Italy has a referendum–will it be part of a unified Europe?

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Italians have a major vote on December 4, 2016:

December 3, 2016


With his career on the line, Prime Minister Matteo Renzi made a final appeal to Italians on Friday to support a crucial referendum to change the constitution, saying Italy could become Europe’s strongest nation if it wins.

The vote Sunday “could change the lives of our children,” he told a large rally in his home city of Florence.

“It is not for us, it is not for a political party, it is for them,” he said at the end of a frenetic day of campaigning that included numerous media events and public rallies.

Financial markets and European political leaders fear victory for the opposition “No” camp could trigger political instability and renewed turmoil for Italy’s battered banks, pushing the eurozone toward a fresh crisis.

Renzi has promised to resign if Italians reject his plan to drastically reduce the role of the upper house, or Senate, and claw back powers from regional authorities. The opposition says the reform will reduce vital democratic checks and balances.

Renzi, who has been trying to turn around a plethora of opinion polls showing a lead for “No,” said voting “Yes” would “give Italians the possibility to write a page of history.”

“If ‘Yes’ wins, Italy will become the leader of Europe,” said Renzi, who has pledged to immediately veto the European Union’s budget to force Italy’s partners to give it more help in handling an influx of migrants arriving on its shores.

If Renzi is defeated, he is expected to go to President Sergio Mattarella at the Quirinale Palace, a ritual for a prime minister about to resign. Mattarella might try to persuade him to stay in office to guarantee political stability, officials have said.

Hours before Renzi spoke in Florence, Beppe Grillo, founder of the anti-euro 5-star Movement, which backs a “No” vote, thundered against the political establishment at a rally in the northern industrial city of Turin.

“We are a country that is stuck in the mud,” the former comedian told thousands of people.

‘No’ camp favored

A blackout on the publication of surveys was imposed November 18, but private polls are still being carried out and bookmakers say the “No” camp remains the clear favorite to win.

Economy Minister Pier Carlo Padoan sought to calm nervous markets, saying in a newspaper interview that there was “no risk of a financial earthquake” if “No” won, though there might be “48 hours of turbulence.”

December 3, 2016

This Sunday, December 4th, Italy will hold a constitutional referendum.

And while this isn’t a referendum to remain or leave the European Union, like the United Kingdom’s referendum in June, it still matters. European markets, the future of trade, the economy and global relations all could shift depending on the outcome. …

Italy’s current Prime Minister, Matteo Renzi, has lobbied strongly for a “yes” vote, which would strengthen the central government, while weakening the regional provinces..  The Prime Minister has flip-flopped on his promise resign if voters in the country reject the referendum – but considerable speculation has indicated made Renzi’s exit still a possibility.

A win for the “no” vote would leave the Italian government intact and as it stands now and create an opening for Italy’s opposition party to rise to prominence. …

As was the case post Brexit and Trump’s election win, you could see the market react in knee-jerk fashion to the Italian vote, where Italian government bonds could sell-off in a “No” outcome. Conversely, Italian government bonds could rally upon a “Yes” vote. …

As it stands now most recent polling out of Italy have left us to believe, or at least under the suggestion, that a “no” vote is likely.

Jim Rickards notes that, “What is significant about Italian polls is not just that “no” is in the lead, but also that the vote is trending toward ‘no.’ Such trends dominate any statistical margin of error in predicting outcomes.”

This is NOT like Breixt. It is not a vote to remain in or out of the European Union.

Now, contrary to the position of Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, a yes vote will NOT mean that Italy will lead Europe.

Nor does a no vote mean that Italy will leave the European Union.

See also the following:

December 3, 2016

The vote is also significant because it will serve as a gauge of Italian public opinion more broadly. One of the leading opposition parties, the populist Five Star Movement, is euroskeptical. Renzi’s loss could be Five Star’s gain, throwing Italy’s continued membership in the European Union into doubt — which could translate to increased uncertainty about the viability of the Italian banking sector and the euro overall.

Unlike Britain’s vote earlier this year, Sunday’s vote in Italy isn’t explicitly about EU membership. On paper, a “no” vote will just mean that Italy’s constitution will stay the way it is. But the follow-on effects of a “no” vote could have huge implications for Italian banks, the Italian economy, and perhaps the survival of the euro.

