EN: ‘The Presbyterian Church (USA) has turned on Donald Trump’


Ecumenical News reports that the Presbyterian Church has turned against Donald Trump:

February 22, 2016

The Presbyterian Church (USA) has turned on Donald Trump who is still feeling the impact of his row with Pope Francis over his suggestion he was “not a Christian” for proposing a border wall with Mexico.

But the conservative credentials of the Republican front runner are not convincing to one foreign commentator who has labeled him a “complete fake.”

The leadership of Presbyterian church he was born into says his extreme views on how to deal with immigration are out of line with its teachings.

Rev. Gradye Parsons, the most senior elected official of the Presbyterian Church (USA) to which Trump was baptized as a child, said that the Bible is clear:, stating followers of the faith have to care for the needy.

“Donald Trump’s views are not in keeping with the policies adopted by our church by deliberative process,” he said. http://www.ecumenicalnews.com/article/church-in-which-donald-trump-was-baptized-defies-him-on-immigration-policy/38525.htm

Here is some additional information:

February 21, 2016

Gradye Parsons, the most senior elected official of the Presbyterian Church (USA) into which Trump was baptized as a child, said that the Bible is clear: followers of the faith have to care for the needy. “Donald Trump’s views are not in keeping with the policies adopted by our church by deliberative process,” he said.

In an interview with the Guardian, Parsons said that the Presbyterian church had voted several times since the 1990s in its national general assemblies in favor of comprehensive immigration reform that would grant a route to legal status for the 11 million undocumented people currently living in the US. “Our official policy is to encourage immigration reform.” …

Trump was confirmed as a child at the First Presbyterian church in Jamaica, in the New York borough of Queens, and has always self-associated as a Presbyterian. He says he now worships at the Marble Collegiate church in Manhattan, part of the Reformed Church in American denomination. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/21/donald-trump-presbyterian-church-immigration?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU%20Today%20main%20NEW%20H&utm_term=157955&subid=1176955&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

Now, it should be noted that the Reformed Church of America is in “full communion with the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the United Church of Christ, and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America,”, so the faiths are quite similar.

Donald Trump himself claims to be a Presbyterian and a Christian:

July 18, 2015

(CNN) Donald Trump talked about his Christian faith Saturday, but said he’s never sought forgiveness for his sins. …

“People are so shocked when they find … out I am Protestant. I am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my church,” he said.

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

“I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so,” he said. “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”

Trump said that while he hasn’t asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/

The Bible says that Christians are to repent (Acts 2:38), examine themselves before taking the bread and wine (1 Corinthians 11:27-29), and are to confess their sins so God will forgive them, but Donald Trump apparently  does not really believe in things like that.

It should be clear to all who claim to believe the Bible that Donald Trump is not actually a Christian. And apparently, he may not also be a Presbyterian as far as the head of that church is concerned.

Some others believe that Donald Trump is an actor who is basically pretending to hold conservative views.

Notice what Tim Blair wrote from Australia:

February 22, 2016

Donald Trump is a complete fake, his right-wing pose is a cynical act. (Blair T. Donald Trump is a complete fake. Daily Telegraph. February 22, 2016)

Here is more about that:

February 22, 2016

Tim Blair … denounced him in a piece headlined, “Candidate Donald Trump is a complete fake, his right-wing pose is a cynical act.”

Blair opined that Trump has a huge supporter base among voters and pundits “weary of the usual politically correct and evasive politicians” and that his stance on Muslim immigration and border protection “strike a resonant chord throughout middle America.”

“It’s just that Trump is a complete fake. He’s less a viable presidential candidate than a marketing exercise for the Trump brand. He’s running as a hard-core conservative solely because that role happens to be vacant.

“If the rest of the field shifted right, you get the feeling that Trump would start quoting Castro and wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt.” http://www.ecumenicalnews.com/article/church-in-which-donald-trump-was-baptized-defies-him-on-immigration-policy/38525.htm

Many politicians (and people) pretend to be one thing while they are something else.

How sincerely Donald Trump holds to ‘conservative values’ certainly can be debated.  But perhaps it should be pointed out that Ronald Reagan was also a Democrat who became a Republican.

Yet as far as Donald Trump and  the end times go, the Bible warns:

1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

While many of the above apply to other politicians, the “lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud” (and many others) seem to apply to people like Donald Trump.

This should not be surprising because the Bible says ” the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.’ (Daniel 4:17).

