2012 Movie Shows Destruction of the Vatican

November 6th, 2009

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A reader forwarded me the following article related to Sony’s upcoming 2012 movie:

The maker of the upcoming apocalyptic film “2012″ has conceded he enjoyed orchestrating the visual disintegration of the world’s religious symbols, such as the Vatican and the famous statue of Jesus overlooking Rio de Janeiro.

But he left an Islamic symbol alone because he feared the reaction from the Muslim world.

In an interview with the online SciFiWire website, Roland Emmerich said he had considered including the destruction of the Kaaba, the cube-shaped structure in Mecca worshiped by Muslims as being built by Abraham and his son Ishmael.

“Well, I wanted to do that, I have to admit,” Emmerich said. “But my co-writer Harald [Kloser] said I will not have a fatwa on my head because of a movie. And he was right. … We have to all … in the Western world … think about this.”…

The new movie depicts the destruction of Rome, Rio and Washington. The White House gets it when a wave carries the aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy and drops it atop the structure, and St. Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican rolls over onto a crowd of the faithful.

An excerpt has been made available:

“The whole Vatican kind of tips and kind of rolls over the people. It said something, because in the story, some people … believe in praying and prayer, and they pray in front of the church, and it’s probably the wrong thing, what they would do in that situation,” Emmerich told SciFi.

He also took out the famous statue of Jesus overlooking Rio.

“Because I’m against organized religion,” he said. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115011

While I will not comment now on Roland Emmerich’s views on religion, it may be of interest to note that although flooding is not supposed to be the cause, there are biblical and non-biblical prophecies that indicate that Rome will fall.

Some of Catholic predictions associated with this are included in the article Catholic Prophecies: Do They Mirror, Highlight, or Contradict Biblical Prophecies?

A more detailed and in-depth sequence, including how certain non-biblical predictions line up with biblical passages, is available in my book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect.

BTW, we just got the printed copies of my book in Spanish this week and it is available at 2012 y el surgimiento de la secta secreta.

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Some Anglicans Starting to Accept Pope’s Offer of Unification

November 5th, 2009

Pope Benedict

Pope Benedict XVI

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Some Anglicans are accepting the Vatican’s offer of unity:

Anglican Province Accepts Pope’s Offer

Posted by EDWARD PENTIN

Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:46 PM

The Traditional Anglican Communion’s province in Great Britain has become the first to accept Pope Benedict XVI’s Apostolic Constitution for Anglicans.

All its members voted unanimously to come into communion with Rome under the terms of the new provision, which allows them to retain their Anglican patrimony.

An undated statement on the province’s website reads:

“That this Assembly, representing the Traditional Anglican Communion in Great Britain, offers its joyful thanks to Pope Benedict XVI for his forthcoming Apostolic Constitution allowing the corporate reunion of Anglicans with the Holy See, and requests the Primate and College of Bishops of the Traditional Anglican Communion to take the steps necessary to implement this Constitution.”

A statement from Bishop David Moyer of the Traditional Anglican Communion reads:

“The well-attended Assembly was a grace-filled gathering where all in attendance became aware of the movement of the Holy Spirit. The bishops, priests, ordinands, and lay representatives were brought to a place of “being in full accord and of one mind,” as St. Paul prayed for the Church in Philippi.

“The questions and concerns that were expressed in regard to what had been read and heard about the forthcoming Apostolic Constitution were addressed by Archbishop John Hepworth. Bishop Mercer and myself.

“The Resolutions unanimously passed by the Assembly were carefully written and clearly reflect TTAC’s corporate desire and intention. All present realized that the requirement for the days ahead is patience, charity, and openness to the Holy Spirit.”

Significantly, this vote took place in the birthplace of the Anglican Communion, and its members voted in favor despite the Apostolic Constitution having not yet been published.

Recently, the Traditional Anglican Communion has been looking at establishing a mother house in England, possibly a former monastery which hasn’t witnessed the ordination of a Catholic priest since the Reformation. http://www.ncregister.com/daily/anglican_province_accepts_popes_offer/#When:17:46:13Z

How many Anglicans, overall, will accept the offer is still unknown.  Some will, and others will not.

Now this offer included a little compromising on Rome’s part.  For example, the Vatican is allowing the Anglicans to keep much of their liturgy and their leadership.  And while there always has been an order within eastern Catholicism that allowed married priests, this has not been the case in the Latin (church of Rome in the west) for many centuries.  Of course, early Christian leaders (including bishops) were often married, as the Bible endorses that (1 Timothy 3:2).  But Rome has tended to change from some of those practices.

This unification is an indication to me, at least, that compromise on the behalf of the Vatican will likely be involved as other groups (the Orthodox and Lutherans come to immediate mind) get closer with the Church of Rome.

