Guttenberg Held a Meeting for Many International Defense Ministers

Karl-Theodor von und zu Guttenberg

Karl-Theodor von und zu Guttenberg


Germany’s Defence Minister Baron von und zu Guttenberg called a military meeting that occurred Tuesday.  The following was machine translated from German into English:

Von René Heilig 12.05.2010

Guttenberg agreed to Afghanistan persistence strategy

The defense ministers of the northern troops for Afghanistan on Tuesday gathered in Berlin to send out “a signal of international unity, but also the international commitment,” as Defense Minister said Guttenberg.

Germany has asked the command of the 16 countries International Security Assistance Force in the region. Participants included the deputy Afghan Defense Minister Sher Karimi, and representatives of NATO and the European Union (EU)…

“We all know that the situation has in the northern region in recent years, not as developed as we had actually hoped that,” said Minister Karl Theodor zu Guttenberg (CSU) yesterday.

Here is a but more information:

ISAF DefMins to meet in Berlin Tue to discuss Afghan sit’

11.05.2010, 02.02

May 11 (Itar-Tass) – The situation in Afghanistan will be discussed here on Tuesday by the Defence ministers and Chiefs of the General Staff of the countries participating in the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), the military contingents of which are part of the regional command North. According to information from the German Defence Ministry, the informal meeting, which will also involve representatives of the European Union and NATO, will be held at the invitation of German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg…The overall numerical strength of ISAF is about 102,500 servicemen from 46 countries.

Germany hosts meeting with 15 Afghan participants

Associated Press 2010-05-12 12:28 AM

Germany’s defense minister says a meeting of nations serving in the NATO-led force in northern Afghanistan has agreed to try to hand control of the region to Afghan troops by mid-2011.The DAPD news agency cited Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg as saying a meeting of the group Tuesday signaled its determination and cohesiveness in the region.

The meeting is significant because it was called for by the German Defense Minister Karl-Theodor Guttenberg.

Who is Baron Guttnberg?  He is a rising political leader in Germany that keeps making moves suggesting that he wants to get cooperation, but under his direction.

As reported some time ago (see Statfor’s Caesar; Karl-Theodor von und zu Guttenberg a Prince of the North?), he is someone to watch as the potential final King of the North in Bible prophecy.

Here are some reasons for this conclusion:

Here are 20 items to consider:

  1. Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is a leader from middle Europe.
  2. He has a military background.
  3. He is considered to have some economic expertise.
  4. He is an extremely popular politician (the most popular in Germany in early 2010).
  5. He is considered an expert on foreign policy.
  6. He is currently “Minister of Defence” for Germany.
  7. He is some type of Catholic (see also PCG Claims Karl Guttenberg is a “Devoted Roman Catholic”, COGwriter has a different view).
  8. Because he is married to a Lutheran (and she apparently did not convert prior to marriage), he apparently is not super strict about being Catholic (some other news reports I have seen also seem to confirm this in other ways as well).
  9. His wife also has political connections.
  10. He seems to have ecumenical tendencies, and that is what the “Great Monarch” of Catholic prophecies and the final Beast of Revelation would likely have.
  11. He is a descendant of the Habsburg line of rulers (the Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire were basically from the Habsburg line).
  12. Charlemagne was a Frank-German leader and “Holy Roman Emperor”.  Certain Catholic prophecies indicate that the “Great Monarch” will be a descendant of Charlemagne.
  13. His blood line crosses into various countries in Europe (at least Germany, France, Austria, Liechtenstein, and Croatia).
  14. He has the right to select the priest for his parish.  Hence, the idea that political leaders should be involved with religion is something he was raised up believing. A leader combining church and state is prophesied in Daniel 11:37-38 and Revelation 13.
  15. The understanding that his title means “Baron of the Holy Roman Empire” is interesting as the Book of Revelation describes a power that would resemble a re-emergence of “the Holy Roman Empire” (Revelation 13:3,12) and Catholic prophecy specifically tells of a time when “The Great King will be crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the reigning Pope” (Birch DA. Trial, Tribulation & Triumph: Before During and After Antichrist. Queenship Publishing Company, Goleta (CA), 1996,, p. 555).
  16. The fact that he is one of the most popular political leaders in Germany suggests that he has a certain charisma that would be consistent with that which is expected for the final Beast leader.
  17. Because one of his relatives was involved in a plot against Hitler in 1944, he may be perceived as less of a threat than others with a German background.
  18. He is considered to be a smooth talking attractive leader.
  19. Some of his entertainment actions suggest that beneath his exterior he may have certain “vile” tendencies (cf. Daniel 11:21).
  20. He has risen to powerful positions quite quickly.  And may do that again.

