Archive for January, 2008

Big Sandy COG Announces Women’s Conference

Monday, January 14th, 2008

Joyce on Aeropagus Rock 

My Wife Has Co-Hosted Our Videogroup for Over 12 Years

The Connections section of The Journal announced:

BIG SANDY, Texas—The leaders of the East Texas Women’s Conference announced plans to hold their next Women’s Conference in Big Sandy March 14-16, 2008. The event will take place at the Church of God Big Sandy’s facilities…

This year’s conference is titled “A Christian Woman’s Journey II: Growing Along the Way.” We are focusing on developing the fruits of the Spirit as listed in Galatians 5:22. There will be formal seminars, roundtable discussions, a multiage panel discussing the book A Different Kind of Strength and interactive home studies. For key speakers we have Sharon Ledy, Paula Hughes, Carol Boyer and Nancy White. Barbara Payne will handle the emcee duties.

Women have played important roles in the New Testament, in the early church, and beyond.

Two articles of related interest may include:

Women and the New Testament Church Were women important in the New Testament Church? Which women and how were they involved?
Priscilla and Aquila An early Christian married couple from Rome who moved to Asia Minor. 

Do Catholic Prophecies Warn Against Jesus or Antichrist?

Monday, January 14th, 2008

Hildegard of Bingen

Drawing from the Liber Scivias showing Catholic Saint Hildegard receiving a “vision” and dictating to her scribe and secretary

COGwriter

Are you aware that Roman Catholic writers have made a variety of statements warning against one that they call the Antichrist that we in the Churches of God tend to teach is Jesus?

Specifically, certain Roman Catholic writings teach that Antichrist:

  1. Will keep and promote the seventh-day Sabbath
  2. Will teach against idols and an idol-related Mass
  3. Will teach that the Catholic religion is false
  4. Will renumber the Ten Commandments
  5. Will be Jewish
  6. Will “observe the Jewish rites” and practices
  7. Will have supporters who teach against the trinity
  8. Will preach the millennial gospel of the kingdom
  9. Will preach that there is a coming future opportunity for salvation
  10. Will win the “battle of Armageddon”.

Of course, Jesus kept the seventh-day Sabbath, taught against idols, taught that those who held to a religion based upon tradition over the Bible is false, taught all the ten commandments as the Church of God teaches them, was Jewish (John 4:9-10; Matthew 1:1-3; Luke 3:23-33), kept “Jewish practices” like Passover (Matthew 26:18) and the Feast of Tabernacles (John 7:2,10), has always had non-Trinitarian supporters, taught the millennial gospel of the kingdom, taught that there would be a future opportunity for salvation,and that the forces of evil gathered at Megiddo lose (Revelation 16:13-16; 19:17-21).

Certain Catholics also seem to teach the ones that those of us in the Living Church of God consider to be the two witnesses will be announcing Antichrist (e.g. Birch, p. 556) and that during the time we in the COGs call the Great Tribulation that there will be supernaturally fed people opposed to the Catholic Church dwelling in caves that will be “the advance guard of the son of perdition” (Hildegard of Bingen. Scivias. Paulist Press, Mahwah (NJ), p. 301).

Sadly, many Catholic prophecies and writings apparently are directed against those in the Living Church of God and against Jesus Christ.

Detailed quotes from Catholic writers and the Bible are included in the new article Do Catholic Prophecies About Antichrist Warn Against Jesus?

An article of related interest may also include Which Is Faithful: The Roman Catholic Church or the Church of God?

Nov-Dec 2007 Issue of “The Journal: News of the Churches of God” is Now Out

Sunday, January 13th, 2008

COGwriter

Early this afternoon, the latest edition of The Journal: News of the Churches of God came out.

It contains reports on the Norman Edward’s legal matter (some of which was covered at this page earlier, please see Norman Edwards Case Settled), a general religious conference attended by Dixon Cartwright and Ken Westby, letters from readers, UCG’s Texas move (some of which was covered at this page earlier, please see United Church of God Buys Texas Property, but The Journal has more on opposition to the move than I covered), some Feast reports, and some news items (including one similar to the following: ICG’s Mark Armstrong: David Pack and the Misuse of Herbert Armstrong’s Name).

