Herr Guttenberg still has issues with Donald Trump, but has ended his ‘exile’ in the USA

Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg (photo by Michael Lucan)


In December 2015, former German Defense Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg called Donald Trump “that blonde lunatic named Donald” (Guttenberg KT. Wish List or Reality? Digital Trends in 2016 | Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg | hub conference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgdZUA96UBU. Posted December 11, 2015).

The Hub Conference claimed that it “brings pioneers and champions of the digital future” together. My comments about it and to hear what Baron Guttenberg had to say are in the video: Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg and Europe’s Future.

In 2017, Herr Guttenberg urged Germany to do more because of the rise of Donald Trump:

Former Defense Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg has called on Germany to become more self-assertive with Donald Trump, a president who he believes may well bring about an era of “erratic” politics. …

former German Defense Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg has called on Berlin to ditch what he called its “passive, wait-and-see” attitude towards the United States and nurture “a culture of responsibility” instead.

In a guest column in German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, published Friday, the former conservative politician said Mr. Trump’s rise was a time for the German government to “be prepared to do more.” 01/20/17 https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/time-for-tough-talk-with-trump-687154

Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg was interviewed on Fox Business Network’s Mornings with Maria in May 2017, about Donald Trump’s plans to pull out of the Paris climate agreement, he stated:

I think this will weaken the US’s position on the international stage. I think the reaction will be harsh on the other side of the Atlantic. And I fear that might zero into further tensions into other topics. http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/exiting-paris-agreement-will-weaken-us-kt-zu-guttenberg/vp-BBBJzIO

Many in Europe agree with Herr Guttenberg’s assessment of Donald Trump.

This Summer, Herr Guttenberg told CNBC some of his views of Donald Trump and Germany:

Trump has repeatedly called on NATO allies like Germany to increase contributions toward defense, often criticizing them for not complying with a commitment to spend 2% of their gross domestic product (GDP). But Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, the former German defense minister, doubted whether Germany would ever reach that target.

“Will Donald Trump ever be happy? Probably not, even if they come to these numbers, which I think is more or less impossible, he will just find the next thing to throw at Germany, or not even at Germany, whomever pleases him at that very moment,” he told CNBC’s Geoff Cutmore in Salzburg, Austria.

The relationship between the United States and Germany has been somewhat tense since Trump took over at the White House, especially in areas such as trade and foreign relations …

“It is rather dangerous,” zu Guttenberg told CNBC about the situation. “I don’t expect anyone stepping deliberately into a war. I talk to many stakeholders in the U.S. political spectrum and everyone says even Donald Trump — who is always good for a surprise at that’s the mildest phrase I can find for his political acting — doesn’t have an interest at all to ruin his re-election chances for next year by waging a war against Iran. On the other hand, talking to stakeholders from the region over there, they are afraid, and they say we have never been as close to war as right now,” zu Guttenberg, who also served as German economy minister, said.

“We are now at a threshold, if we have an accident, just an accident, it could ignite (tensions) even more right away and the one thing that worries me the most (is) we have never been as disunited in the so-called Western part of the group of six,” he added. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/26/ex-german-defense-chief-questions-calls-for-increased-nato-spend.html

So, Baron Guttenberg has concluded that it is impossible to please US President Donald Trump and that he will always be against Germany.

Since Herr Guttenberg is pro-Germany, his conclusion will influence his attitude towards the USA.

Received the following in an email from a reader:

Hello Dr. Bob,

I just wanted to let you know that KT zu Guttenberg has left the U.S. and is now back living in Germany in Lower Saxony.

Seems the exile has finished and he is now better positioned back in Germany to rise up when the time finally comes if he is the one.


The above link was in the German language. The following is a machine-translation of portions of it:

Karl-Theodor Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg gave around 160 members and guests an informative and extremely lively lecture on the subject: “Transatlantic relationship or confiscation” … New residence of KT Freiherr zu Guttenberg, his wife Stephanie and their two daughters (18 and 17) is Lower Saxony, near Osnabrück. There the reitersportbegeisterte family lives on a yard with stables for the horses. “My wife and children wanted to go back to Germany after almost eight years in the US,” said the Freiherr, who has his professional sphere as a speaker and consultant continues in the US.

So, Herr Guttenberg is back in Germany having ended his nearly 8 year exile in the USA.