To slightly expand on point 14, notice the following news account that suggests his wife’s attitude is that the state is above the Catholic church:

…Stephanie zu Guttenberg, the head of a leading child protection group and wife of Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, who called on the state to get tougher on abuse rather than leave it to the Church…Guttenberg, who is the German president of the anti-abuse group Innocence in Danger, said the state could not leave it to the Church alone to pursue abuse.

“Priests and clergymen are citizens of the Federeral Republic of Germany. And if a citizen here commits a crime, then that must be punished through the institutions of the state,” she told reporters at a fundraising event Monday evening. (Minister calls for abuse compensation. The Local: German News in English, 9 Mar 10. viewed 03/09/10)

So, if Baron Guttenberg has a similar attitude to his wife, he may feel that the state has the obligation to be above the Catholic church–a view that seems consistent with one that the King of the North has (cf. Daniel 11:36-38).

If Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is involved with a future Middle East peace deal and he establishes some type of new religious “Catholic” order, then it could very well be that he could be the final King of the North.  But even if he is not, we are certainly living in times where a powerful leader in Europe will rise up.

Notice something that was published in a book that I wrote in 2009 (it was printed in August 2009):

The King of the North will probably proclaim “peace and safety” while plotting for the sudden destruction of those opposing him (1 Thessalonians 5:2–3). This would be a second false proclamation of peace. The sudden destruction is likely to include a nuclear attack, and could possibly happen in conjunction with a NATO exercise that would catch the U.S.A. and its Anglo-allies off guard (other nations are likely to also be involved). (Thiel B. 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect. Nazarene Books, 2009, pp. 302-303).

Notice the following two news item from 2010:

German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg Calls For NATO Reforms

“We speak too much and achieve too little,” said the German Ministe {sic} as he hoped for “courageous and pragmatic” proposals to reform NATO to meet its objectives. The Minister was discussing the need for redeveloping the strategic concept for NATO and urged for inclusion of ideas from the new member states. (German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg Calls For NATO Reforms. Source: eGov monitor – A Policy Dialogue Platform. Published Wednesday, 17 February, 2010 – 17:20. viewed 02/20/2010).

German minister calls for Lisbon treaty EU army

GERMAN FOREIGN minister Guido Westerwelle has called for the EU to proceed with plans for a European army under the Lisbon Treaty, which he dubbed “the beginning and not the end” of a common security and defence policy.

His remarks at the annual Munich Security Conference followed a call by Berlin’s defence minister Karl Theodor zu Guttenberg to end what he called Nato’s “absurd” practice of unanimous decision-making (Scally D. German minister calls for Lisbon treaty EU army. The Irish Times – Monday, February 8, 2010. viewed 02/20/2010).

Notice that the Baron wants NATO to be changed, and fairly quickly. Yet he still wants NATO around. And he wants it to be able to make decisions without all the nations in it agreeing–he considers that having to get all agree is “absurd” . That may not bode well for the one nation known as the USA. And that indicates that Baron Guttenberg seems to have dictatorial tendencies.

Of course, this does not prove that Karl-Theodor von und zu Guttenberg will have to be the King of the North, but these items may be more than an interesting coincidence.

Tuesday’s meeting is just another indication that he is trying to develop cooperation under his direction.  And while he may not be the one who will be the final King of the North in Bible prophecy, he is one person to watch.  Time will tell.

Some items for further related study may include:

Who is the King of the North? Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11? Is a nuclear attack prophesied to happen to the English-speaking peoples of the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand? When do the 1335 days, 1290 days, and 1260 days (the time, times, and half a time) of Daniel 12 begin? When does the Bible show that economic collapse will affect the United States?
2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect This is a link related to a book by Bob Thiel (COGwriter). This also has YouTube videos related to 2012.
2012 y el surgimiento de la secta secreta Nuevo libro del Dr. Thiel en Español.
Two Horned Beast of Revelation and 666 Who is 666? This article explains how the LCG views this, and compares this to Ellen White.
Europa, the Beast, and Revelation Where did Europe get its name? What might Europe have to do with the Book of Revelation? What about “the Beast”? Is an emerging European power “the daughter of Babylon”? What is ahead for Europe?

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