One front page item was a conference called for “old-timers”, which seems to mainly be directed towards “independents” (though those associated with other groups appear welcome to attend.  Here is some from that article:

SAN DIEGO, Calif.—Al Carrozzo would like to see the fragmented groups, as he calls them, of the Churches of God descended from the Worldwide Church of God come together in some form or fashion, so he and Art Mokarow plan a “symposium” to talk about things in Dallas Jan. 30 through Feb. 2, 2008.

Mr. Carrozzo, of Escondido, Calif., and Mr. Mokarow, of Montgomery, Texas, are both former members, elders and employees of the Worldwide Church of God. “Many of you will remember me from my final position [in the WCG] as regional director over the churches and ministers in the western half of the United States,” Mr. Carrozzo wrote in a recent “open letter to ministers and members once associated with the Worldwide Church of God.

While I always liked Art Mokarow in the old WCG, his current doctrinal positions suggest, to me at least, that he may have left the COG (although he probably does not view it that way). 

The back page had something I had contributed to:

Mergers and rumors of mergers
ARROYO GRANDE, Calif.—Robert Thiel of www.cogwriter.com wants to lay to rest rumors of a merger between the Living Church of God, of which he is a member, and the United Church of God an International Association. “A general merger will not take place,” Dr. Thiel said. “The leaders of the Living Church of God have told me that they do not see any possibility of merging due to major differences in government and approaches to preaching the gospel.”

THE JOURNAL talked with a highly placed UCG source and heard the same thing: No merger of the UCG and LCG is in the offing.

The front and back pages can be accessed from the following pdf URL:

www.thejournal.org/issues/issue123/jf123107.pdf

Russian Orthodox and LCG on Homosexuality

Sunday, January 13th, 2008

         

This month, leaders from both the Russian Orthodox Church and the Living Church of God spoke out concerning homosexuality.

The following is from an interview by Spiegel with Metropolitan Kyrill (a metropolitan is type of high ranking bishop) who is also the foreign minister of the Russian Orthodox Church:

SPIEGEL: … but not everyone says: Thou shall not be gay. Why should people have to conceal their homosexuality?

Kyrill: The Bible calls it a sin. But we do not condemn these people. The church is opposed to these people being persecuted or offended. But why should sin be propagated? The gay parade is a blatant display of sodomy. In that case, we might as well promote other sins, as has long been the case on television. This degenerates public morality. It is the church’s job to call a sin a sin. Otherwise it no longer serves a purpose. Unfortunately, the tendency in today’s world is to champion the freedom of choice, while freedom from evil is virtually forgotten.

SPIEGEL: It’s human for a person to be homosexual. How can something that is human be a sin?

Kyrill: And what, in your opinion, is adultery — something good or something bad?

SPIEGEL: This decision lies within the conscience of every individual.

Kyrill: We aren’t talking about just any decision. We are talking about morals. They want us to believe that morality is relative. But that’s completely untrue. The communists said that good is what is good for the working class. That was relative morality — and 60 million people were exterminated. Hitler claimed that what is good is what is good for greater Germany. That too cost millions of lives. Morality is either absolute or it doesn’t exist at all. If you can justify homosexuality, why not pedophilia?

SPIEGEL: But that’s an enormous difference! Sexuality relates to adults who can decide for themselves. Pedophilia involves children being abused and has nothing to do with human freedom.

Kyrill: In a few years, they’ll tell you that 12-year-old girls used to be children, but that they are now much further developed. Twenty years ago, no one would have dreamed that Germany would pass a law one day that recognizes homosexual marriages. But now that too has been accepted. We are talking about preserving the principle. There is something we call a general moral nature.

SPIEGEL: And it depends on time and region. There are ethnic groups that allow polygamy, for instance.