Some articles of possibly related interest include the following:

Why Should American Catholics Should Fear Unity with the Orthodox? Are the current ecumenical meetings a good thing or will they result in disaster?
Was Celibacy Required for Early Bishops or Presbyters? Some religions suggest this, but what does the Bible teach? What was the practice of the early church?
Did the Early Christian Church Practice Monasticism? Does God expect or endorse living in a monastery or nunnery?
Were the Early Duties of Elders/Pastors Mainly Sacramental? What was there Dress? Were the duties of the clergy primarily pastoral or sacramental? Did the clergy dress with special liturgical vestments? Can “bishops” be disqualified as ministers of Christ based on their head coverings?
The History of Early Christianity Are you aware that what most people believe is not what truly happened to the true Christian church? Do you know where the early church was based? Do you know what were the doctrines of the early church? Is your faith really based upon the truth or compromise?

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COGwriter on Radio in Ventura

November 5th, 2009

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Here is a link to an MP3 file for a radio interview I did on KKZZ 1400am radio in Ventura, California yesterday:

KKZZ Interview with Bob Thiel, author of 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect

The above link will be there for about 5 more days.  It takes several minutes to download.  I do not come on until about eight-twelve minutes after it starts, and am on until the end of the first hour of the show.  This is essentially news radio show, which starts with news, includes a variety of questions to me, commercials, and local traffic and weather reports.

Since mid-September 2009, I have done twelve radio interviews.  Some on scattered local stations throughout the USA, and at least three that were syndicated into multiple markets.  This is only the second one I have done on a California station.

One problem with doing radio via the telephone line is that it is sometimes difficult to keep the radio show hosts from veering off course and sometimes I cannot get in all the clarifying statements that I want to.  But overall, I have been able to get some of the message out about things that are predicted to come to pass.

All of the interviews so far have been related to 2012, Sony’s 2012 movie, and my book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect.  In the book, I basically explain how certain predictions line up with (or are opposed to) biblical prophecies.  The book provides a sequence of events which readers can check out for themselves to see if the events are coming to pass.

Two links of essentially related interest could include:

End of Mayan Calendar 2012–Might 2012 Mean Something? Are there Mayan calendar predictions for change in 2012? Changes were centuries ago predicted by the Hopi Native Americans. Do Mayan/Hindu/Hopi/Buddhist/New Age/Nostradamus prophecies have any value here? Why might Satan have inspired this date? Does the Dresden codex show destruction of the earth by flood? Can the great tribulation start before 2012? How might Barack Obama be involved in 2012?
2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect This is a link related to a book by Bob Thiel (COGwriter). This also has YouTube videos related to 2012. The book is for those truly interested in understanding how prophecies inter-relate and who want to see a real sequence of end time events.

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Ronald Weinland Made the News for Being Wrong

November 5th, 2009

VS.

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Ronald Weinland of CGPFK made the news for being wrong yesterday:

10 Failed Doomsday Predictions

By Benjamin Radford, LiveScience’s Bad Science Columnist

posted: 04 November 2009…

With the upcoming disaster film “2012″ and the current hype about Mayan calendars and doomsday predictions, it seems like a good time to put such notions in context.

Most prophets of doom come from a religious perspective, though the secular crowd has caused its share of scares as well. One thing the doomsday scenarios tend to share in common: They don’t come to pass…

God’s Church Ministry, Fall 2008

According to God’s Church minister Ronald Weinland, the end times are upon us– again. His 2006 book “2008: God’s Final Witness” states that hundreds of millions of people will die, and by the end of 2006, “there will be a maximum time of two years remaining before the world will be plunged into the worst time of all human history. By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, and no longer exist as an independent nation.” As the book notes, “Ronald Weinland places his reputation on the line as the end-time prophet of God.”  http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/091104-doomsday-predictions.html

The above article pointed out false predictions for the end in the 19th-21st centuries.  But the problem is not prophecy, it is false prophets.  The Bible specifically warns against them:

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. (2 Peter 2:1-2)

Because of false prophets, people seem less willing to believe the true predictions of God’s word as explained by His servants.  But whether people believe the prophecies of the Bible or not, they will come to pass.

Now, as long term readers of the COGwriter page are aware, I first denounced Ronald Weinland for being wrong about four years ago.  Thus far, he has never been right, and my track record for denouncing false prophets even before their prophecies have proven to be false has not failed.

Ronald Weinland is a self-appointed “prophet” who also claims to be one of the two witnesses.  He still claims that he is God’s prophet, but his current prediction that Jesus will return on is also in error.  In his 3/15/08 sermon he said. “September 29, 2011, Jesus Christ returns”.  Here is what he and his church now teach:

As regular readers/listeners are aware, on December 14, 2008, the world entered the final 3 1/2 years spoken of throughout prophecy as the end-time of man’s rule on earth. On Pentecost of 2012, the world will experience a final transition from mankind ruling himself to that of God’s government ruling over all nations. (Weinland R.  “In” the Final Three & One Half Years.  March 9, 2009, www.ronaldweinland.com)

1260 Days: The blowing of the first Trumpet will occur/occurred on the 14th of December, 2008. This is the beginning of the Great Tribulation and 3 1/2 years until the return of Jesus Christ on the day of Pentecost. The beginning of the fall of the USA and other Israelite countries begins from the start of the 1260 days (CGPFK website, FAQ–Timeline Questions Answered.  viewed 2/25/09).