No matter what happens, even if the euro ulitmately does not survive, Italy will be part of the final European Beast power.

That is clear from scripture. Notice, for example, Daniel 9:26-27 which states:

26 And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate (Daniel 9:26-27).

The reference to a “prince” is referring to the leader of the developing European empire (see King of the North and Europa, the Beast, and the Book of Revelation). One way to show this is to realize that it was the people of the Roman Empire of the 1st century that fulfilled the portion of Daniel 9:26 as they destroyed the city (Jerusalem) in 70 A.D. Jewish sources, while not understanding all of this, also agree that it was Roman sources that destroyed the city and sanctuary as the following demonstrates:

“The people of the prince will come and destroy the city and the Sanctuary” Daniel 9:26, refers to the Roman legions of Vespasian and Titus, who destroyed Jerusalem. (Daniel 9 – A True Biblical Interpretation. Jews for Judaism. accessed 07/30/16)

In the 21st century, the European Union includes much of the land and peoples that were part of the ancient Roman Empire–and obviously would have to include Italy.  And it is the “prince” coming from that people that verse 27 of Daniel 9 is referring to.  Another thing to consider is the fact that the “beast of the sea” of Revelation 13:1 fits with the beasts from the “great sea” of Daniel 7:2–and that sea is the Mediterranean Sea according to the Old Testament–a sea that is next to Italy. Hence a power including Italy in Europe is the only region that could have an empire geographically like the old Roman one (for more details, please see Europa, the Beast, and the Book of Revelation).

Notice what one commentator somewhat correctly states (bolding/italics in source):

Shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself (or, and shall have nothing, ASV): and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. It is agreed by almost all evangelical interpreters that these two events, the cutting off of the Messiah (Anointed One) and the destruction of the sanctuary refer to the crucifixion of Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. … The Romans who destroyed Jerusalem (A.D. 70) were his people because they and he belong to the fourth stage (the Roman) of world empire (chs. 2; 7)… (from The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1962 by Moody Press).

Perhaps it should be mentioned that the Catholic ‘doctor’ Jerome reported that the “Roman people were going to demolish the city and sanctuary under Vespasian” (Jerome’ Commentary on Daniel) which happened in 70 A.D.. Thus Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant sources acknowledge that a Roman leader is being discussed in Daniel 9:26-27. Someone with a connection to the Italian peninsula.

The late Herbert W. Armstrong wrote:

The Holy Roman Empire

   Now that’s what we’re expecting next over here in Europe, is that there will be a union of ten … going together in Europe and the Pope at Rome will sit on top of the whole heap. There will be one man over all the governments. There will be a King (or, I don’t know whether you will call him a President, a Prime Minister; whatever term they give him, I don’t know) over each one of the ten …
You see the Bible doesn’t tell us just which… The Bible only tells us there will be ten. And it doesn’t tell us which, and so I can’t know. But now I am beginning to think that the Polish Pope may bring Poland in. And they are having labor trouble right now. It’s in this morning’s newspaper right over here in Paris.
There is going to be another labor trouble in Poland, and as you know Romania is not really very enthusiastic with the Soviet, and neither is Yugoslavia. And I can begin to see some of those nations breaking loose from the Russian orbit and going in … they will go in with France and Germany; and with Spain and Portugal and Italy, and form the ten … with the Roman…and that will be the same territory that was occupied by the old Roman Empire. (Bible Study Date: November 8, 1980)

Rome is the capital of Italy.

Irrespective of what happens in the vote in Italy, Italy will be part of the final European King of the North Beast power.

Since the Brexit and the vote for Donald Trump, many in Europe are calling for more unity within continental Europe. Despite problems (Daniel 2:41-43), Europe will one day reorganize (Revelation 17:12-13) and Italy will be part of it (cf. Revelation 17).