Kyrill: Dostoyevsky wrote that God and the devil are fighting for control in the heart of man. Nowadays many pursue the logic that everything they want ought to be good and justified. We are too quick to treat emotions that ultimately harm us as natural needs. When moral foundations are shaken, we unleash our instincts. But released instincts belong in the animal world. What I am saying is something that the liberal SPIEGEL will never print: You undoubtedly think that this Metropolitan Kyrill is out of his mind and that what he is saying is complete nonsense.

SPIEGEL: We like to argue. But you can’t possibly characterize homosexuality as an animal instinct?

Kyrill: Instinct is not a term with negative connotations. Take hunger, thirst, the sex drive, for example. If God had not given us these instincts, man would not exist. The difference between men and animals is that men can control their drives.

(The Bible Calls it a Sin’. Spiegel. Interview was conducted by Martin Doerry, Christian Neef and Matthias Schepp in Moscow. January 10, 2008. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,527618,00.html)

Roderick C. Meredith, presiding evangelist of the Living Church of God wrote:

Are Homosexuals Really “Born That Way”?

Researchers’ public statements to the press are often grand and far-reaching. But when answering the scientific community, they speak much more cautiously. ‘Gay gene’ researcher Dean Hamer was asked by Scientific American if homosexuality was rooted solely in biology. He replied: ‘Absolutely not. From twin studies, we already know that half or more of the variability in sexual orientation is not inherited. Our studies try to pinpoint the genetic factors… not negate the psychosocial factors’” (“Is There a ‘Gay Gene’?”, National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, September 2004)…

Is Homosexual Behavior SIN?

     But is homosexual behavior an absolute sin against God and the way He created us? Of course it is! We just read that practicing homosexuals “will not inherit the Kingdom of God.” And in very plain language God describes the famous philosophers of Greece and Rome: “Professing to be wise, they became fools.… For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting” (Romans 1:22, 26–28)…

Here, it is important to point out, that Christians—having the potential of the Holy Spirit and God’s help—are not to execute judgment upon homosexuals or anyone else!…Rather, when we encounter individuals involved in sinful behaviors such as alcohol abuse, drug abuse or homosexuality, we should try to help them. We should pray for them, and we should reach out to them if they are interested in changing. And we should try to develop the understanding and the wisdom to help guide them out of the horrible problems in which they find themselves involved. Just as there are groups of sincere people who help alcoholics and drug abusers overcome their problems, there are therapists and support groups that devote themselves to helping homosexuals “come out” of that wretched lifestyle. We should encourage anyone who wants to “come out” of homosexuality to do so…

As for me, personally, I would say to all of you who have been involved in homosexuality: “God really does love you!” God is the Creator of every one of us. All human beings are made in His image. All are made with the potential to be full sons of God…

Certainly, part of “coming out” of homosexuality involves completely turning away from this entire practice and from being involved with those people who may “drag” you right back into it! Scripture tells us, “Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body” (1 Corinthians 6:18–20).
     Remember, you do not overcome smoking by “hanging around” others who smoke, by keeping cigarettes “handy” in case you wish to take a puff. You should not be making it “easy” to slip right back into your old habit. The same principle applies to homosexuality. (Meredith RC. The Plain Truth About Homosexuality! Tomorrows’ World, Magazine of the Living Church of God.  Jan-Feb 2008).

The Bible states that “sin is the transgression of the law” (1 John 3:4), that “all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23), and that we are not to “sin willfully” (Hebrews 10:26). 

The Bible also teaches that salvation will be offered to all.

The Bible is quite clear that homosexuals can be saved in this age (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) and those not called now will have a future opportunity for salvation (Matthew 11:24, see also Universal Salvation? There Are Hundreds of Verses in the Bible Supporting the Doctrine of True Apocatastasis).