Pentecost in 2012 is May 27, 2012.  But, Jesus cannot and will not return then.

Now Ronald Weinland is not unique in being wrong of course.

A relatively well known semi-Protestant, Harold Camping, has made somewhat of a splash too.  In his  publications, We are Almost There! and To God be the Glory, he inaccurately claims that certain biblical passages teach that May 21, 2011 is the date of Jesus’ return (which he calls the Rapture) and October 21, 2011 is the date for the end of the world.  And while some day I will post more about Harold Camping, let me go on record and state that Jesus cannot and will not return on May 21, 2011.

Despite false prophets rising up, the truth is that the Great Tribulation will begin relatively soon, Jesus will return, and the final Bible prophecies will be fulfilled.  But Jesus cannot return prior to 2016 and the Great Tribulation cannot begin prior to 2013.

Some articles of related interest may include the following:

Concerns About Ronald Weinland’s Church of God-Preparing for the Kingdom of God Ronald Weinland falsely claims to be one of the two witnesses God is raising up and that the end will come in 2008 (first April 17th, then June 2008, now December 14, 2008). Why does the Bible show that Ron Weinland is a false prophet? He also has at least one other view that suggests that he is not part of the Church of God.
Is There A Secret Rapture for the Church? When and Where is the Church Protected? What does the Bible really teach? Does the Church flee or is it taken up just prior to the great tribulation? Who really is left behind?
Why is a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem Not Required? Although people like Timothy LaHaye teach a third Jewish temple is required, who is ‘the temple of God” in the New Testament? Does the Bible require a rebuilt Jewish Temple?
Laodicean Warning for God’s People Is there really a place of safety? Do God’s people need to be warned? Warned for what?
Can the Great Tribulation Begin in 2009, 2010, or 2011? Can the Great Tribulation begin today? What happens before in the “beginning of sorrows”? What happens in the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord? When is the earliest that the Great Tribulation can begin? What is the Day of the Lord?
Who Are The Two Witnesses? What is their job? What does the Bible reveal? What has the Church of God taught on this subject? Might even Roman Catholic prophecies give some clues here?
End of Mayan Calendar 2012–Might 2012 Mean Something? Are there Mayan calendar predictions for change in 2012? Changes were centuries ago predicted by the Hopi Native Americans. Do Mayan/Hindu/Hopi/Buddhist/New Age/Nostradamus prophecies have any value here? Why might Satan have inspired this date? Does the Dresden codex show destruction of the earth by flood? Can the great tribulation start before 2012? How might Barack Obama be involved in 2012?
2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect This is a link related to a book by Bob Thiel (COGwriter). This also has YouTube videos related to 2012. The book is for those truly interested in understanding how prophecies inter-relate and who want to see a real sequence of end time events.

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British Sovereignty Claimed to Be a Victim from Yesterday’s Signing of the Lisbon Treaty

November 4th, 2009


Palace of Westminster in London

COGwriter

Some in the United Kingdom are concerned about the signing of the Lisbon Treaty:

Lisbon Treaty: more of Britain’s powers surrendered to Brussels
Britain’s power to govern itself is to be surrendered increasingly to Brussels after the European Union’s Lisbon Treaty was finally ratified.
Telegraph, London - Nov 3, 2009

The treaty, which will come into force within a few weeks, will create the first president of Europe, as well as a European foreign minister, and will end Britain’s right to veto new EU rules in more than 40 policy areas.

The treaty’s supporters say it will allow the EU to operate more efficiently and give it greater influence in world affairs.

But critics say it will cede too much more of Britain’s sovereignty to Brussels.

Vaclav Klaus, the President of the Czech Republic, yesterday signed the Lisbon Treaty, ending eight years of resistance to its attempt to give more power to the EU.

The Czechs are the last of the 27 EU states to sign the treaty, and their move forced the Conservatives to abandon their pledge to hold a British referendum on Lisbon.

William Hague, the shadow foreign secretary, said it was “a bad day for British democracy”.

David Cameron, the Conservative leader, will today set out plans for an alternative Tory pledge to renegotiate several parts of Britain’s EU membership, trying to win back control over social and employment laws.

It is understood that one of Mr Cameron’s options will be to guarantee a referendum for British voters under a Tory government if any more national powers were in danger of being ceded to Brussels.

Mr Cameron’s retreat on announcing a referendum on the newly ratified treaty has led to accusations of breaking his promise and betraying the British people.

The Lisbon Treaty is based on the European Constitution, which started at a summit in Brussels in December 2001.

Gordon Brown hailed the Czech signature as “a historic step,” and European leaders said it will create a more powerful EU.

