CGPFK Ronald Weinland’s “More Time” Confusion



For the past three weeks, self-appointed prophet and false claimer to be on the the two witnesses, Ron Weinland, has been giving sermons titled “More Time”.  I have not listened to any of them, but his group Church of God Preparing for the Kingdom recently posted the transcript for the first one (June 26, 2010) online.  It points out, however, that Ronald Weinland does not even seem to be able to accurately “prophecy” how many parts his sermon would be.  Notice:

Today and next Sabbath, actually for sure, we’re going to have part 1 and part 2 of a sermon today…

And there have already been three parts.

And while that is not of that great importance (I mainly have it here to start off with a small joke), it is part of a pattern with Ron Weinland–and that is that he says things that are not accurate, but people keep following him.

In order, in my view, to justify other errors that he makes, he added another odd understanding of prophetic events in the first part of that sermon:

And so God then revealed to us another judgement of His that was declared on Trumpets 2008; and because of the 50th Truth and some of the things we addressed there; but on Trumpets 2008 concerning the timing of Satan’s sign of Christmas. Incredible! Christmas of 2007 to the Feast of Trumpets of 2008 being another 280 days of judgement. God letting Satan know it’s come to an end, this is it…

Well, where has he always worked? The Catholic Church; the mass of Christ; and people don’t understand what it’s about and where it came from. Incredible!  And so, again here, from Christmas of 2007 to Trumpets of 2008; another 280 days of judgement, a sign about Satan. His end is here. His end is nearly over in the sense of his influence upon the world.

This 280 time of judgment related to Satan in 2007/2008 is utter nonsense.  FWIW, over two years ago, he also declared that Satan got special power over Pope Benedict XVI on April 17, 2008.  And while Ron Weinland did not explain how these fit together, there has been no evidence that Pope Benedict was affected in any unusual way since that time.

Ronald Weinland in the 6/26/10 sermon transcript also declared:

And so because of the 50th Truth and the understanding that God has given us of Christ’s return on Pentecost, May 27, 2012 we also came to understand the true date for the sealing of the 144,000 that was to precede Christ’s reign by 1335 days – which again is covered in the book of Daniel at the end of those verses that we were reading earlier. And we understand that was a point in time; September 30,  2008 which was the Feast, again, here talking about Trumpets of 2008. What an incredible thing that God uses the same moment in time to go backward – something to do with Satan; and to go forward. I don’t know about you but I find that a very powerful, awesome sign – I truly do! It’s very motivating, very stirring if we understand.

Now, I am sure that Ronald Weinland will conclude that I am one who does not understand.  But Jesus is NOT going to return on May 27, 2012. And instead of having the physically required signs of the Great Tribulation or even those that the Bible requires from the two witnesses, he seems to claim that his odd interpretation of certain prophetic matters is “a very powerful, awesome sign“.  I say this is nonsense.

He stated the following prophetic misunderstanding:

And so from this God revealed that the opening of the 7th Seal was about Daniel’s 1290 days making this great occasion to be November 14, 2008 – when the 7th Seal was opened.

No, the 7th seal of Revelation 8 was not opened on November 14, 2008.  He originally claimed that the 1290 days began on March18, 2008.  And even after nothing happened on that date, he clung to it claiming what happened to begin the 1290 days was spiritual (for details, please see my news post Ronald Weinland: Nothing Happened March 18th Because What Happened Was Spiritual?)

Ronald Weinland then claimed the following in his 6/26/10 sermon:

So the 1st Trumpet sounded on December 14, 2008 and no immediate evidence was given to the world that the 1st Trumpet had sounded and for some that caused some consternation.

Notice what the BIBLE says should have happened:

7 The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up. (Revelation 8:7)

Of course, people who actually look at the Bible would not believe that the first trumpet sounding happened on December 14, 2008 as the above signs simply have not taken place.  There should be more than “some consternation” with his followers.  His followers either do not believe the Bible, do not understand that Ronald Weinland’s comments contradict the Bible, or do not care that they do.  For some reason, although he quoted parts of the Book of Revelation, he left out the verse that discusses the first trumpet.  His followers should study Revelation chapter 8 and realize that Ronald Weinland continues to prefer his explanation to the word of God.