Several articles of possibly related interest may include:

Some Similarities and Differences Between the Orthodox Church and the Churches of God Both groups have some amazing similarities and some major differences. Do you know what they are?
Hope of Salvation: How the COGs differ from most Protestants How the COGs differ from mainstream Protestants, is perhaps the question I am asked most by those without a COG background.
The Ten Commandments Reflect Love, Breaking them is Evil Some feel that the ten commandments are a burden. Is that what Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, and John taught?
Universal Salvation? There Are Hundreds of Verses in the Bible Supporting the Doctrine of True Apocatastasis Do you believe what the Bible actually teaches on this? Will all good things be restored? Does God’s plan of salvation take rebellion and spiritual blindness into account? Is there eternal torment?

Philadelphia Church of God Announces “Armstrong Auditorium”

Saturday, January 12th, 2008

 

Rendering of Armstrong Auditorium (Rees Associates) 

The Philadelphia Church of  God (PCG) announced:

Trumpet – Jan 10, 2008

With a golden shovel, Armstrong International Cultural Foundation Chairman Gerald Flurry officially broke ground on the foundation’s new performing arts center in an outdoor ceremony Sunday, January 6, in north Edmond, Oklahoma. The 800-seat concert hall, to be named Armstrong Auditorium, will house the foundation’s performing arts series and serve as a worship center for the Philadelphia Church of God’s headquarters congregation.

The Armstrong International Cultural Foundation is a non-profit, humanitarian organization sponsored by the Philadelphia Church of God, headquartered on the Herbert W. Armstrong College campus in north Edmond. The hall, which is expected to cost $15 million, will sit on the southern end of the college campus just north of Waterloo Road to the east of Bryant. Construction is expected to take 22 months, and the grand opening is scheduled for late 2009 or early 2010. http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=4674.2932.0.0
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Comments by COGWriter 

PCG has really changed its emphasis over the years as originally there were indications that it strongly thought the end would be in the 20th century.  Now its financial focus indicates that perhaps it believes the end is not all that near (even though its leader claimed that on June 4, 2005, that the “the last half of the last hour” began leading to the end).

PCG has probably spent more money trying to physically resemble the old Worldwide Church of God (WCG) than perhaps all other COGs put together.

But, its public statements of “loyalty” notwithstanding, it has changed so many of the doctrines that Herbert W. Armstrong showed the Bible taught that it is one of the biblically least faithful COG groups that had origins in WCG.

Two articles of related interest may include:

Teachings Unique to the Philadelphia Church of God Simply calling oneself ‘Philadelphia’ does not make one so (see Revelation 3:7-9), nor does Gerald Flurry calling himself “that prophet” make it so. This article provides many quotes from this group which claims to be faithful.

There are Many COGs: Why Support the Living Church of God?This is an article for those who wish to easily sort out the different COGs. It really should be a MUST READ for current and former WCG members or any interested in supporting the faithful church. It also explains a lot of what the COGs are all about.

United Church of God: Salvation to Be Offered to All

Friday, January 11th, 2008

Children's Choir in Victoria, B.C.

Salvation Will Be Offered to All Who Ever Lived

In its update yesterday, UCG taught:

How those who suffer will finally find peace

God’s plan includes a way to redeem all who have suffered and died in the past without understanding why they suffered. Billions of men, women and children have lived and died throughout history without knowing God or realizing His purpose. The majority of these never heard of Jesus during their lifetimes. They lived and died ignorant of why He came and with no comprehension of God’s plan.

The Bible reveals that, 1,000 years after Jesus returns, God will bring back to life all who ever lived but received little or no understanding of God’s purpose. He will resurrect them to a temporary physical life and give them a final opportunity to exercise their free will—but this time with an understanding of true spiritual knowledge in a world in which God’s way, not Satan’s, holds sway.

At that time they will have to choose, or knowingly reject, God’s way of life. Their choice will determine whether they will receive eternal life or perish in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15).

This will be their first opportunity for salvation, because they were previously alienated from God through the deception of the devil (2 Corinthians 4:3-4; 1 John 5:19; Revelation 12:9).

With Satan blinding them, they never comprehended God’s purpose. When God resurrects them into a world in which His truth will be freely available (Jeremiah 31:34; Isaiah 11:9), they will reflect on the immense suffering that sin caused down through history and can choose anew, this time with full understanding of the consequences of sin and the suffering it brings. Most will begin to make right choices and accept Christ as Savior—a path, if chosen, that will lead them to eternal life.