Despite the scale of the changes the treaty makes, the British people have never been directly consulted on the document, which was ratified in a Commons vote and signed by Mr Brown in 2007.

Labour won the 2005 general election having promised a referendum on the European Constitution but then dropped the pledge, arguing that Lisbon was a different document.

The Conservatives gave a “cast-iron” guarantee of a vote on Lisbon.

But after Mr Klaus signed the text, the Tories admitted that they will not offer voters a say on Lisbon.

Mr Hague said that once ratified, the treaty will cease to exist as a distinct legal document, meaning no vote can be held on it.

He said: “Now that the treaty has become European law and is going to enter into force, that means that a referendum can no longer prevent the creation of the president of the European council, the loss of British national vetoes, these things will already have happened, and a referendum cannot unwind them or prevent them.”

Daniel Hannan, a Tory MEP and leading Euro-sceptic said the signing was a step towards a European super-state. “The boot continues to stamp on the human face,” he said.

Mr Hague last night attempted to blame Labour for the treaty’s passage. He said: “People have never been consulted or voted in a general election for this.

“The British people have never even voted once, and we will not let people forget whose responsibility that is.”

Mr Brown insisted that the signing of the treaty was something to celebrate.

He said: “Today is a day when Europe looks forward, when it sets aside years of debate on its institutions, and moves to take strong and collective action on the issues that matter most to European citizens: security, climate change, jobs and growth.”

Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, said that the treaty means “The EU will become stronger and more capable of acting.”

One of the most visible changes the treaty makes is the creation of a new permanent president for the EU, who will chair European summits and set the union’s agenda.

EU leaders will now meet at a special summit later this month to pick a president. Mr Brown has been backing Tony Blair’s bid for the job, but EU leaders have turned against the former premier.

Instead of a high-profile president, European leaders are now leaning towards a low-key “chairman” for the job. Herman Van Rompuy of Belgian and Jan Peter Balkenende are the current favourites.

The treaty will give the EU many of the trappings of a nation-state, including its own foreign minister – officially titled the high representative for foreign affairs – and an “External Action Service,” effectively a European diplomatic corps.

David Miliband, the foreign secretary, is leading candidate for the EU foreign policy job.

Jose Manuel Barroso, the president of the European Commission, said that the signing of the treaty would allow the EU to start acting as a global player. “The new external profile for the European Union will be felt immediately,” he said.

Joseph Daul, a French MEP close to Nicolas Sarkozy, the French President, said the decision meant more collective EU action.

“Europe can now move forward,” he said. “The Treaty will allow effective European action in areas where solutions are urgent, such as the financial and economic crisis, climate change and energy”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/6496336/Lisbon-Treaty-more-of-Britains-powers-surrendered-to-Brussels.html

A new world order is developing.  In it, the USA and the UK are NOT going to stay on top.

Notice the following prophecy:

43 The alien who is among you shall rise higher and higher above you, and you shall come down lower and lower. 44 He shall lend to you, but you shall not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you shall be the tail. 45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon you and pursue and overtake you, until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you. 46 And they shall be upon you for a sign and a wonder, and on your descendants forever (Deuteronomy 28:43-46).

Because the Anglo-American nations have not obeyed God, they have racked up massive debt, and will no longer remain on top.

The European Union is rising up.  Instead of being essentially a confederation where any nation can veto any action from Brussels that it does not like, the reality is now the EU itself will have more power and more sovereignty.

Although almost overlooked by American news sources yesterday, the signing of the Lisbon Treaty was a major event that lines up with what we in the Church of God have been teaching for many decades.  (It is also consistent with the predictions explained in my book, 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect.)

People need to realize that the world is changing and that there are explanations that they really should understand.  The implications for the UK and USA are enormous.

Some articles of possibly related interest may include:

Anglo – America in Prophecy & the Lost Tribes of Israel Are the Americans, Canadians, British, Scottish, Welsh, Australians, Anglo-Southern Africans, and New Zealanders descendants of Joseph? Where are the lost ten-tribes of Israel? Who are the lost tribes of Israel? Will God punish the U.S.A., Canada, United Kingdom, and other Anglo nations? Why might God allow them to be punished first?
Europa, the Beast, and Revelation Where did Europe get its name? What might Europe have to do with the Book of Revelation? What about “the Beast”? What is ahead for Europe?
Who is the King of the North? Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11? Is a nuclear attack prophesied to happen to the English-speaking peoples of the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand? When do the 1335 days, 1290 days, and 1260 days (the time, times, and half a time) of Daniel 12 begin?

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Planned Parenthood Director Quits After Viewing Abortion Via Ultrasound

November 3rd, 2009

Wat Abortion

Bas-relief at Angkor Wat depicting a demon performing an ancient abortion.

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The director of a Planned Parenthood clinic resigned her position after she actually saw an abortion from the inside:

Planned Parenthood Director Quits After Watching Abortion on Ultrasound

November 1, 2009

The former director of a Planned Parenthood clinic in southeast Texas says she had a “change of heart” after watching an abortion last month — and she quit her job and joined a pro-life group in praying outside the facility.