As far as exile goes, notice a couple of Catholic predictions related to someone who returns after a long period of exile:

Abbot Joachim (died 1202): At that time a handsome monarch, a scion of King Pepin, will come as a pilgrim to witness the splendor of this glorious pontiff, whose name shall begin with R (Culleton, The Prophets and Our Times, pp. 147-148).

Josefa von Bourg (d. 1807): God will choose a descendant of Constantine, Pepin, and St. Louis, who has been tried by a long period of exile to rule over Europe. He will have the sign of the cross on his breast…Under him the Catholic religion will spread as never before (Culleton, The Prophets and Our Times, pp. 181-182; Connor, p.37).

Note: Although not commonly used in modern English, “scion” means “descendant.” It has been claimed that the Habsburg line descended from Charlemagne, and King Pepin was the father of Charlemagne. Many of the prophecies suggest that the Great Monarch is French in some manner (see also The Great Monarch: Biblical and Catholic Prophecies). But the Baron, while partially of Frankish descent, is considered to be German–so he fits or does not fit depending upon how many of the prophecies are analyzed.

The Bible itself warns that a “prince” (Daniel 9:26-27) will become the “King of the North” (Daniel 11:31-40). So, since the Baron is a Habsburg descendant, he could well be considered as a prince, in a sense (but he is not generally officially considered to be royalty like a prince would be). And perhaps, he will only remain a prince. While is is not ruling over Europe at this time, he is influential there and seems to be taking steps related to European politics. He may well rise much further in time, with just a small number of supporters initially (cf. Daniel 11:23).

In early 2010, I wrote:

As far as being exiled goes, the Baron is not always popular, and he may become unpopular for a time.

That happened! In 2011, he actually resigned as Defense Minister because of a plagiarism issue (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704506004576173970765020528.html) and came to the USA to reside. So, in a sense he was exiled, and the fact that he left Europe for a while is of interest.

And while I believe that I am the first person in the world to ever write that Baron Guttenberg may end up in exile (before he exiled himself), after I wrote that the German press starting saying that he was in exile during his USA residence:

Nun, nach der Plagiatsaffäre um seine Dissertation und seinen Gang ins amerikanische Exil, setzt sich das Rätselraten fort. Er meldet sich aus Übersee zurück, deutet ein Comeback an…
(TV-Kolumne: „Maybrit Illner“: Das Guttenberg-Rätsel – weiter lesen auf FOCUS Online: http://www.focus.de/kultur/kino_tv/focus-fernsehclub/tv-kolumne-maybrit-illner-das-guttenberg-raetsel_aid_687881.html)

Now, after the plagiarism scandal surrounding his dissertation and his walk into exile in America, continues the guesswork. He is back from overseas, hints at a comeback…
(TV-Kolumne: „Maybrit Illner“: Das Guttenberg-Rätsel – weiter lesen auf FOCUS Online: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c Machine-translatexiled into English by Google, 12/02/11)

Even Herr Guttenberg referred to his time in the USA as exile in December 2015 (Guttenberg KT. Wish List or Reality? Digital Trends in 2016 | Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg | hub conference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgdZUA96UBU. Posted December 11, 2015).

Consider that even the problems Karl zu Guttenberg had seem consistent with Daniel 11:21. Here are three translations of that:

21 And there shall stand up in his place one despised, and the kingly honour shall not be given him: and he shall come privately, and shall obtain the kingdom by fraud. (Daniel 11:21, Douay-Rheims)

21 “‘His place will be taken by a reject, a man spurned and passed over for advancement. He’ll surprise everyone, seemingly coming out of nowhere, and will seize the kingdom. (Daniel 11:21 from THE MESSAGE: The Bible in Contemporary Language © 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson. All rights reserved.)

21 And in his place shall stand up a contemptible person, to whom they had not given the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in time of security, and shall obtain the kingdom by flatteries. (Daniel 11:21, ASV)

Interestingly, the Baron was considered to have had a major chance to become Chancellor of Germany before the plagiarism scandal. In a sense, he was “a man spurned and passed over for advancement” as THE MESSAGE version of Daniel 11:21 indicates.

Notice also the following prophecy of the Great Monarch:

Anonymou Paraphrasis (10th century): Men though of him that he is a nobody and useful for nothing. (Tzima Otto, p. 32)

Many wrote Baron Guttenberg off.