And that is correct.  And actually the teaching on the Hope of Salvation is a major way that the COGs differ from most Protestants.

Have you searched the scriptures to see if these things are so?  You may wish to read the article Universal Salvation? There Are Hundreds of Verses in the Bible Supporting the Doctrine of True Apocatastasis.

Legacy on the Work and the Lukewarm

Thursday, January 10th, 2008

Prince Mikasa and Herbert W. Armstrong

Herbert W. Armstrong with then Prince Mikasa of Japan

Legacy Institute’s latest newsletter arrived last night.  In it, Leon Sexton stated:

I remember well my WCG church experience…The Church of God 7th Day organization…we called the “Sardis Church” or the “Dead Church”…

Herbert W. Armstrong himself spent most of his later years traveling to the “Gentile” world preaching the Gospel message… 

The remnant of old wine skin exclusivism keeps us separated and our collective part in the Work of God is limited in effectiveness.

It is not the COG7th Day organization that is dead. It is us – or at the very least – we have become lukewarm.

We cannot leave the preaching of the Gospel up to Two Witnesses or a Millennial Work. The time to preach the Gospel to ALL the nations is right now! God has given us the Bible to educate us about God and His plan of salvation for all mankind. He has given us the financial and technological resources…

God’s role is to choose those He will call His own. Our job is to get the True Message of Salvation out there. The lost are not able to come to the Church if the Church is NOT taking the Gospel to THEM!

God’s fields are out there. They are ripe for the harvest.  
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Comments by COGwriter

Sadly, nearly all who were once part of the old Worldwide Church of God are not Philadelphian and do not have the correct focus on the work.  Hence lukewarmness is the condition of most who are part of the true Church of God in the 21st century.  And some still “have a name that they are alive but are dead” (Revelation 3:1).

However, it should be noted that by separating himself as he has, Leon Sexton also has promoted exclusivism (he also has a couple of unusual doctrines that seem exclusive to his group).

But the truth is that the work of the church is to get the true gospel of the kingdom out to the world as a witness –and Jesus said this would be done before the end comes (Matthew 24:14).

Several articles of related interest may include:

Should the Church Still Try to Place its Top Priority on Proclaiming the Gospel or Did Herbert W. Armstrong Change that Priority for the Work? Some say the Church should mainly feed the flock now as that is what Herbert W. Armstrong reportedly said. Is that what he said? Is that what the Bible says? What did Paul and Herbert W. Armstrong expect from evangelists?
Laodicean Warning for God’s People Is there really a place of safety? Do God’s people need to be warned? Warned for what?
5. The Sardis Church Era was predominant circa 1600 A.D. to circa 1933 A.D. Discusses early history of the Seventh Day Baptists, Seventh-day Adventists, and COG-7th Day.
6. The Philadelphia Church Era was predominant circa 1933 A.D. to 1986 A.D. The old Radio Church of God and old Worldwide Church of God, now LCG.
7. The Laodicean Church Era was predominant circa 1986 A.D. to present. Non-Philadelphians who mainly descended from the old WCG.
Teachings and Practices of Legacy Institute Works mainly in Asia and is led by Leon Sexton.
There are Many COGs: Why Support the Living Church of God? This is an article for those who wish to easily sort out the different COGs. It really should be a MUST READ for current and former WCG members or any interested in supporting the faithful church. It also explains a lot of what the COGs are all about.

Might Hillary Clinton Partially Fulfill Bible Prophecy?

Wednesday, January 9th, 2008

 

Hillary Rodham Clinton 

COGwriter

Last night, Hillary Clinton won the New Hampshire primary in her bid to become the Democratic Party candidate for president of the United States.  She is the first woman to have ever done that.

Ever since Margaret Thatcher was prime minister of the United Kingdom, I have felt that it is likely that the USA would end up with a female president.