Abby Johnson, 29, used to escort women from their cars to the clinic in the eight years she volunteered and worked for Planned Parenthood in Bryan, Texas. But she says she knew it was time to leave after she watched a fetus “crumple” as it was vacuumed out of a patient’s uterus in September.

‘When I was working at Planned Parenthood I was extremely pro-choice,” Johnson told FOXNews.com. But after seeing the internal workings of the procedure for the first time on an ultrasound monitor, “I would say there was a definite conversion in my heart … a spiritual conversion.”

Johnson said she became disillusioned with her job after her bosses pressured her for months to increase profits by performing more and more abortions, which cost patients between $505 and $695.

“Every meeting that we had was, ‘We don’t have enough money, we don’t have enough money — we’ve got to keep these abortions coming,’” Johnson told FoxNews.com. “It’s a very lucrative business and that’s why they want to increase numbers.”  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,571215,00.html?test=latestnews

Unlike in many countries, abortion is truly a lucrative business in the USA.  Yet, abortion is wrong.

Many politicians, medical professionals, and others, have, in my opinion, sold out on this subject.

Abortion is one of the many national sins of America that helps tell the world that it is not truly a “Christian nation”.

An article of possibly related interest may include:

Abortion, the Bible, and a Woman’s Right to Choose Do you know what the Bible teaches on this?

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Czech President Signs Lisbon Treaty: Search for EU President Begins

November 3rd, 2009


Vaclav Klaus

COGwriter

The EU took a major step to becoming its own entity when Vaclav Klaus signed the Lisbon Treaty on behalf of the Czech Republic today:

EU to call extra summit on top jobs
DPA - Nov 3, 2009
Brussels – The European Union is to call an extraordinary summit in the coming days to discuss who should be the bloc’s first-ever president, the EU’s Swedish presidency said Tuesday after the Czech president signed the reforming Lisbon Treaty. “To finalize the treaty preparations, I will now begin name consultations. As soon as possible, I will also call for an EU summit,” Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt said in a statement.
Speaking from Washington, where he was attending an EU-US summit, Reinfeldt said Czech President Vaclav Klaus’ signature “ends a far too long period of institutional focus within the EU.”
“I am very pleased that President Klaus today signed the Lisbon Treaty,” Reinfeldt said.

The European Beast power is forming right now, and many simply do not see it.

And while I do not believe that whoever is about to become the President of the EU (which many believe originally seemed to have the UK’s Tony Blair as the front-runner) will be the final King of the North, the stage is being set for the rise of that Beast.

Some articles of possibly related interest may include:

Who is the King of the North? Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies point to the same leader? Should he be followed? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11? Is a nuclear attack prophesied to happen to the English-speaking peoples of the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand? When do the 1335 days, 1290 days, and 1260 days (the time, times, and half a time) of Daniel 12 begin? When does the Bible show that economic collapse will affect the United States?
Is Tony Blair Apocalyptic? The former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom converted to Catholicism shortly after leaving his office and has been active in European affairs. What role might he play?
End of Mayan Calendar 2012–Might 2012 Mean Something? There is a Mayan calendar prediction for change in 2012. 2012 changes were also centuries ago predicted by the Hopi Native Americans (the Hindus may have some predictions for the next decade as well). Do these Mayan/Hindu/Hopi prophecies have any value? Why might Satan have inspired this date? Does the Dresden codex show destruction of the earth by flood? Can the great tribulation start before 2012?
Europa, the Beast, and Revelation Where did Europe get its name? What might Europe have to do with the Book of Revelation? What about “the Beast”? What is ahead for Europe?

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CGG’s Born Again Doctrinal Change

November 3rd, 2009

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CGG’s John Ritenbaugh has instituted a variety of doctrinal changes within his group.  While groups like LCG teach that Christians are begotten by the Holy Spirit and born-again at the resurrection, CGG is now teaching a concept more similar to that of certain (but not all) Protestants:

How does one explain “this or that” regarding this “born again” question? It is very helpful to know that being “born again” is an entirely spiritual operation…

It should be easy to understand why there can be confusion over the words. We can interpret it only by what they can legitimately be translated into. They can be translated as “begotten again, “born again,” “born anew,” or “born from above.” And this may seem a little bit wild, but it is true. It can even be understood as “from a beginning” or “at a beginning.”

Now on the basis of how God deals with us in the rest of the New Testament, and after John 2 and 3, it must be understood as “born again,” and not “begotten again.” God never even one time speaks of us as being in a womb as an embryo or a fetus…Nicodemus’ error was sincere, and Herbert Armstrong’s error was sincere. (Source: Ritenbaugh J. Born Again Sermon, Part 2, June 20, 2009)

So while John Ritenbaugh admits that the terms translated as “born again” can be translated as “begotten again”, he has decided against the idea of teaching that God spiritually begets His offspring in this life who are then born again at the resurrection.

