Gary Leonard at ‘Banned by HWA’ continues to lie consistent with Satan’s and Joseph Goebbels’ tactics
Monday, June 9th, 2025Jesus taught:
43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God. (John 8:43-47)
Well, some of Satan’s allies at Banned by HWA continue to post lies about me and others in the Continuing Church of God (CCOG).
Here is some of what was posted yesterday by Gary Leonard at Banned:
Look at what your rebellion and refusal to submit to church government caused when you apostasized from the Living Church of God. Your traitorous, backstabbing actions and lies were appalling. It is no wonder Rod Meredith kicked you to the curb! Heck, even Gaylyn Bonjour came out and said you were wrong in taking his blessing as justification for starting a new splinter group. https://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2025/06/crackpot-prophet-says-true-education.html accessed 06/09/25
That is a lie, I was never kicked out of LCG, nor did I apostatize. And, I spoke to Gaylyn Bonjour myself many times and that is not what he said to me.
Gary Leonard, webmaster at the Banned site, has been spreading those lies about me for many years.
Jesus prophesied:
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you (Matthew 5:10-12)
Certain ones at Banned and various other places have regularly been fulfilling that prophecy and saying all kinds of things falsely against me, the CCOG, and others in various COGs.
One thing that many people at Banned and the other anti-COG sites cannot stand is the idea that the true ministry is not in it for the money. Many who became bitter against the WCG have asserted that the ministry is only in it for the money. Certain ones have claimed that the COG ministry lives exceedingly well off the backs of the tithe-payers. Yet I do not, as my income does NOT come from the CCOG nor those who donate to it.
The fact that my wife and I do not take a salary from CCOG grates on certain critics as it is opposed to the lying narrative they wish to believe.
Consider that while the Bible shows that commandment keepers are to be rewarded, scripture warns about those who believe and love lies:
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. (Revelation 22:14-15)
As far as lies go, consider the following:
A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a propaganda technique and logical trick (fallacy). The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”. …
Various sources, both popular and scholarly, attribute the following passage to Goebbels. However, it is not currently known which piece of writing this is attributed to and when it was written, or if it even was Goebbels who authored it:
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
(Big Lie. Wikipedia, accessed 12/06/19)
Satan’s minions have long followed Joseph Goebbels’ playbook on this–and, of course, did so well before Joseph Goebbels was ever born (cf. John 8:43-47).
Sadly, many have accepted lies promoted by people on the anti-COG websites.
While I have not responded to most of the falsehoods and accusations they continue to post about CCOG and me, sometimes I do.
Gary Leonard, the webmaster of the anti-COG Banned by HWA site has a history of libeling me and make false assertions about me.
For example, in June 2020 he posted:
Meredith publicly rebuked Thiel from the pulpit and kicked him out of the church (Leonard G. Why do COG members still feel the need that they still have to go to the ministers for answers? June 19, 2020)
That was about the third time in three weeks in 2020 that he had some version of that lie at his website–and his site has had versions of it since.
Of course, all the top leadership of the Living Church of God know full well I was not kicked out. I left because the leadership had serious integrity problems and refused to keep promises that they repeatedly made to me (see also Why Bob Thiel Left the Living Church of God).
Gary Leonard cannot get over the fact that it was I who “kicked out” LCG on December 28, 2012, not the other way around. If he and others at his libelous site would stop repeating the lie I was kicked out of LCG, I would not feel the desire to sometimes comment about it.
Perhaps it should be mentioned that right after I left, even Jim Meredith (son of Dr. Meredith) emailed me and asked me to reconsider and come back. I declined.
Furthermore, some may be interested to know that on February 20, 2013, less then two months after CCOG was declared, Dr. Meredith sent me an email asking if I would come back. My response, which I sent on 2/21/13, included the following:
Dear Dr. Meredith:
Good morning. …
On 12/28/12, after receiving your email to me, I telephoned Dr. Fall, discussed your email with him, and then told him that morally I could no longer have affiliation with the Living Church of God. I then sent you an email where I clearly stated to you that I was no longer with LCG. …
As far as me and the Living Church of God, there would have to be major specific changes for me to be able to come back. At this stage, without changes, I do not believe that LCG can possibly be the group that God will use to complete the final phase of the work. I have totally committed myself to support the Philadelphian end time work of God, which is why, to a great degree because of steps you did and did not take, the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) had to be formed.