In 2006 (News of The Churches of God) and 2007 (News of The Churches of God) I also commented about a possible Hillary Clinton presidency, and feel that it remains a strong possibility–though not a certainty.

Since those of us in groups like the Living Church of God do not vote in these elections, why am I mentioning the possibility of a woman president?

Because I believe that it will partially fulfill a prophecy in Isaiah 3:12:

As for My people, children are their oppressors, And women rule over them. O My people! Those who lead you cause you to err, And destroy the way of your paths…   

Of course, women are influential in the English-speaking nations and it is not absolutely required that the USA itself have a woman president, but I do feel that if we do get one, that this will be a partial, but significant, fulfillment of that prophecy.

Both biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies indicate the destruction of the English-speaking peoples and I would not be surprised if a major attack by the European Beast power will occur during a female presidency (though if Hillary Clinton is to be USA president beginning in 2009, I tend to believe that this would more likely be in her second term).

Several articles of possibly related interest may include:

Should a Christian Vote? This article gives some of the Biblical rationale on this subject.
Do Catholic Prophecies About Antichrist Warn Against Jesus? Will the final “Anti-Christ” be Jewish, insist on Saturday, be opposed to the trinity, and bring in the millennium? Catholic writings indicate this, but what does the Bible show?
Who is the King of the North? Is there one? Do biblical and Roman Catholic prophecies point to the same leader? Should he be followed? What is prophesied to occur to the USA and its English-speaking allies? Who will be the King of the North discussed in Daniel 11?

Orthodoxy or Heresy: Did the Early Church Resemble Mainstream Christianity?

Tuesday, January 8th, 2008

 

Island Called Patmos, Revelation 1:9 

The island called Patmos is where the last book of the Bible was written in the late first century (see Revelation 1:9).  What did the early church teach and practice in the second century? 

COGwriter 

This morning, Christianity Today was promoting an article from its Fall 2007 edition that stated: 

We are now in a period when it is not enough to know only about the Bible. The apologetics of the past is no longer adequate. Today’s questions involve not only how the Bible came to be, but even if there was originally such a thing as orthodoxy. It is a crucial question. Christians need to know a lot more about the second century. Roots matter, especially in the founding of a movement (Bock. D. Roots Matter: The Gnostic Hunger For Secret Knowledge. Christianity Today. Issue 96, Fall 2007, Vol. XXVII, No. 4, Page 42).

And while that is true, sadly Protestant scholars realize that the doctrines and practices of what now passes for mainstream “Christianity” simply have no historical evidence of existing in the second century.

Notice the following admissions from Protestant scholar HOJ Brown:

It is impossible to document what we now call orthodoxy in the first two centuries of Christianity (Brown HOJ. Heresies: Heresy and Orthodoxy in the History of the Church. Hendrickson Publishers, Peabody (MA), 1988, p. 5).

Simply put, many of the doctrines that now are considered to be heresy were held by the early church and many doctrines now considered to be mainstream were condemned as heresy by those associated with the early church.

Here is a listing of many such doctrines:

Baptism was by immersion and did not include infants.
A Binitarian view was held by the apostolic and post-apostolic true Christian leaders.
Birthdays were not celebrated by early Christians.
Born-Again meant being born at the resurrection, not at the time of conversion.
Celibacy for Bishops/Presbyters/Elders was not a requirement.
Christmas was not observed by any professing Christ prior to the third century, or ever by those holding to early teachings.
Duties of Elders/Pastors were pastoral and theological, not predominantly sacramental.
Easter was not observed by the apostolic church.
The Fall Holy Days were observed by true early Christians.
Holy Spirit was not referred to as God or as a person by any early true Christians.
Hymns were mainly psalms, not praises to Christ.
Idols were taught against, including the use of the cross.
Immortality of the soul or humans was not taught.
The Kingdom of God was preached.
Lent was not observed by the primitive church.
Military Service was not allowed for true early Christians.
Millenarianism (a literal thousand year reign of Christ on Earth, often called the millennium) was taught by the early Christians.
Monasticism was unheard of in the early Christian church.
Passover was kept on the 14th of Nisan by apostolic and second century Christians in Asia Minor.
The Resurrection of the dead was taught by all early Christians
The Sabbath was observed on Saturday by the apostolic and post-apostolic Church.
Salvation was believed to be offered to the chosen now by the early Church, with others being called later, though not all that taught that (or other doctrines) practiced “the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 3).
Sunday was not observed by the apostolic and true post-apostolic Christians.
The Ten Commandments were observed by the apostolic and true post-apostolic Christians–and in the order that the Living Church of God claims they are in.
Tradition had some impact on the second century Christians, but was never supposed to supercede the Bible.
The Trinity was not a word used to describe the Godhead by the apostolic or second century Christians.
Unclean Meats were eaten by the early allegorists, but not by true Christians.

