Satan’s Plan and how James Malm, David Pack, Ron Weinland, Roderick Meredith, and others have helped promote it

Elijah in the wilderness


Have various leaders and writers associated with the Church of God promoted Satan’s plan?  Has Satan influenced various ones to help fulfill his plan?  How so?

Notice one recent writing from James Malm:

At this point we exclaim how terrible it is to seek out a familiar spirit [demon] about the future or anything else.  Yet we do exactly the same thing in the church of God groups!  What do I mean with the statement?  I mean that whenever we study the teachings of false religions or of worldly men and apply them to keep them, instead of going to the word of God; we are turning our backs on the word of God to consul with familiar spirits [demonic] spirits.

How many of you consult horoscopes in the local papers?  How many COG groups beginning with HWA, turned aside from what Jesus Christ commanded us to preach, in to a worldly business model organization and outreach?  How many organizations use the Roman Catholic Beast government [adopted by HWA after Loma’s death] system for church leadership?

There is even one man who left LCG a year ago who styles hiself a prophet, who voraciously seeks out and studies the prophecies of every false religion that he can find, in order to find support for his own false prophecies.

Do we not realize that learning false doctrine and prophecy to follow it, is turning our backs on the word of God to embrace the ways of the enemy of God? (Posted 01/18/14)

James Malm was referring to me, Bob Thiel, above, despite my condemnations of various false predictions, including astrology (see The Bible and Astrology).

James Malm is promoting Satan’s plan in several ways.  First of all, I do not seek out false prophecies to find support for my supposed false prophecies, thus he is bearing false witness.  And he should know that, but does not seem to care how he tries to ‘spin’ my writings.

Additionally, perhaps I should point out that James Malm himself essentially insisted that the Great Tribulation had to begin in 2008 or 2009, and I denounced him (see James Malm Challenges COGwriter) for that and was right.  Furthermore, he has claimed that the Great Tribulation could start in pretty much every year since that time.  I have boldly claimed it could not, and of course, have been right every time (see When Will the Great Tribulation Begin?).

He, and others, who insist I misuse non-biblical prophecies simply do not understand who the old Radio Church of God taught them, which is the same way I do (see Hill DJ.  Christ or Antichrist.  Good News magazine, Radio Church of God, April 1961; also see the article Satan’s Plan).

Furthermore, I, in advance also denounced false prophecies and predictions from Ronald Weinland and David Pack in 2013 and at other times.  And was also right about them.  Partially, because of how absurd Ronald Weinland, David Pack, and certain other leaders that have claimed to be in the COG have been, many true Christians have distanced themselves from any leader who truly have been ordained by God to have a prophetic gift.

Should my denouncing of James Malm’s Ronald Weinland’s, and David Pack’s false predictions be considered me studying “the prophecies of every false religion” that I “can find, in order to find support for…false prophecies?”

Well, James Malm’s writings suggest that is so.  He errs not knowing the scriptures or the power of God (cf. Mark 12:24) as did religious leaders in Jesus’ day.  I also have not made any false actual prophecies–and he and any truly interested in the truth should realize that.

Jesus, Jeremiah, Paul, and others denounced false prophets and false understandings of prophecies.  So do I.

Notice also the following from the prophet Micaiah:

19 Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?’ So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.”  (1 Kings 22:19-23)

Notice that God’s prophet specifically explained how a lying prophecy was going to be successful.  When it comes to Catholic,  Eastern Orthodox, Hindu, and Chinese prophecies, I have done the same thing.  I have also striven to follow the Apostle Paul who claimed that he tried different cultural approaches (including referring to improper religious beliefs, Acts 19:22-31) to try to reach who he could (cf.1 Corinthians 9:19-22), and that he did that “for the gospel’s sake” (1 Corinthians 9:23)

The Bible is clear that people will be deceived (Matthew 24:24; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12) and following false prophets (Revelation 13) and believing “doctrines of demons” (1 Timothy 4:1) will be factors.  But the most faithful Christians are not to be ignorant of Satan’s devices (2 Corinthians 2:11).

Apparently James Malm and other critics of mine believe that Philadelphia Christians should be ignorant as various ones, including Roderick Meredith, have publicly criticized me for this.  An odd thing about those two, however, is that they both have referred to non-biblical prophecies, yet have condemned me for that.

Do they not care that Jesus condemned the Pharisees for their hypocrisy?  James Malm, Roderick Meredith, and others have been hypocritical here of their improper condemnations of me.

Now how do all these leaders assist Satan’s plan?

  1. Each of these leaders has made false statements that they have not repented of.
  2. Various ones have believed these false statements.
  3. All of those leaders have condemned me, despite my reporting of the truth.
  4. Because of this, many have decided it is ‘safer’ not to believe that God could use myself or anyone else in the role of a prophet in the end times.
  5. This results in more and more become Laodicean, thus affecting the Philadelphia work.

I have long had an article titled Why Be Concerned About False and Heretical Leaders?  There are many, many, other COG leaders that also are assisting getting Christians to not truly support the final phase of the work, but I will not take the time to go through all of them here, though there are articles about many claimed COG groups at the COGlinks page.

These leaders/writers are misleading others.  Most, whether they have been directly or indirectly affected by leaders like them, will justify in their minds that they do not have to believe what I say or do as I believe the Bible advocates that they should.

Notice that Jesus had the same problem:

43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.  44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.  45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.  46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?  (John 8:43-46)

None have convicted me of sin, though people like James Malm, Roderick Meredith, and David Pack have falsely accused me (Ronald Weinland has as well, but his references were a bit more subtle).

Using lies, false prophecies, and character assassination have long been part of Satan’s plan to stop people from listening to God’s prophets throughout history.