You may be interested to know that I did not want to be in the position that I am now in. …
My attempts in 2012 to prevent the current situation were not properly reciprocated by you. Anyway, I continue to pray for you, your wife, and others in LCG pretty much daily.
Sincerely,
Bob Thiel
Dr. Meredith did not respond to my response to him. The changes needed were not made, so there was no point in going back. (Because of promises I made to two LCG leaders, I have not posted Dr. Meredith’s 2/20/13 email itself.)
Anyway, LCG is not leading the final phase of the work nor do not I consider that it is Philadelphian (though LCG, like some other COGs, likely has some Philadelphians in its midst) nor could it hold the Philadelphia mantle (see Herbert W. Armstrong, the Philadelphia Church, & the Mantle).
I WAS NEVER KICKED OUT OF LCG. Nor, let me add, did LCG ever mark or disfellowship me.
Gary Leonard also has posted nonsense from a deceased anti-COG writer casting aspersions on my education. For those interested in the truth, see my response: Banned, Ambassador Watch, Living University, and my Ph.D. and Th.D.
Notice another lie Gary Leonard posted about me in June 2017:
Thiel deliberately conned Gaylyn Bonjour into giving him a blessing.
That is in another lie.
I never “conned” Gaylyn Bonjour. Nor did I ask for anything like being anointed for a double-portion of God’s spirit.
Here is a short version for what happened: In November 2011, both LCG minister Dr. Jeff Fall and LCG minister Gary Ehman told me that I did NOT need to have hands laid upon me in order to be a true prophet of God. Yet, I told them that something like that needed to happen for me to accept it. And in November/December 2011, I prayed that if I truly had a prophetic role from God that He would have something happen during a planned mid-December 2011 trip to Charlotte, North Carolina to confirm it or deny it if that were His will. As it turned out, on 12/15/2011 hands were laid upon me in Charlotte by LCG minister Gaylyn Bonjour, who I had not even intended to see then (I had asked to see Gary Ehman, but as it turned out, he was not in the Charlotte office due to an unexpected illness). After seeing Gaylyn Bonjour mentioning some health issues and wisdom, he laid hands on me, and specifically prayed that I would be granted a “double-portion” of God’s Holy Spirit, and he anointed me with oil. Afterwards, Gaylyn told me that he had not ever requested a “double portion’ of God’s Spirit before on anyone, but he felt that it was reminiscent of the time that the prophetic and ecclesiastical leadership mantle passed from the Prophet Elijah to Elisha (2 Kings 2:9-13). Gaylyn Bonjour had been unaware that I had prayed that God would have me anointed or somehow identified for a prophetic role on that mid-December 2011 trip if that were His plan for me and I had never discussed my possible prophetic role with him prior to this anointing. On 12/18/12, I asked Gaylyn Bonjour if he knew what he may have unintentionally done and he said yes. This 12/15/11 anointing appears to be the first biblically-appropriate prophetic anointing in the Church of God in many decades, if not many, many multiple centuries. And the legitimacy of this anointing has been proven by subsequent events–though many do not seem to understand how God works at times (see also Does the CCOG have the confirmed signs of Acts 2:17-18?).
As it also turned out, I tried to meet with Dr. Meredith on December 19, 2011 to tell him that it seemed God was telling me that his wife was about to be struck with something serious. A few weeks later (per Dr. Meredith’s letter dated 1/12/12), Dr. Meredith reported that his wife (who was much younger than he) was stricken with stage four cancer (she later died on November 29, 2013). That prediction was not the result of analytical skills on my behalf, but I believe were insights from God’s Spirit.
In my view, the unexpected ‘double-portion anointing, Gaylyn Bonjour’s comments about the mantle passing, and my feeling led to tell of something about to hit Sheryl Meredith, were the result of God answering my prayers in November/December 2011 that the prophet matter would be confirmed or denied in Charlotte with my December 2011 trip. Essentially, this was THREE confirmations.