The early true Church simply had many doctrines and practices that do not resememble todays’ “mainstream Christianity”.

Those interested in more information should consider visiting the History of Early Christianity page. 

Lest anyone feel that the Roman or Orthodox Catholics can tie their beliefs and continuity to the original church better than the Church of God can, if they are truly interested in learning the truth, they should read the following articles:

What Do Roman Catholic Scholars Actually Teach About Early Church History? Although most believe that the Roman Catholic Church history teaches an unbroken line of succession of bishops beginning with Peter, with stories about most of them, Roman Catholic scholars know the truth of this matter. This eye-opening article is a must-read for any who really wants to know what Roman Catholic history actually admits about the early church.
Location of the Early Church: Another Look at Ephesus, Smyrna, and Rome What actually happened to the primitive Church? And did the Bible tell about this in advance?
Apostolic Succession What really happened? Did structure and beliefs change? Are many of the widely-held current understandings of this even possible? Did you know that Catholic scholars really do not believe that several of the claimed “apostolic sees” of the Orthodox have apostolic succession–despite the fact that the current pontiff himself seems to wish to ignore this view?  Is there actually a true church that has ties to any of the apostles that is not part of the Catholic or Orthodox churches?  Read this article if you truly are interested in the truth on this matter!
Which Is Faithful: The Roman Catholic Church or the Church of God? Do you know that both groups shared a lot of the earliest teachings? Do you know which church changed? Do you know which group is most faithful to the teachings of the apostolic church? Which group best represents true Christianity? This documented article answers those questions.
Some Similarities and Differences Between the Orthodox Church and the Churches of God Both groups have some amazing similarities and some major differences. Do you know what they are?

Marcus: The Eucharistic Heretic?

Monday, January 7th, 2008

History of Early Christianity 

COGwriter 

Do you know anything about the heretic Marcus?

Marcus was a second century Gnostic heretic, who was apparently affiliated with the heretic Valentinus

The one book states:

Of Marcus himself we know nothing beyond the fact that he was one of the earlier pupils of Valentinus, or at any rate belonged to the earlier circle of Valentinian ideas. His date is vaguely placed somewhere about the middle of the second century; he is said to have taught in Asia Minor, and Jerome, two hundred years afterwards, states that he was an Egyptian (Mead, G.R.S. Fragments of a Faith Forgotten. Theosophical Publishing Society: London [1900] p. 359 http://www.sacred-texts.com/gno/fff/fff54.htm viewed 12/09/07).

It is possible that Marcus, who may have been an Egyptian (Valentinus was from Alexandria in Egypt), may also be the same Marcus that is listed in the apostolic succession lists of the Eastern Orthodox, but that is difficult to prove or disprove.  

While the Eastern Orthodox venerate the memory of a Marcus they claim was bishop of Alexandria from A.D. 144-154, Roman Catholics consider that there was a leading Gnostic heretic named Marcus in the second century (see Marcus in The Catholic Encyclopedia). 

The fact that Clement of Alexandria (a contemporary of Marcus) apparently used Marcus’ numbering system (see Marcus in The Catholic Encyclopedia), suggests, but does not prove, that this could be the same Marcus.