Instead, he then somewhat wraps that up with another false “time” statement:

So from December 14, 2008 when the 1st Trumpet was blown until and including Trumpets of 2009 was another period of 280 days. Powerful!…God showing and driving the point home this time and finally giving it in a very powerful way that this is a time that we had to understand. Looking back to Trumpets 2008 was the announcement of Satan’s government coming to an end and it was the announcement of those who will begin to rule after Satan is removed and that is about the sealing of 144,000. All these things happening at the same time; and about Christ coming on Pentecost 2012.

Powerful?  No, just another irrelevant and inaccurate statement.  Again, Jesus will NOT return on Pentecost in 2012.

Ronald Weinland then spent time discussing earthquakes, volcanoes, other natural disasters, and economic problems, then stated:

It’s not that these things haven’t happened before, they have! Floods are not new! Volcanoes are not new! Earthquakes are not new! …but the intensity, the frequency – that is new because we continue to enter into a time when things have not happened like they’re happening now.

The problem is that these are NOT the specific events of the first trumpet.  At most, they are events associated with what Jesus referred to as the “beginning of sorrows” that take place PRIOR to the Great Tribulation (cf. Matthew 24).

Notice how he begins the final paragraph of the 6/26/10 sermon:

But I put a cautionary thing out there too… don’t try to figure out what’s going to happen and talk about it to the point and degree that it’s like “this is what must happen,” just as I mentioned here… I have no idea.

It seems like he is telling his followers not to look at what the Bible says must happen and that he, though claiming to be one of God’s two witnesses (he appointed his wife as the other), has no idea what will happen during the time of the seven trumpets, etc.  This should prove to anyone and everyone that he is not one of the two witnesses.

I have repeatedly warned people for around five years that Ronald Weinland was not God’s prophet and that his “prophecies” essentially are from his own imagination (though, like Satan, Ronald Weinland can quote scripture, as do other false prophets–Harold Camping comes to immediate mind as another).

Furthermore, for those unfamiliar with him, perhaps it needs to be pointed out Ron Weinland originally declared that the final 1260 days of the Great Tribulation started on April 17, 2008, but changed that to December 14, 2008.  I would venture to state that very few people think that the Great Tribulation started in 2008, but this is still what Ronald Weinland teaches.

Ronald Weinland also stated that the USA dollar would be worthless   “a little past April” in 2008, that the USA would be nuked by June 8, 2008, that he would stop preaching by the end of July 2008 if that nuclear attack did not happen, and that there would not be a new USA president taking office in January 2009 (yet Barack Obama did).

Ronald Weinland has more and more time confusion.  Hopefully, his followers will wake up and realize this.

Some articles of related interest may include the following:

Concerns About Ronald Weinland’s Church of God-Preparing for the Kingdom of God Ronald Weinland falsely claims to be one of the two witnesses God is raising up and that the end will come in 2008 (first April 17th, then June 2008, now December 14, 2008). Why does the Bible show that Ron Weinland is a false prophet? He also has at least one other view that suggests that he is not part of the Church of God.
Can the Great Tribulation Begin in 2010, 2011, or 2012? Can the Great Tribulation begin today? What happens before in the “beginning of sorrows”? What happens in the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord? When is the earliest that the Great Tribulation can begin? What is the Day of the Lord?
Who Are The Two Witnesses? What is their job? What does the Bible reveal? What has the Church of God taught on this subject? Might even Roman Catholic prophecies give some clues here?
Harold Camping’s Teachings About the End of the World Do Not Agree with the Bible Harold Camping teaches that the rapture will be on May 21, 2011 and the world will end on October 21, 2011. Like Ronald Weinland, he allegorizes too many scriptures.  What does the Bible show?
2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect This is a link related to a book by Bob Thiel (COGwriter). This also has YouTube videos related to 2012. The book is for those truly interested in understanding how prophecies inter-relate and who want to see a real sequence of end time events.  Unlike the false statements in Ronald Weinland’s books, events aligning with this one are actually coming to pass.

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