CGG has made doctrinal changes, as well as inaccurate changes (in my opinion) to prophetic understandings as well.  All should compare what their church teaches with the Bible.

According to Hislop’s The Two Babylons, being born again on earth is a long-standing pagan belief.  Hislop quotes Asiatic Researchers (Vol. vii, p. 271, London, 1806) that the Hindoo Brahmins boast that they are “twice born” men. Thus, the “born again now” idea apparently originally existed outside of Christianity.

Perhaps I should add that even in the second century (the century just after the Book of Revelation was written), there was at least one Christian writer who wrote that we are not to be “born again” until the resurrection. Notice what Theophilus of Antioch wrote,

But the moon wanes monthly, and in a manner dies, being a type of man; then it is born again, and is crescent, for a pattern of the future resurrection” (Theophilus of Antioch. To Autolycus, Book 2, Chapter XV. Translated by Marcus Dods, A.M. Excerpted from Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 2. Edited by Alexander Roberts & James Donaldson. American Edition, 1885. Online Edition Copyright © 2004 by K. Knight).

In the third century, Hippolytus (the greatest of the early theologians according to Roman Catholic scholars) understood that we are begotten by the Holy Spirit at baptism. Notice what he wrote:

This is the Spirit that was given to the apostles in the form of fiery tongues. This is the Spirit that David sought when he said, “Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.” Of this Spirit Gabriel also spoke to the Virgin, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee.” By this Spirit Peter spake that blessed word, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.” By this Spirit the rock of the Church was stablished. This is the Spirit, the Comforter, that is sent because of thee, that He may show thee to be the Son of God.

Come then, be begotten again, O man, into the adoption of God…For he who comes down in faith to the layer of regeneration, and renounces the devil, and joins himself to Christ; who denies the enemy, and makes the confession that Christ is God; who puts off the bondage, and puts on the adoption,–he comes up from the baptism brilliant as the sun, flashing forth the beams of righteousness, and, which is indeed the chief thing, he returns a son of God and joint-heir with Christ (Hippolytus. The Discourse on the Holy Theophany, Chapters 9,10. Excerpted from Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 5. Edited by Alexander Roberts & James Donaldson. American Edition, 1886. Online Edition Copyright © 2005 by K. Knight).

Also, even in the fourth century, it was understood that Christians are first begotten, that Jesus was the first born of the dead, and that we become born again later. For even though he had other heretical ideas, Athanasius apparently understood this as he wrote,

For God not only created them to be men, but called them to be sons, as having begotten them. For the term ‘begat’ is here as elsewhere expressive of a Son, as He says by the Prophet, ‘I begat sons and exalted them;’ and generally, when Scripture wishes to signify a son, it does so, not by the term ‘created,’ but undoubtedly by that of ‘begat.’ And this John seems to say, ‘He gave to them power to become children of God, even to them that believe on His Name; which were begotten not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.’ And here too the cautious distinction is well kept up, for first he says ‘become,’ because they are not called sons by nature but by adoption; then he says ‘were begotten,’ because they too had received at any rate the name of son…He became man, that, as the Apostle has said, He who is the ‘Beginning’ and ‘First-born from the dead, in all things might have the preeminence…He said to be ‘First-born from the dead,’ not that He died before us, for we had died first; but because having undergone death for us and abolished it, He was the first to rise, as man, for our sakes raising His own Body. Henceforth He having risen, we too from Him and because of Him rise in due course from the dead…He is called ‘First-born among many brethren’ because of the relationship of the flesh, and ‘First-born from the dead,’ because the resurrection of the dead is from Him and after Him…And as He is First-born among brethren and rose from the dead ‘the first fruits of them that slept;’ so, since it became Him ‘in all things to have the preeminence (Athanasius. Discourse II Against the Arians, Chapters 59,60,61,63,64. Excerpted from Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Second Series, Volume 4. Edited by Philip Schaff and Henry Wace. American Edition, 1892. Online Edition Copyright © 2005 by K. Knight).

Thus the idea of being begotten when converted and being born again at the resurrection was an original teaching among professing Christians.

In addition, even today, the Eastern Orthodox Church teaches:

Frank Schaeffer…calls the standard evangelical doctrine a “false bill of goods.” “The simplistic ‘born-again’ formula for instant painless ’salvation’ is not only a misunderstanding, I believe it is a heresy. It contradicts the teaching of Christ in regard to the narrow, hard, ascetic, difficult way of salvation.” (Clendenin D.B. ed. Eastern Orthodox Theology, 2nd ed. Baker Academic, 2003, p. 268).

I consider CGG’s change also to be another one of its heresies.