Interestingly, Marcus may have come up with a version of the  eucharistic ceremony similar to that which both the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox utilize today.

Notice what the Catholic saint Irenaeus wrote:

1. But there is another among these heretics, Marcus by name, who boasts himself as having improved upon his master. He is a perfect adept in magical impostures, and by this means drawing away a great number of men, and not a few women, he has induced them to join themselves to him, as to one who is possessed of the greatest knowledge and perfection, and who has received the highest power from the invisible and ineffable regions above. Thus it appears as if he really were the precursor of Antichrist. For, joining the buffooneries of Anaxilaus to the craftiness of the magi, as they are called, he is regarded by his senseless and cracked-brain followers as working miracles by these means.

2. Pretending to consecrate cups mixed with wine, and protracting to great length the word of invocation, he contrives to give them a purple and reddish colour, so that Charis, who is one of those that are superior to all things, should be thought to drop her own blood into that cup through means of his invocation, and that thus those who are present should be led to rejoice to taste of that cup, in order that, by so doing, the Charis, who is set forth by this magician, may also flow into them. Again, handing mixed cups to the women, he bids them consecrate these in his presence. When this has been done, he himself produces another cup of much larger size than that which the deluded woman has consecrated,) and pouting from the smaller one consecrated by the woman into that which has been brought forward by himself, he at the same time pronounces these words: “May that Chaffs who is before all things, and who transcends all knowledge and speech, fill thine inner man, and multiply in thee her own knowledge, by sowing the grain of mustard seed in thee as in good soil.” Repeating certain other like words, and thus goading on the wretched woman [to madness], he then appears a worker of wonders when the large cup is seen to have been filled out of the small one, so as even to overflow by what has been obtained from it. By accomplishing several other similar things, he has completely deceived many, and drawn them away after him.

3. It appears probable enough that this man possesses a demon as his familiar spirit, by means of whom he seems able to prophesy, and also enables as many as he counts worthy to be partakers of his Charis themselves to prophesy (Book 1, Chapter 13, Verses 1-3).

It is of interest to note that the Roman Catholics now claim that Mary is in the eucharist, and Marcus may have been the first to associate a woman with a similar ceremony.

The eucharist ceremony that the then emerging Greco-Roman confederation of churches began to practice around the beginning of the third century was very similar to practices associated with Mithraism and possibly Marcus, as Tertullian of Carthage noted:

By the devil, of course, to whom pertain those wiles which pervert the truth, and who, by the mystic rites of his idols, vies even with the essential portions of the sacraments of God…Mithra there, (in the kingdom of Satan,) sets his marks on the foreheads of his soldiers; celebrates also the oblation of bread, and introduces an image of a resurrection, and before a sword wreathes a crown…is it not clear to us that the devil imitated the well-known moroseness of the Jewish law? Since, therefore he has shown such emulation in his great aim of expressing, in the concerns of his idolatry, those very things of which consists the administration of Christ’s sacraments, it follows, of course, that the same being, possessing still the same genius, both set his heart upon, and succeeded in, adapting to his profane and rival creed the very documents of divine things and of the Christian saints—his interpretation from their interpretations, his words from their words, his parables from their parables (Tertullian. The Prescription against Heretics, Chapter 40. Translated by Peter Holmes, D.D., F.R.A.S.).

Thus, in North Africa it was acknowledged that sacramental practices that the Greco-Roman alliance were adopting were similar to those of Mithraism–which may have originally influenced Marcus.  And while Tertullian hints that the devil caused Mithra followers to have some similar practices that his church had, it is most likely that these practices had been adopted by some who professed Christ that were influenced by followers of Mithra.

Should “Christian-professing” religions utilize practices that heretics and pagans came up with?

Two articles of related interest may be:

The History of Early Christianity Are you aware that what most people believe is not what truly happened to the true Christian church? Do you know where the early church was based? Do you know what were the doctrines of the early church?
Why Be Concerned About False and Heretical Leaders? There have been many false leaders–here is some of why you should be concerned about them.