Some items of possibly related interest may include:

Europa, the Beast, and Revelation Where did Europe get its name? What might Europe have to do with the Book of Revelation? What about “the Beast”? Is an emerging European power “the daughter of Babylon”? What is ahead for Europe? Here is a link to a video titled: Can You Prove that the Beast to Come is European?
European Technology and the Beast of Revelation Will the coming European Beast power would use and develop technology that will result in the taking over of the USA and its Anglo-Saxon allies? Is this possible? What does the Bible teach? Here is a related YouTube video: Military Technology and the Beast of Revelation.
Must the Ten Kings of Revelation 17:12 Rule over Ten Currently Existing Nations? Some claim that these passages refer to a gathering of 10 currently existing nations together, while one group teaches that this is referring to 11 nations getting together. Is that what Revelation 17:12-13 refers to? The ramifications of misunderstanding this are enormous. A related sermon is titled Ten Kings of Revelation and the Great Tribulation.
Germany’s Assyrian Roots Throughout History Are the Germanic peoples descended from Asshur of the Bible? Have there been real Christians in Germanic history? What about the “Holy Roman Empire”? There is also a You-Tube video sermon on this titled Germany’s Biblical Origins.
Germany in Biblical Prophecy Does Assyria in the Bible equate to an end time power inhabiting the area of the old Roman Empire? What does prophecy say Germany will do and what does it say will happen to most of the German people? Here are links to two sermon videos Germany in Bible Prophecy and The Rise of the Germanic Beast Power of Prophecy.
Christian Repentance Do you know what repentance is? Is it really necessary for salvation? A related sermon is Confess to God and truly repent.
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USA in Prophecy: The Strongest Fortresses Can you point to scriptures, like Daniel 11:39, that point to the USA in the 21st century? This article does. A related sermon is titled: Do these 7 prophesies point to the end of the USA?
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Who is the King of the North? Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies for the Great Monarch point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11? Is a nuclear attack prophesied to happen to the English-speaking peoples of the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand? When do the 1335 days, 1290 days, and 1260 days (the time, times, and half a time) of Daniel 12 begin? When does the Bible show that economic collapse will affect the United States? In the Spanish language check out ¿Quién es el Rey del Norte? Here is a link to a video titled: The Future King of the North.
Does God Have a 6,000 Year Plan? What Year Does the 6,000 Years End? Was a 6000 year time allowed for humans to rule followed by a literal thousand year reign of Christ on Earth taught by the early Christians? Does God have 7,000 year plan? What year may the six thousand years of human rule end? When will Jesus return? 2023 or 20xx? There is also a video titled The 6000 Year Plan: Is the end of humanity’s reign almost up? Here is a link to the article in Spanish: ¿Tiene Dios un plan de 6,000 años?
When Will the Great Tribulation Begin? 2016, 2017, or 2018? Can the Great Tribulation begin today? What happens before the Great Tribulation in the “beginning of sorrows”? What happens in the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord? Is this the time of the Gentiles? When is the earliest that the Great Tribulation can begin? What is the Day of the Lord? Who are the 144,000? Here is a version of the article in the Spanish language: ¿Puede comenzar la Gran Tribulación en 2016 o 2017? ¿Es el Tiempo de los Gentiles? You can also see the English language sermon videos: The Great Tribulation from the Mount of Olives and Can the Great Tribulation begin before 2020? A shorter video is: Can the Great Tribulation Start in 2016?
World War III: Steps in Progress Are there surprising actions going on now that are leading to WWIII? Might a nuclear attack be expected? Does the Bible promise protection to all or only some Christians? How can you be part of those that will be protected? A related video would be Is World War III About to Begin? Can You Escape?
Forbes’ Brexit Monster is the Beast of Revelation Various ones have been properly convinced that there is a plan for a European superstate. Forbes’ writer Tom Worstall wrote that the Brexit vote was about the United Kingdom “not joining the monster of the European Union to come.” The Bible tells of a Beast monster that will arise in the end times in Europe. Dr. Thiel cites news reports, as well as the Old and New Testaments, to show that the monster many fear will arise in Europe, despite the vote by the British to exit the European Union.
Post Brexit Prophecy On June 23, 2016, the voters of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK) chose to leave the European Union. Now with this BRitish EXIT (Brexit) vote, what is prophesied to happen to the UK? Will the UK do well or be taken over and made slaves? Dr. Thiel explains from biblical prophecies what is ahead for the UK, Europe, and even the USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. This is a video.
Donald Trump in Prophecy Prophecy, Donald Trump? Are there prophecies that Donald Trump may fulfill? Are there any prophecies that he has already helped fulfill? Could a Donald Trump presidency be apocalyptic? A related video is titled: 13 Ways President-Elect Trump is Apocalyptic.

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