Let this be clear, I was absolutely anointed, had hands laid over me, and the LCG minister who did so prayed that I would receive a ‘double-portion’ of God’s Holy Spirit, and afterwards that same minister (Gaylyn Bonjour) stated that this was reminiscent of the mantle passing from Elijah to Elisha (Gaylyn Bonjour also brought up the passing of the mantle related to this when we spoke on March 23, 2012). The fact that he did not originally intend to pray that I receive a ‘double-portion’ of God’s Holy Spirit is of no consequence, as the Bible shows that although Isaac had not intended to provide certain blessings to Jacob, once Isaac laid hands upon Jacob and gave the prayer, the anointed blessing would remain according to the Bible (Genesis 27)–and Gaylyn Bonjour concurs with this. Let it be noted that unlike Jacob, I did not employ any deceit in the anointing.
Furthermore, understand that I believe that I do have the appropriate prophetic fruits that Jesus discussed (Matthew 7:15-20) and that those truly interested in the truth can see this if they truly wish to prayfully look into this. Perhaps it should be mentioned that while some question my ordination, others have also had concerns about God’s anointing and ordinations (2 Kings 9:1-11; Jeremiah 43:2; Genesis 27:26-37). God does not always do things the way humans think He does (cf. Isaiah 55:8-9).
Gary Leonard does not want to accept that I have the fruits of a prophet and meet the biblical (see How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God) and COG criteria for that (Church of God Leaders on Prophets; see also Does the CCOG have the confirmed signs of Acts 2:17-18?).
As far as Gaylyn Bojour goes, I kept in contact with him over the years until he died and spent several hours with him in North Carolina on November 28, 2019.
Gaylyn said then that he tells those who ask that he says:
I have known Bob Thiel since 1986. He has always been honest, dedicated, and sincere.
And that includes what I have written about him and the prophet matter.
Anyway, no, Gaylyn Bonjour did NOT believe he was conned by me. He believed that he prayed and laid hands on me, and anointed me with oil, and, as he told me on November 28, 2019, he believed God answered his anointing prayer for me.
Sadly, Gary Leonard and many other opponents do not care about the truth and think that they are getting away with their lies and falsehoods.
Yet scripture says, “be sure your sin will find you out” (Numbers 32:23).
The Book of Proverbs teaches:
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest you also be like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
Lest he be wise in his own eyes. (Proverbs 26:4-5)
16 The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason. (Proverbs 26:16, KJV)
Because of Proverbs 26:4, I do not respond to most of the lies and false accusations at the Banned By HWA site, but because of Proverbs 26:5, I sometimes will.
Now, notice something else that Gary Leonard posted back on December 1, 2019:
I can again state for a FACT that God did NOT send dreams to Bwana Bob Thiel or anyone else associated with his personality cult. … there is absolutely NO REASON anyone ever gave them credibility.
Of course, there is no FACT or proof Gary Leonard provided for his opinionated and wrong rant. Do YOU believe God uses dreams?
YOU SHOULD–see also Dreams, the Bible, the Radio Church of God, and the Continuing Church of God.
Consider also that Jesus said:
11 Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5:11-12)
So yes, Gary Leonard, Jesus said I am blessed when you post all kinds of insults, evil, and false things about me. Jesus knew His faithful people would be lied about.
Gary Leonard seem to like to also falsely post that I have not made predictions that come to pass (e.g. see Has Bob Thiel been prophetically wrong for the past 12 years as reported by Gary Leonard of ‘Banned by HWA’?).
Now, before going further, while I normally do not look at the comments at the Banned by HWA website, notice an accurate one:
Bob’s predictions have been accurate, so far.
The above commenter was right about that.
Consider also that back in 2013, I wrote that Russia would end up with at least some territory of Ukraine, that happened in 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea–and Russia did not give it back despite sanctions, like some hoped in 2019.
On January 28, 2020, someone who calls himself “Tonto” posted posted the following related to me and the coronavirus at the anti-COG site Banned by HWA :
Tonto said…
- If Thiel was such a great prophet, then why didn’t he specifically and directly warn the world about this coronavirus several weeks ago?
