Yes, There Was An Earthquake, But…

6.7 Earthquake in Northridge California Destroyed the Above Building of Kaiser Permanente As Well as Various Freeway Overpasses and other Buildings on January 17, 1994. The Northridge quake was over 10 times as powerful as the Chino Hills 5.4 quake on July 29, 2008


Since it is now August 2008, I felt that this would be a good time to review something from another one who incorrectly believes that he has God-given prophetic abilities.

On May 30, 2008, I received the following email from Tim Carpenter:

Dear COG Writer,
I am Pastor Tim of I Saw The Light Ministries.
I have admired many of your writings over the years.
I noticed today that you are in California.
I know you will not believe what I have to tell you and that is okay.
But when after you see a major earthquake occur in the California Region in the month of June or July this year, 2008 in JUNE or JULY., then you will have your confirmation. As soon as possible either now or after this earthquake, please move ASAP out of California because there is something much larger coming very very very soon there. God has revealed Cities of Refuge which I first denied but then God confirmed and has been re-confirming in MAJOR strong un-deniable ways now.

As I wrote on May 31, 2008 (see Another Self-Appointed Prophet?), while I am glad that he likes my articles, I have been to his website in the past and simply do not believe that he has God-given prophetic abilities (he also seems to have ignored the facts that I have given for why the Great Tribulation could not begin in 2008 and why it cannot begin before 2012). Nor did I move from, nor plan to move away from, California. He is correct that I do not believe he can predict earthquakes.

On March 22, 2008, Tim Carpenter posted:


Of course, his pronouncement was premature as the biblically-required events (such as those in Matthew 24:15-16 and Daniel 11:27-31) have not yet occurred, hence it was not time in March 2008 to flee (though there is a place of safety, for details please see There is a Place of Safety for the Philadelphians. Why it May Be Petra).

Now, despite the fact that the July 29, 2008 quake did not kill anyone (according to the reports I have seen), Tim Carpenter feels that it fulfills his “prophecy”. Despite news stories trying to show the worse, CNN reported, “the California earthquake caused only minor damage”–not quite what one would expect from a prophesied “major earthquake”.

On May 22, 2008, he posted something at you-tube where he claimed:

An earthquake, a major one.  Not just a five or six…When this is fulfilled you’ll know this is truly of the Lord…It was confirmed to me by the Lord Jesus Christ…

People will be hurt. I’m not talking about a three-pointer. I’m talking about a big one.

He now has an article titled JULY 29, 2008 California Earthquake fulfillment. But notice some of the main statements in that article:

I know I was wrong on how strong it would be for July.

But I really believe that is so that there will be room for doubt at this point in time. In other words, God wants the people to have Faith. However, the larger quake is still coming. It will occur in 2008 or 2009. And it will be at least a 6.5 but I believe it will be in the 7’s or 8’s, that is in 2008/-2009 in the California Region. What I mean by “California Region” is that it may occur in the state or it may occur in the water/ocean. The main one will be associated with a Major Tsunami…

In 2008-2009, America/Israel Will attack Iran. But before we attack Iran, There will be major explosions in America. Affected cities will include San Deigo and Detroit and NY City and other cities…

China/Russia/Japan/Korea/Vietnam will invade the US sometime between 2009-2015 thereby using the earthquakes and civil war to aid them in their invasion…

The 2008 Chino Hills earthquake occurred in southern California on July 29, 2008. According to the United States Geological Survey (USGS), the magnitude 5.4 earthquake had an epicenter near the Chino Hills area east of California State Route 142…Preliminary reports showed no deaths or significant damage due to the physical location of the earthquake…

I am glad that he admitted that he got the strength of the earthquake wrong. Would one of God’s prophets send out a wrong prophecy?

It really does not take inspiration of God to state that in any two consecutive summer months in “the California region” there will be a newsworthy earthquake. (According to his you-tube post, parts of Nevada, bordering states, the ocean, etc. were also in “the California region”–thus he used a very large geographic area).

Also, predicting that Iran may get attacked within the next 1 1/2 years is not something that I would take as prophetic should that occur.

So, similiar to Ronald Weinland, we have another false prophet who is indicating that even though he really was not right, that people need to have “Faith” presumably that God is working through him.

Furthermore, while the Asians may support a USA invasion, the invasion will be by the European King of the North, with assistance from the King of the South (an Arab-Muslim confederation).

