Stephanie Guttenberg Confirms Temporary Move: Is the King of the North Coming to the USA?


As regular readers of this page are aware, I have had my eye on one-time German Defense Minister Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg since late 2009 as one who could possibly fulfill the role of the final King of the North. I have expected that he would likely go abroad for some time, his wife has now has said that he would move to the USA:

Former Defense Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, who resigned his Berlin post after becoming embroiled in a plagiarism scandal earlier this year, is set to move to the United States, German tabloid daily Bild reported Tuesday.

The newspaper quoted Guttenberg’s wife, Stephanie, confirming speculation that the couple and their two daughters were planning to move to the US east coast.

According to the report, the family will move in the coming weeks but there are no plans to leave Germany forever.,,15318322,00.html

When I posted last month that he himself indicated he was coming (see Baron Karl zu Guttenberg Moving to USA), a group I will not mention here now, indicated that I may have been in error, but apparently I was correct.  If Karl zu Guttenberg ends up being the final King of the North, I expect him to return to the USA, and it will not be good (cf. Daniel 11:39; 2 Thessalonians 2).

FWIW, perhaps I should mention that over a year ago, I also posted this about the Baron (June 14, 2010, see Guttenberg Hints of Resigning):

For various reasons, he may be out of the limelight for a while, if he does, in fact, become the final King of the North.

About that time, in my article, Might German Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg become the King of the North?, I wrote, “As far as being exiled goes, the Baron is not always popular, and he may become unpopular for a time.” I wrote the following could apply to him:

Josefa von Bourg (d. 1807): God will choose a descendant of Constantine, Pepin, and St. Louis, who has been tried by a long period of exile to rule over Europe. He will have the sign of the cross on his breast…Under him the Catholic religion will spread as never before (Culleton, The Prophets and Our Times, pp. 181-182; Connor, p.37).

Anonymou Paraphrasis (10th century): The one true King, who is inhabiting a humid place to avoid the heat; whom men have expulsed from his own dwelling and gave a place to live in the islands; who is engaged in navigation and fishing every week; (this King): will be revealed when the time of the power of the Ishmaelites comes to an end. (Tzima Otto, p. 30)

Having resigned his post as German Defense Minister and now leaving Europe, suggests, to me at least, that he may be fulfilling the writing by Josefa von Bourg.  Whether he will move to a humid place and fish remains to be seen (I do not believe that any one individual can fulfill ALL of the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox prophecies about the Great Monarch, who seems to be the same individual as the biblical King of the North, as some appear to be contradictory).

On February 25, 2011 (see Guttenberg Down, But Not Out), I posted:

And it is possible that he could end up out of the limelight, or even out of a political office, for a while.

And, this has clearly happened.

As I have mentioned before, his scandal and exile appears to be consistent with certain Roman and Orthodox Catholic prophecies about a leader commonly referred to as the Great Monarch and possibly biblical prophecy concerning the Beast, the final King of the North. Notice a passage from the Bible (three different translations shown) that seems somewhat supportive of that view:

21 And there shall stand up in his place one despised, and the kingly honour shall not be given him: and he shall come privately, and shall obtain the kingdom by fraud. (Daniel 11:21, Douay-Rheims)

21 “‘His place will be taken by a reject, a man spurned and passed over for advancement. He’ll surprise everyone, seemingly coming out of nowhere, and will seize the kingdom. (Daniel 11:21 from THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson. All rights reserved.)

21 And in his place shall stand up a contemptible person, to whom they had not given the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in time of security, and shall obtain the kingdom by flatteries. (Daniel 11:21, ASV)

Many have ridiculed and rejected the Baron because of the plagiarism and many despise what he did, yet others (including the Living Church of God) suspect that he may rise up again.  Notice the following:

An article describing the scandal ended with the observation: “As for Mr. zu Guttenberg himself, it would be unwise to write him off. By stepping down now, he hopes to preserve much of the goodwill he has accumulated over the past few years. His resignation may be a prelude to resurrection rather than the end of a brilliant career” (The Economist, March 1, 2011).

Even though plagiarism appears to be a “minor” sin in relation to other horrendous abuses by public officials, it breaks the 8th and 9th commandments and results in consequences. Mr. zu Guttenberg may reemerge in politics in the future (and this bears watching), yet his actions and their ramifications reinforce the biblical principle, “be sure your sin will find you out” (Numbers 32:23). (TW News & Prophecy, Living Church of God, March 4, 2011).

According to political scientist Gerd Langguth from the University of Bonn, Guttenberg will not likely stay out of the public eye for long. He told the Wednesday edition of the Thüringer Allgemeine newspaper that he sees a comeback in about three years…Langguth said Guttenberg’s “honorable statements” on Tuesday had made such a return feasible. (

For those who are unaware, all the Habsburg line seems to have descended from Charlemagne (King Pepin was the father of Charlemagne), and the Baron’s mother was a Habsburg. So the idea of one who is to become a ruler who has Baron Guttenberg’s ancestry is supposed to be exiled.

Here is an Eastern Orthodox prophecy about a coming leader:

Monk Leontios (no later than 912): Go hurry to the West of the Seven-Hilled City; you will find there a man who is dear to Me; he is given to prayer, he has dark hair, honey-colored {sun-tanned skin}, he is gentle and noble-minded; he is cognizant of the things of the future; and on his right foot he has a sizable callosity (Tzima Otto, pp. 84,203–p. 203 says sun-tanned was a proper translation for “honey-colored”).

Being a Baron, one who suspect that Baron zu Guttenberg would be “noble-minded” and he does have dark hair. The photographs I have seen of him show him somewhat tanned and not nearly as white-skinned as some others in Germany. It may be of interest to note that if the “Seven-Hilled City” above is Istanbul (which is more likely here) than Rome, that the town of Guttenberg (which is where he lives) is west of it.

If Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg eventually establishes a new religious order within Catholicism (cf. Daniel 11:38), promotes European unity (Revelation 17), promotes ecumenism, promotes peace in the Middle East (even if he simply makes a statement endorsing it when he is in another land, including possibly while in the USA, cf. Daniel 9:26-27), and/or otherwise rises up in European politics, he could be very interesting to watch. He now may have the time to do some of these things. If he is the one, his coming stay in the USA will give him better insight into the USA and probably contacts that he may exploit later, perhaps as a subterfuge for an attack on the USA (cf. Daniel 11:39).  If he also ends up on very good terms with Cardinal Koch (see Kurt Koch Made a Cardinal: Might He Become the Antichrist?), this may also be an indicator–and could be a strong indicator–of a possible King of the North role for the Baron.

On the other hand, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg could simply be a normal politician, with ups and downs like many others. We will see.

Much is happening in the world, and a leader known as the final King of the North (or Beast) in Bible prophecy, will ultimately become the leader of Europe. And according to the Bible, he will have military abilities (Revelation 13:1-4) and apparently be charismatic (cf. Daniel 7:20,11:21-24,31; Revelation 13:3-5). Karl zu Guttenberg seemingly fulfills these requirements.

We all should watch (cf. Mark 13:37).

Some articles of possibly related interest may include:

Europa, the Beast, and Revelation Where did Europe get its name? What might Europe have to do with the Book of Revelation? What about “the Beast”?
Who is the King of the North? Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11? Is a nuclear attack prophesied to happen to the English-speaking peoples of the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand? When do the 1335 days, 1290 days, and 1260 days (the time, times, and half a time) of Daniel 12 begin? What MUST happen BEFORE the Great Tribulation?
Might German Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg become the King of the North? Is the German Defense Minister one to watch? What do Catholic, Byzantine, and biblical prophecies suggest?

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