Also interestingly, even though many have rejected, ridiculed, and despised him for plagiarism, after the Baron resigned, some (and this was alluded to earlier) have suggested that he should rise up again as Germany needs him:

“I hope that we keep him as a politician and see his return as soon as possible,” Hans-Peter Uhl, the domestic affairs spokesperson of the conservative Union bloc in parliament, said in the Wednesday edition of the daily Mitteldeutsche Zeitung

Peter Altmaier, parliamentary chief of the Union bloc, also said he can imagine Guttenberg returning to politics in the foreseeable future.

According to political scientist Gerd Langguth from the University of Bonn, Guttenberg will not likely stay out of the public eye for long. He told the Wednesday edition of the Thüringer Allgemeine newspaper that he sees a comeback in about three years…Langguth said Guttenberg’s “honorable statements” on Tuesday had made such a return feasible. (Talk begins about a Guttenberg comeback. The Local, 3 March 2011. http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20110302-33437.html)

Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, Germany’s Defense Minister, resigned Tuesday amid pressures related to plagiarism in his doctoral dissertation. Apparently, more than 20% of his dissertation was copied without attribution. Mr. zu Guttenberg was one politician whom many Germans still trusted. The scandal has changed that view for many.

Mr. zu Guttenberg is considered by many as “Germany’s most promising politician.” Although Chancellor Merkel tried to protect him, his action of essentially “lying” in an academic setting is forcing people to question his integrity in other areas and responsibilities. Thousands of graduate students across Germany also wrote an open letter to Mrs. Merkel calling for zu Guttenberg to step down.

An article describing the scandal ended with the observation: “As for Mr. zu Guttenberg himself, it would be unwise to write him off. By stepping down now, he hopes to preserve much of the goodwill he has accumulated over the past few years. His resignation may be a prelude to resurrection rather than the end of a brilliant career” (The Economist, March 1, 2011).

Even though plagiarism appears to be a “minor” sin in relation to other horrendous abuses by public officials, it breaks the 8th and 9th commandments and results in consequences. Mr. zu Guttenberg may reemerge in politics in the future (and this bears watching), yet his actions and their ramifications reinforce the biblical principle, “be sure your sin will find you out” (Numbers 32:23). (TW News & Prophecy, LCG, March 4, 2011).

Could Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg make a comeback? Perhaps if he does a stint in the European Parliament first, as some suggest. It is unlikely, however, that he could ever be chancellor—Germans do not take lightly to academic fraud. Guttenberg is still popular, however. There is a Facebook fan page entitled “Against Going After Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg” which boasts more than 400,000 fans. (Alles (not) in Ordnung Weekly Standard, Washington DC – April 4, 2011 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/alles-not-ordnung_556221.html)

According to a latest poll by German public television ARD, some 72 percent of respondents thought Guttenberg should make a comeback in the future. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-03/03/c_13758223.htm

Whether his political career can rebound from the plagiarism scandal remains debatable. The embarrassing affair has destroyed his credibility, but some German political experts argue that after time spent in the political wilderness as penance, Mr Guttenberg could try and revive his political career, and certainly age is on his side. May 9, 2011. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8503065/Karl-Theodor-zu-Guttenberg-A-profile.html

Let me add here that since Herr Guttenberg’s plagiarism scandal, several other German political leaders have been found to have some plagiarism issues associated with their own doctoral studies (German Plagiarism and Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg). Thus, if this matter is seen as relatively common, this may well help people to overlook it.

Orthodox prophecy indicates that the Great Monarch (who sound a lot like the European Beast power also known as the King of the North) will re-enter the political realm:

Anonymou Paraphrasis (10th century): And the (Guardian Angel will say to him further: come forth from your hiding place, do not hide yourself any longer, many are looking for you [or, are searching for you, are demanding to see you, asking for you]; everybody will exit and only you, alone, will enter. (Tzima Otto, p. 31)

Since writing back in March 2011 that Karl Guttenberg may re-emerge in the political arena, it has begun to happen, though basically on the sidelines.

As regular readers of this COGwriter Church of God News page are aware, I have been covering Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg since late 2009 (see also Might German Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg become the King of the North?).

He is a charismatic leader that yields a lot of influence in Germany, and also some in the European Union.

He is one to watch as he could be a factor in the rise of the European King of the North Beast power, even if he is not that individual himself.

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