Some articles of possibly related interest may include:

Born Again: A Question of Semantics? Many Protestants use the term born-again. Do they know where the concept came from or does it matter? Are you born or begotten upon proper baptism?
What Did Early Christians Understand About the Resurrection? Is there more than one future resurrection? Did early Christians teach a physical resurrection? Did early Christians teach three resurrections?
Deification: Did the Early Church Teach That Christians Would Become God? What does the Bible teach? Is deification only a weird or cultic idea?
The History of Early Christianity Are you aware that what most people believe is not what truly happened to the true Christian church? Do you know where the early church was based? Do you know what were the doctrines of the early church? Is your faith really based upon the truth or compromise?
Church of the Great God This group, led by John Ritenbaugh, says the bride must first be made ready (hence gospel proclamation is not its high priority). Might this lead to a selfish bride? This group also seriously seems to misunderstand end-time prophecy.

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2012, Nostradamus Effect, and David Pack

November 2nd, 2009


Nostradamus

COGwriter

2012 has been in the media a lot lately.  Here is one story related to it and The History Channel:

No Payments, No Interest, No Future?

The Age of Nostradamus

November 2, 2009

If you are the credulous type, there has never been a better time to treat yourself to some luxuries, at least if the terms of the deal are right. If the merchant or manufacturer says “no payments or interest through 2012,” go for it.

At least that’s what you conclude watching the History Channel.

For many years, the network was nicknamed the “Hitler Channel” because of all the shows it ran on World War II and the Nazis. Today, a better nickname would be the “Nostradamus Channel.” Hardly a day goes by without at least one show touting some doomsday scenario and how it was foretold.

At the center of this programming strategy lies Nostradamus, the 16th-century French apothecary whose devotees claim foresaw everything from the rise of Napoleon to 9/11. Everyone who has ever written a book on Nostradamus gets extended face time on the History Channel, where their claims are treated with the utmost seriousness.

It isn’t only Nostradamus. Name a doomsday prediction made by some long-dead person or group and chances are the Nostradamus Channel has given it a respectful airing, no matter how unhinged the claims might be.

The latest and greatest example is the new series The Nostradamus Effect. That’s the name the producers have given to the “convergence” of “doomsday prophecy” and “current events.”

We are told that for “5,000 years, prophets around the world”—including, of course, Nostradamus—“have predicted the end of days.” Operating “independently,” they have concluded that 2012 will be a “time of extraordinary shift.”

One so-called expert told viewers that “we’re on the verge of the biggest riot of all time.” Another said that “we are reaching a confluence of tipping points.” These tipping points include climate change, financial upheaval, political unrest, crop failures, terrorism, and nuclear war, to name but a few.

That sounds ominous. Of course, nobody can cite anything that sounds like an actual prediction, such as, “In 2012, the world blows up.” It’s speaking nonsense, rank speculation.

It’s not much to go on, but then again, this isn’t about facts or reason—it’s about fear. It’s about understandable anxiety made worse because in rejecting Christianity, the West has rejected the basis of its hope. A world in which God’s purposes are being fulfilled for our good has been replaced by one that leaves man in charge, mostly for ill.

The world has become literally senseless to us. We live in, as theologian Robert Jensen once put, a meaningless world wishing we could believe in something. The more events seem to spin out of control, the more we succumb to superstition and irrationality. And of course there’s always a media conglomerate ready to sell the credulous what they crave.

There’s no better example than the subject of tomorrow’s commentary, which will give you the date of December 21, 2012. Please tune in. And in the meantime, please pay your bills on time.

RCG’s improperly self-titled “Apostle”, David Pack, is scheduled to be on The Nostradamus Effect on November 11, 2009 according to his website.  I trust that despite the many issues I have about him, he will not echo the chorus of the many “talking heads” that suggest that a tremendous amount of end time prophecies really are supposed to converge in 2012.

The reality is that many are going raise false expectations about 2012 and this will turn people away from believing in any prophecy.  While the truth is that disasters are coming,  from a biblical perspective there is no way that the world can end in a flood (or any other way) by the end of 2012.  That is just a bit too soon.

Some items of related interest may include:

End of Mayan Calendar 2012–Might 2012 Mean Something? Are there Mayan calendar predictions for change in 2012? Changes were centuries ago predicted by the Hopi Native Americans. Do Mayan/Hindu/Hopi/Buddhist/New Age/Nostradamus prophecies have any value here? Why might Satan have inspired this date? Does the Dresden codex show destruction of the earth by flood? Can the great tribulation start before 2012? How might Barack Obama be involved in 2012?
2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect This is a link related to a book by Bob Thiel (COGwriter).  The book explains what will, may, and will not happen in 2012–but more importantly it explains the order of many prophetic sequences that will affect everyone.  The book is now available now from Amazon.com in English, Spanish, and German.  This link also has YouTube videos related to 2012.