Now, at least for the Republican nomination process, Donald Trump claims to be anti-abortion and is not a strident promoter of the LGBT agenda.  Yet, on that last point, notice the following:

Of the June 2015 Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide, he said: “I would have preferred states, you know, making the decision and I let that be known. But they made the decision. … So, at a certain point you have to be realistic about it.” Gregory T. Angelo, the president of the Log Cabin Republicans (a pro-LGBT organization), described Trump as “one of the best, if not the best, pro-gay Republican candidates to ever run for the presidency.” (Political positions of Donald Trump. Wikipedia, viewed 02/21/16)

It is not likely that Donald Trump will take steps that will stop abortions or the LGBT agenda if he is elected President of the United States.

You may think that none of that affects you if you live in the USA and he becomes President. But consider the following:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man — and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (Romans 1:18-32)

Donald Trump professes to be wise, but approves of sexual immortality and other sins that God says lead to death. This does not bode well for the USA should he become its president.

We are seeing more and more leaders that are coarse and have serious moral issues.

Notice also the following scriptures:

12 As for My people, children are their oppressors, And women rule over them. O My people! Those who lead you cause you to err, And destroy the way of your paths.” (Isaiah 3:12)

16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err, And those who are led by them are destroyed (Isaiah 9:16).

Irrespective of who becomes the next president, by virtue of timing, that leader will be in a sense, apocalyptic. Meaning that steps will be taken that will lead to the end of the USA by the next president.

Donald Trump’s siren song is basically that foreigners, migrants, and Wall Street have taken advantage of the USA, and Americans would be better off if he renegotiates treaties and changes laws. This would bring Americans prosperity, etc. according to Donald Trump.

On the Democratic side, their siren song is that corporations, rich straight white men, and Wall Street have taken advantage of many in the USA and Americans would be better off if laws are changed to increase taxes on the rich and force corporations to give more to women, minorities, and migrants, while also changing society’s laws related to gender matters. This would basically bring prosperity and equity to those who have been unfairly treated according to Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton.

Both sides employ greed and envy as motivators. Jesus warned against covetousness (Luke 12:15).

Neither Donald Trump’s nor the Democrat’s siren songs are the solution.

The presidential candidates also do not seem to realize the national identity of the USA according to the Bible (see Anglo – America in Prophecy & the Lost Tribes of Israel), that God has a 6,000 year plan, and that national repentance is needed or the USA is doomed (Habakkuk 2:6-8; Daniel 11:39).

Time is running out for the USA. We are getting closer to the end of the 6,000 years that God is allowing humans to rule themselves, prior to the return of Jesus Christ and the beginning of the millennial reign (see Does God Have a 6,000 Year Plan? What Year Does the 6,000 Years End? and Did The Early Church Teach Millenarianism?). This is something that none of the presidential candidates has discussed publicly as far as I can tell.

And the end of the USA will come (cf. Daniel 11:39) whether they believe it or not.

As far as making America great again, the USA truly needs national repentance, which is something that neither “the Donald” nor the other major candidates truly called for.

The USA needs the Kingdom of God.

Pray (Matthew 6:10; 1 Timothy 2:1-3).

Some items of possibly related interest may include:

Donald Trump in Prophecy Prophecy, Donald Trump? Are there prophecies that Donald Trump may fulfill?  Are there any prophecies that he has already helped fulfill?  Could a Donald Trump presidency be apocalyptic? This is a brand new article.
Should a Christian Vote? This article gives some of the Biblical rationale on this subject. Would Jesus vote for president/prime minister? Is voting in the Bible? This is a subject Christians need to understand. A video of related interest is available titled: Should Christians Vote?
Abortion, the Bible, and a Woman’s Right to Choose Do you know what the Bible teaches on this? Has the Roman Catholic Church allowed abortions? What about the real Church of God? Some may also, or instead, wish to view the YouTube video Abortion, the Bible, and US Debt.
Cross-dressing and other assaults against your children. What should you do? Is there an agenda to turn your children and/or grandchildren away from biblical morality and towards practices promoted by homosexuals? What does the Bible teach about cross-dressing? What should parents do? If there is an agenda, what has been going on? There are also two YouTube videos related to this, titled Transgender ‘Woe to those who call evil good’ and Cross dressing and Other Assaults Against Your Children.
The Bible Condemns Homosexuality “Same-sex marriage” for “gays” and lesbians is becoming more acceptable to many. What does the Bible teach about homosexuality? Can homosexuals change? A related video sermon is titled: What Does the Bible Really Teach about Homosexuality?
Pornography: A scourge on society Is pornography harmless fun? Does the Bible teach anything about it? What are the views of some involved with it? A related sermons is titled: Pornography, False Comfort, and False Religion. Here a shorter YouTube video Pornography: Harmless Fun or a Scourge on Society?
Gambling and Sin: Is it a Sin for Christians to Gamble?
What does the Bible reveal? A related video is Gambling: A Covetous Sin?
Does God Have a 6,000 Year Plan? What Year Does the 6,000 Years End? Was a 6000 year time allowed for humans to rule followed by a literal thousand year reign of Christ on Earth taught by the early Christians? Does God have 7,000 year plan? What year may the six thousand years of human rule end? When will Jesus return? 2023 or 20xx? There is also a video titled The 6000 Year Plan: Is the end of humanity’s reign almost up? Here is a link to the article in Spanish: ¿Tiene Dios un plan de 6,000 años?
When Will the Great Tribulation Begin? 2016, 2017, or 2018? Can the Great Tribulation begin today? What happens before the Great Tribulation in the “beginning of sorrows”? What happens in the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord? Is this the time of the Gentiles? When is the earliest that the Great Tribulation can begin? What is the Day of the Lord? Who are the 144,000? Here is a version of the article in the Spanish language: ¿Puede comenzar la Gran Tribulación en 2016 o 2017? ¿Es el Tiempo de los Gentiles? You can also see the English language sermon video: The Great Tribulation from the Mount of Olives. A shorter video is: Can the Great Tribulation Start in 2016?
Just What Do You Mean — Repentance? Do you know what repentance is? Have you truly repented? Repented of what? Herbert W. Armstrong wrote this as a booklet on this important subject.
The Ten Commandments and the Early Church Did Jesus and the Early Church keep the ten commandments? What order were they in? Here are quotes from the Bible and early writings. A related sermon is titled: Christians and the Ten Commandments.
When You Sin: Do You Really Repent? This is an article by Charles F. Hunting. A related sermon is Confess to God and truly repent.
WTO/TTIP and the Babylonian Beast Will international trade agreements like WTO/TTIP/CETA lead to the fulfillment of end time prophecies concerning the Babylonian Beast power that the Book of Revelation warns against? What does the Bible teach? A related video would be WTO Trade Deal and the Rise of the European Beast Power.
Hillary Clinton in Prophecy Prophecy, Hillary Clinton? Are there prophecies that Hillary Clinton may fulfill? Are there any prophecies that she has already helped fulfill? Could Hillary Clinton be apocalyptic? Could Hillary Clinton be the final Antichrist? A video of related interest is titled Hillary Clinton and Bible Prophecy.
The Gospel of the Kingdom of God was the Emphasis of Jesus and the Early Church Did you know that? Do you even know what the gospel of the kingdom is all about? You can also see a YouTube video sermon The Gospel of the Kingdom.
Women and the New Testament Church What roles did women play in the ministry of Jesus and the apostles? Did Jesus and the Apostle Paul violate Jewish traditions regarding their dealings with women? Do women have any biblical limitations on their role in the Church? Were there female prophets? Do women have any special responsibilities in terms of how they dress? What does the New Testament really teach about women? Here is a related sermon titled: New Testament Women.
Anglo – America in Prophecy & the Lost Tribes of Israel Are the Americans, Canadians, English, Scottish, Welsh, Australians, Anglo-Saxon (non-Dutch) Southern Africans, and New Zealanders descendants of Joseph? Where are the lost ten-tribes of Israel? Who are the lost tribes of Israel? What will happen to Jerusalem and the Jews in Israel? Will God punish the U.S.A., Canada, United Kingdom, and other Anglo-Saxon nations? Why might God allow them to be punished first? Here is a link to the Spanish version of this article: Anglo-América & las Tribus Perdidas de Israel. Information is also in the YouTube sermons titled Where are the Ten Lost Tribes? Why does it matter? and British are the Covenant People. A short YouTube of prophetic interest may be Barack Obama and the State of the Apocalypse.
Will the Anglo-Saxon Nations be Divided and Have People Taken as Slaves? Will the lands of the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand be divided? What about Jerusalem? What does Bible prophecy teach? Are there non-biblical prophecies that support this idea? Who will divide those lands? Who will end up with the lands and the people? Here is a link to a video titled Will the USA and other Anglo-nations be Divided and Their People Made Slaves? Here is a related item in the Spanish language ¿Serán divididas las naciones anglosajonas?
Hillary Clinton, Prophecy, and the Destruction of the United States This is a 188 page book for people truly interested in prophecies related to Hillary Clinton and the United States, including learning about many that have already been fulfilled and those that will be fulfilled in the future. It also discusses Republicans. The physical book can be purchased at Amazon from the following link: Hillary Clinton, Prophecy, and the Destruction of the United States: Is Hillary Clinton Fulfilling Biblical, Islamic Catholic, Hopi, and other America-Related Prophecies? $11.99.
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