make up new ones of its own. RCG's inaccurate prophetic teachings clearly will mislead its members and truly shows lack of precision of doctrine. David Pack's limited and less than accurate understanding of the final work of God and end-time prophecies will mislead those who insist on following him.

While reaching people through the internet is important, groups other than RCG have long done that (even my one person site reached more people than RCG for a number of years, although probably not in the past few). Based upon RCG's current position on the use of the internet, it should have declared others faithful many years ago as others met the standard that David Pack later claimed as "undeniable proof that the all-powerful, living Jesus Christ heads and directs but one Church."

If RCG truly had the fruits of the Philadelphia era of the COG, one would think that it would actually reach more people with the good news, but this is not the case. RCG makes various claims about "growth"--and though it has had growth in some limited areas, it has regressed in others and does not represent the faithful Philadelphia Christians in these latter days.

RCG also simply does not seem to fully understand the Bible, especially related to Jesus Christ. It also misunderstands the gospel (for more information, please see Appendix A below).

I consider that David Pack often acts like a bully and not a Christian leader. Here is some of how Wikipedia defined bullying on 5/27/12:

Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of power. It can include verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion and may be directed repeatedly towards particular victims, perhaps on grounds of race, religion...Bullying ranges from simple one-on-one bullying to more complex bullying in which the bully may have one or more 'lieutenants' who may seem to be willing to assist the primary bully in his or her bullying activities.

Others may disagree, but based upon my experiences with how he at times works (bullies do not always act like bullies or they could not get away with that behavior for as long) he acts like one (and sometimes uses 'lieutenants' do some of it for him). And yes, my conclusion (which is based upon data over many years) includes information gained from to talking with current and former RCG members as well as reading various accounts.

David Pack has made a variety of improper assertions in 2013 and many will be proven false by September 1, 2013. Hopefully, some will anoint their eyes (cf. Revelation 3:18).

Sadly, RCG appears to be a place for people to go who do not wish to be part of a major work to proclaim the gospel, wish to focus on odd "pharisaical" things, and those that apparently wish to believe that David Pack is now an apostle. It is my hope and prayer that those who look into RCG will anoint their eyes and realize that RCG is not truly following the whole teachings of HWA, Jesus Christ, or the Bible. A true apostle does not continue to promote error or knowingly promote false accusations.

The Bible warns the Philadelphians not to let any man take their crown (Revelation 3:11, KJV)--if David Pack is NOT for certain God's true apostle, but is a self-appointed one, then those that follow him are allowing him to take their crown. RCG does not properly understand various aspects of doctrine or biblical prophecy.

This is a serious subject.

Will you make your decision about which COG to support based upon the criteria of the Bible or listen to a man who is not consistent but forceful in his assertions?

P.S. Someone asked me for a listing of differences between CCOG and RCG. Here is what I responded with on 1/25/13:

Dear XXXXX:

While there are doctrinal differences, focus is probably one major difference between RCG and CCOG.

With RCG, you will see that its focus is more on its top leader (David Pack), raising money, and physical outward appearance than CCOG.

In terms of doctrine, I believe that RCG misunderstands the gospel, and is wrong about its anti-makeup position and is wrong about its insistence that the late Herbert W. Armstrong was the Elijah to come.

My own experience with RCG suggests that it is not afraid to bear false witness and I have found this disturbing over the years--which is part of why I have questioned David Pack's conversion.

Basically, if you feel that you owe David Pack honor and want to focus on outward appearances, then RCG could be for you. Otherwise, if you wish to be faithful to the teachings of the Bible, may I suggest the Continuing Church of God?

Four biblically-based articles of related interest might Unity: Which COG for You?, Attending the Church of Choice, and Are the Laodiceans the Modern Sadducees and Pharisees?

Laodicean Warning for God's People If you have read this far you are probably a current or former member of one of the Churches of God and may be interested in reading this warning article.

Appendix A: RCG Misunderstands the Gospel

David Pack misunderstands the gospel.

David Pack went so far as too inaccurately claim:

Why did Mr. Armstrong never take even one occasion to include Christ in the gospel? Did you see a shred of evidence in any statement that he considered Jesus Christ or His sacrifice, death, burial and resurrection to be part of the gospel? The answer is an emphatic NO!

Apparently his mind is closed to understand what the Bible and HWA's writings actually state. Notice two quotes from HWA:

What is Christ's Gospel?  What is the message God sent to mankind by Jesus Christ?  It is the GOOD NEWS of the KINGDOM OF GOD!...Of course that power-filled message INCLUDES THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE SAVIOR, High Priest and coming King!  Of course, it INCLUDES the true way of salvation, which the churches seem to have lost! (Armstrong, HW. Good News, Jan. 1980, p. 9). 

But now what about the Gospel of GRACE - the Gospel of SALVATION?...We must believe the GOSPEL, and THAT MEANS ALSO believing on JESUS CHRIST, the King OF the Kingdom of God, and coming King of kings over all the families of the earth. IT MEANS believing in Him as personal Saviour, as High Priest, now and as coming King" (Armstrong HW. What is the True Gospel? 1972 booklet, pp. 8, 10.)

David Pack is emphatically wrong. Herbert W. Armstrong most certainly did mention Christ as part of the gospel. Jesus became savior and high priest through His sacrifice, etc. (Hebrews 9:11-15). Those who follow David Pack are following a self-appointed apostle who clearly does not understand certain basic statements in the Bible nor HWA's writing.

Those in RCG should consider the words of Jesus as well as the last verse in the Bible:

26 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His own glory, and in His Father's, and of the holy angels. (Luke 9:26)

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. (Revelation 22:21)

The grace of Jesus Christ must be very important or it would not be the last statement in the Bible. Actually, it is so important that the Apostle Paul wrote:

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. (Ephesians 2:4-10)

Yet, notice what Larry McElroy, "a pastor in The Restored Church of God serving in the Kansas City area" actually posted:

Greetings again! My name is Larry McElroy, and in my previous communication I mentioned that my wife and I departed from UCG in the fall of 1999.

I have asked myself, is there a more rare and important commodity on Earth than Truth, which so few seem to find? But also, how far would I go to qualify for eternal life? And how much effort would I exert to obtain salvation?...

How far will we go to qualify for eternal life? How much effort will we exert to obtain salvation? (McElroy L. A Most Important Trip. February 22, 2012. ww.rcgtruth.com)

Does not he and those in RCG not realize that one cannot earn one's salvation? Do they not realize that Christians are saved by the grace of God through faith in Jesus? Let me repeat something that HWA wrote:

Just TWO things we do—REPENT, and BELIEVE. We must BELIEVE the Gospel, and that means also believing on JESUS CHRIST, the KING of the Kingdom of God, and coming KING of kings over all the families of the earth. It means believing in Him as personal SAVIOUR, as High Priest now, and as coming KING (Armstrong HW. What is the True Gospel? WCG booklet, 1972, p.6).

The truth is that RCG has serious misunderstandings about the gospel as they seem to teach it involves human effort beyond what the Bible and HWA teach.

Those of the Philadelphia remnant are not ashamed of Christ of His words. And as the Apostle Paul wrote, "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek" (Romans 1:16).

Sadly groups like RCG act like they would be ashamed to proclaim this portion of "the whole counsel of God" (Acts 20:27). Those who attack the COG on this matter are simply not being true to the Bible nor what HWA actually taught (see also What is the Gospel? and The Gospel of the Kingdom of God was the Emphasis of Jesus and the Early Church).

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