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Sanhedrin Threatens God’s Judgment Upon the United Nations

November 2nd, 2009

Jerusalem

COGwriter

In a move that seems to be a first, the Sanhedrin has indicated that God’s judgment is going to come upon the United Nations if it has a particular type of debate this Wednesday:

Sanhedrin to UN: Goldstone Will Bring Judgment Upon You
Israel National News – Nov 2, 2009
The Sanhedrin has warned the UN General Assembly not to hold a plenum debate this Wednesday on the anti-Israel Goldstone Report.In a letter to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon and the UN’s member states, the Sanhedrin warns that continued consideration of what it calls the “hostile, fallacious, and malicious” Goldstone document will bring upon the world the catastrophic events described in the Bible’s Book of Joel, Chapter 4.
The Goldstone commission found Israel guilty of committing war crimes during its anti-terror Cast Lead offensive in Gaza early this year. Many in Israel feel that the commission’s purpose was to categorize Israel’s attempt to fight the same terrorist threat that threatens the entire world as “war crimes.” The Sanhedrin is an initiative of recent years to recreate the traditional supreme legal tribunal in Judaism.

The letter reminds the UN that when it was decided in Geneva two weeks ago to have its Security Council discuss and approve the Goldstone Report, “we sent you a copy of the injunction issued by the Sanhedrin’s Court that prohibits any of the UN institutions from deliberating on this matter.”

The Sanhedrin then explained by what authority it issues injunctions to the United Nations: “The International Court of the Sanhedrin operates by the power of the Bible, the only Holy Writ whose essence was handed over to mankind at Mt. Sinai [the Torah], and of the Prophets, sent to all nations of the world and universally held in respect by them. By virtue of this delegated authority, passed down from one generation to the next ever since the time of Moses our teacher, the master of all of prophets, and by virtue of the succession of authority in Jewish tradition, we appealed to you that you might not fail and thus fail the world, bringing upon it catastrophe.”

The letter states that the Goldstone Report is an “attack on the State of Israel, and thus an attack on the Jewish People, in order to try to remove it from the stage of history by an unprecedented shedding of blood – tacitly encouraging Iran and those like it to continue to develop weapons of mass destruction while the rest of the world sits by and looks on… We are convinced that the continued discussion of this report, which is lacking all moral basis, will lead the nations of the world, and all of mankind, to the judgment that will take place in Jerusalem in the Valley of Jehoshafat, as written in the Prophets and Torah of Israel.”

Joel 4 is then cited:

“I will gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshafat; and I will enter into judgment with them there for My people and for My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and divided My land… And the children of Judah and the children of Jerusalem you have sold to the children of the Jevanim, in order to distance them from their border.  Behold I will arouse them from the place where you sold them, and I will return your retribution upon your head. And I will sell your sons and daughters into the hands of the children of Judah… Announce this among the nations: Prepare war, arouse the mighty men… Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears… Gather and come, all you nations from around – and they shall gather; there the Lord shall break your mighty men… for their evil is great…

“And the Lord shall roar from Zion, and from Jerusalem He shall give forth His voice, and the heavens and earth shall quake, and the Lord is a shelter to His people and a stronghold for the children of Israel. And you shall know that I, the Lord your God, dwell in Zion, My holy mount, and Jerusalem shall be holy, and strangers shall no longer pass through there…. And Egypt shall become desolate, and Edom shall be a desert waste, because of the violence done to the children of Judah, because they shed innocent blood in their land. But Judah shall remain forever, and Jerusalem throughout all generations.”

The Sanhedrin suggests that instead of considering the one-sided report, “you should establish an investigative committee agreed upon by the Jewish people and the Government of Israel, to investigate the background to the outbreak of Operation Cast Lead and the UN’s contribution to its outbreak, together with additional factors… This could be your  blessed initiative, accepting uopn yourself and your organization the original spirit that formed its basis: to establish peace in the world acting for the King of the universe.”

The Sanhedrin concludes by advising that the verse from the Prophet Isaiah – “Let them beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks and they shall not learn war anymore”-  that is engraved on the United Nations wall “will never be realized via the Goldstone Report and the traditional policy of the UN regarding the State of Israel. [Instead,] your welcome action [as advised above] is anxiously awaited by all mankind. You have the power to help contribute to the prevention of wars.”

The letter is signed by Rabbi Dov Stein, Secretary of the Sanhedrin, and Rabbi Prof. Hillel Weiss, spokesman.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134185

While God’s judgment (called “the day of the Lord” in scripture; see Can the Great Tribulation Begin in 2009, 2010, or 2011?) will come upon this world, linking Joel 4 to the debate is not something I would have done for three reasons.  They are that Joel only has 3 chapters, the above comes from chapter 3, and that I do not believe that the UN debate is really the subject of the passage.

The Sanhedrin is most known for its efforts to restore sacrifices and possibly rebuild the temple (see Temple In Jerusalem is Not Required For Sacrifices).

They are also mentioned in the following article:

Why is a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem Not Required? Although people like Timothy LaHaye  teach a third Jewish temple is required, who is ‘the temple of God” in the New Testament?  This new article goes over , in much more detail, the biblical reasons why a a third Jewish temple in Jerusalem is not necessary.

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