Satan uses both the bold and the subtle approach, and the subtle approach has been accepted by many in this age.  Jesus essentially warned the Laodiceans this would happen as most true Christians would not really want to repent and believe the truth (Revelation 3:14-23).

Satan’s is a liar and the father of lies and many, sadly, have been deceived.  But you, if you truly are willing to believe the truth, do not have to be.  Do not fall to any part of Satan’s plan.

Some items of possibly related interest may include:

Satan’s Plan Does Satan have a plan? What is it? Has it already been successful? Will it be successful in the future? Here is a link to a related video: Satan’s Plan A Brief Introduction.
How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God There are many false prophets, yet many overlook what the Bible teaches about how to recognize a true one. How can Christians determine who is a true prophet? This article contains a scripture-based checklist to assist with this determination.
How to determine if someone is a true prophet of God This is a sermon on YouTube addressing a subject that most in the Church of God do not seem to have looked into very much. It discusses scriptures and dispels some improper assertions that some associated with the COG have made about prophets in this time.
Elijah: Past and Prophesied Information about the original Elijah and some information about the Elijah-related prophecies.
The Elijah Heresies Does the Bible teach that there will be a future Elijah? Must it be Herbert W. Armstrong?
Error-Ridden James Malm Not Doing an Elijah Work James Malm is an ‘independent’ who misunderstands and improperly maligns.
Concerns About Ronald Weinland’s Church of God-Preparing for the Kingdom of God Ronald Weinland falsely claimed to be one of the two witnesses God is raising up, that the Great Tribulation began on December 14, 2008, Jesus would return late September 2011, that Jesus would return on May 27, 2012, and that Jesus would return on May 19, 2013. Why else does the Bible show that Ron Weinland is a false prophet? He has other views which show he is not part of the Church of God?
Why Not the Restored Church of God? This group, led by David Pack, claims to be the most faithful. The information in this article suggests otherwise. Here is a version in the Spanish language: ¿Por qué no la Iglesia de Dios Restaurada?
Why Bob Thiel Left the Living Church of God Several have speculated reasons, but here is the truth. (En el idioma español: ¿Por qué Bob Thiel dejó la Iglesia del Dios Viviente?)
Journal Report on Continuing Church of God Leader Bob Thiel Bob Thiel was interviewed by The Journal News of the Churches of God related to him being a prophet, the proclamation goals of the Continuing Church of God, and why he left LCG.
Response to a Letter from Dr. Roderick C. Meredith Dated December 28, 2012 In violation of Matthew 18, Dr. Meredith publicly sent out a letter that forced Dr. Thiel to conclude that the Continuing Church of God must be formed. Here is that letter and some of Bob Thiel’s comments about it. Here is a version in the Spanish language Respuesta a una carta del Dr. Roderick C. Meredith fechada el 28 de diciembre, 2012.
What About the Living Church of God? Are there Doctrinal Differences with the Continuing Church of God? This article explains some information and doctrines of the Living Church of God as led by Roderick C. Meredith and some concerns about them. (En el idioma español: ¿Qué hay acerca de la Iglesia de Dios Viviente? ¿Hay diferencias doctrinales con la Continuación de la Iglesia de Dios?)
Why Be Concerned About False and Heretical Leaders? There have been many false leaders–here is some of why you should be concerned about them.
Who Are The Two Witnesses? What is their job? What does the Bible reveal? What has the Church of God taught on this subject? Might even Roman Catholic prophecies give some clues here?
The Final Phase of the Work What is the final phase of the work? Who will lead it? Do you have the courage to support it? Here is a related YouTube video titled The Final Phase of the Work. The written article has been translated into Spanish La Fase Final de la Obra.
The Philadelphia Church Era was predominant circa 1933 A.D. to 1986 A.D. The old Radio Church of God and old Worldwide Church of God, now basically the most faithful in the Church of God, like who hold to the beliefs and practices of the Continuing Church of God.
Continuing Church of God The group striving to be most faithful amongst all real Christian groups to the word of God. To see how CCOG has done so far, here is a sermon Continuing Church of God (CCOG) first year anniversary: What has been accomplished? Here is a written link to a version of that sermon in the Spanish language: Aniversario del primer año de la Continuación de la Iglesia de Dios: ¿Qué se ha cumplido?
CCOG.ASIA We in the Continuing Church of God also have the url which has a focus on Asia and has various articles in Mandarin Chinese as well as some in English, plus some items in other Asian languages. 我们在继续神的教会也提供此网址, 关注于亚洲并且有各种各样的中英文文章,其中一些用菲律宾语翻译的文章也正在进行中,准备添加到这个网站中。
CCOG.IN This is a website targeted towards those of Indian heritage. It has a link to an edited Hindi translation of The Mystery of the Ages and is expected to have more non-English language materials in the future.
CCOG.EU This is a website targeted toward Europe. It has materials in more than one language (currently it has English, Dutch, and Serbian, with links also to Spanish) and it is intended to have additional language materials added.
CDLIDD.ES La Continuación de la Iglesia de Dios. This is the Spanish language website for the Continuing Church of God.
PNIND.PH Patuloy na Iglesya ng Diyos. This is the Philippines website Continuing Church of God. It has information in English and Tagalog.
Paglalahad ng Mga Paniniwala ng Patuloy na Iglesya ng Diyos This is the Statement of Beliefs of the Continuing Church of God in Tagalog, the primary language of the Philippines. Here is a link to the first Tagalog edition of the Bible News Prophecy magazine: MGA BALITA NG PROPESIYA NG BIBLIYA January-March 2013 edition.

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