The next day, I responded with:
Actually, I specifically warned about risks associated with the coronavirus in 2013 (see Coronavirus: A new risk for humans? and Saudi Arabia warning visitors to Mecca about coronavirus risk) and 2014 (see Saudi Arabia, MERS, and Missiles and Infection-gate: A dangerous scandal hitting the USA?). Additionally, I have also warned also about human engineered pathogens without mentioning the coronavirus in 2018 (see DARPA to weaponize insects to spread viruses across the population… sinister plans exposed by team of scientists) and 2019 (see DARPA: ‘Militarized Microbes’ To Spread GMO Bacteria). Humans messing around with viruses, like what was being officially done in Wuhan, poses risks. And I have warned about those risks, including research involving the coronavirus for years.
Pretty much every day, I pray and ask God to assist me choosing topics to write about. And a few times in the past, that has specifically included the coronavirus.
On February 22, 2022, two days before Russia’s ‘special military operation’ into Ukraine began, I posted:
I expect that Donetsk and Luhansk will either be annexed by Russia and/or join its Eurasian Economic Union.
On September 30, 2022, Russia formally annexed Donetsk and Luhansk. You can see more in the article Does the CCOG have the confirmed signs of Acts 2:17-18?
Of course, many simply do not believe that God’s Holy Spirit works as prophesied–but they should (watch also 7 Last Days’ Signs of the Holy Spirit).
The Book of Proverbs warns about such people:
16 The lazy man is wiser in his own eyes Than seven men who can answer sensibly. (Proverbs 26:16)
As Gary Leonard could be aware, there are more than seven associated with the Continuing Church of God that have reported that they had confirmed dreams (see Dreams, the Bible, the Radio Church of God, and the Continuing Church of God).
The biblical fact, the Apostle Peter was inspired to speak in Acts 2:17-18, is that dreams and prophets were prophesied in the New Testament for the last days! See also: Does the CCOG have the confirmed signs of Acts 2:17-18?
Which is more sensible? The truth from actual Christian Church of God members or rants and lies?
Do not simply accept nonsense and other anti-CCOG statements posted at places like the Banned by HWA webmaster.
Be wise and accept the truth.
Some items of perhaps related interest include:
Banned by HWA and Ambassador Watch There are various ones that oppose the Church of God, but they will not prevail (Matthew 16:18).
Why Be Concerned About False and Heretical Leaders? There have been many false leaders–here is some of why you should be concerned about them. Here is a related article in the Spanish language ¿Por qué estar preocupado acerca de falsos y heréticos líderes?
Does the CCOG have the confirmed signs of Acts 2:17-18? Does any church have the confirmed dream and prophetic signs of Acts 2:17-18? Should one? Here is a link in the Spanish language: ¿Tiene la CCOG confirmadas las señales de Hechos 2: 17-18? Here is a link in the French language: Est-ce que l’Église Continue de Dieu confirme les signes d’Actes 2:17-18? A related sermon in the English language is also available: 17 Last Days’ Signs of the Holy Spirit.
Church of God Leaders on Prophets Have there been prophets throughout the church age? Are any supposed to be around in the last days? What have COG leaders stated or written about prophets? Here is a link to a related sermon: Church of God Leaders on Prophets.
How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God There are many false prophets. How can Christians determine who is a true prophet? There is also a sermon-length video titled How to determine if someone is a true prophet of God. Here is a related link in Spanish/español: ¿Cómo determinar si alguien es un verdadero profeta de Dios?
Dreams, the Bible, the Radio Church of God, and the Continuing Church of God How has God used dreams in the past? Does God still use dreams? Did He use any involving those in the Continuing Church of God? Here is a link in Spanish: Sueños, la Biblia, la Iglesia de Dios de la Radio, y la Continuación de la Iglesia de Dios. A related sermon is also available: Dreams, COGs, and One Man Rule.
Continuing Church of God, Elijah, and Restoring All Things Have all things been restored? Is there restoration going on? Is there supposed to be a 21st century Elijah? Here is are links to two related sermons: 21st Century Elijah and CCOG: Restoring All Things. Here is a link to a related sermon in the Spanish language: La restauracion de todas las cosas.