In his JULY 29, 2008 California Earthquake fulfillment post Tim Carpenter continued with:

How this quake points to Feb. 2009

This happened on July 29, so there you have the number “29”. It was centered 29 miles from LA. See ABC News Article. So there you have another “29”. There are TWO 29’s associated with this quake. When ever you have two signs, then you have a confirmation.

Please see the March 21 article for how “29” points to Feb. 2009!!!

So here is some of what Tim Carpenter wrote in July 28, 2008 update of his March 21 article:

The Lord was showing me the numbers 29 and 229 over and over. It eventually led me to Feb. 2009. There are many many reasons how I got led to Feb. 2009. But the quickest and easiest to explain is Feb. 2009 can be seen as 2-2009 and 2-29. And 2-9-2009 and 2-9-29.

So, today I was led to count backwards from 2-9-2009 29 weeks. And It comes to 7-21-2008!!! On July 21, 2008 the United States Attorney General said that he wants Congress to make an official declaration of War against Al Quida or how ever that is spelled…So then I noticed also that 7-28-2008 or 7-28-28 is 28 weeks to 2-9-2009!

I AM saying, yes I AM, saying, that something WILL happen IN Feb. 2009 unless the people repent. In fact, there will be events even before Feb. 2009! But be sure to watch Feb. 2009 as well. I also say this: The mark of the beast will get geared up big time in 2009, the spiritual side AND the physical side of the mark.

I do not believe God led him to his understanding. I do not believe that God led him to count backwards to come up with the July 21, 2008 date (which is NOT July 29th, of course). By indicating that God did this, he like other delusional ones is being presumptuous–God warns against those types of “prophets”:

…when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him (Deuteronomy 18:22).

What Tim Carpenter actually “predicted” did NOT come to pass.

Notice that AFTER the July 29th earthquake, he stated that it led to the February 2009 date, on July 28, 2008 (the day BEFORE) he indicated that God led him to calculate July 21, 2008 and that July 21st possibly pointed to February 2009. But apparently he NOW feels that a minor damage earthquake is more significant than what he wrote for July 21st and even though July 29th was not a date he specified, that this is the date NOW leading to his February 2009 predictions.

Thus, his stories and explanations keep changing. The fact is that I do not believe that God led Tim Carpenter to predict a major earthquake as it was less major than Tim Carpenter specifically predicted–I do not believe that this fulfilled his “prophecy.

Those who listen to false prophets and false apostles will continue to be misled.

Those truly interested in end-time events need to pray and study their Bibles and may also wish to compare what the Bible teaches to what I have pointed out in the following articles:

Who is the King of the North? Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11? Is a nuclear attack prophesied to happen to the English-speaking peoples ofthe United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand? When do the 1335 days, 1290 days, and 1260 days (the time, times, and half a time) of Daniel 12 begin?
Is There A Future King of the South? Some no longer believe there needs to be. Might Egypt, Islam, Iran, Arabs, or Ethiopia be involved? What does the Bible say?
The Arab World In the Bible, History, and Prophecy The Bible discusses the origins of the Arab world and discusses the Middle East in prophecy. What is ahead for the Middle East and those who follow Islam?
Asia in Prophecy What is Ahead for China? Is it a “King of the East”? What will happen to nearly all the Chinese, Russians, and others of Asia? China in prophecy, where?
Russia: Its Origins and Prophesied Future Where do the Russians come from? What is prophesied for Russia? What will it do to the Europeans that supported the Beast in the end?
Does God Have a 6,000 Year Plan? What Year Does the 6,000 Years End? Was a 6000 year time allowed for humans to rule followed by a literal thousand year reign of Christ on Earth taught by the early Christians? When does the six thousand years of human rule end?
There is a Place of Safety for the Philadelphians. Why it May Be Petra This article discusses a biblical ‘place of safety’ and includes quotes from the Bible and Herbert W. Armstrong on this subject–thus, there is a biblically supported alternative to the rapture theory.
End of Mayan Calendar 2012–Might 2012 Mean Something? There is a Mayan calendar prediction for change in 2012. 2012 changes were also centuries ago predicted by the Hopi Native Americans and the Hindu Indians (who were not even on the same continent). Do these Mayan/Hindu/Hopi prophecies have any value? Why might Satan have inspired this date? Can the great tribulation start before 2012?

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